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Location: Rainy Lake | Anyone running a f150 yamaha on a 619 or 620? Any good? how fast? if so what set up, prop, jack plate etc... |
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| I think either of those boats would be way under powered with any 150 HP on it. |
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| Diddo what Shep said, not sure you would be very happy. Those Rangers are a heavy boat. |
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | if your trying to be conservitive a 619 with a 200 will be just fine... going down to a 619 and adding 50 hp will be a better move. i cant think of any glass boat over 19 that can run a 150 in a deep v.... is it a four stroke? is that what your trying to do? dont be afraid of the newer 2 strokes...there running cleaner than ever quiet, and the fuel milage is better than ever also.. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | The marina I was working for this past summer had a few 619's rigged with 150 Optis. I was a little leary about that myself, however, they said they ran the boat and the 150 was pushing it along low 50's. However, there was a major catch to that I'm sure. The boat was pretty bare. I'm sure that was basically an empty tank and unrigged. But to me, I would not buy a 619 with a 150 because your resell would be so bad. People would be very leary of owning a boat with such little hp compared to what it's rated for. I think a 175 on a 619 would be ok, however, like someone else stated, a 200 would be much better imo. |
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| With my 619 and 200 opti I run low to mid 50's. I don't think that would be possible with a 150. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | You didn't read what I wrote. They said they were getting that, and I also stated that was an unrigged boat. Meaning, no batteries, trolling motor, no nothing on it and probably a very empty gas tank. Just the motor, boat and a starting battery. They say they can get this doesn't mean it really can. It would also depend on conditions on the lake. There are a lot of variables to this. I'm just stating what I heard from the place I worked at. That's all.
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| Don't get your panties in a bunch Merc Kid. Why post what you heard instead of what you know? |
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Location: Rhinelander | Merckid worked for one of the largest Ranger dealers in the country last sumer. They were running a 619 light load with a buck and a half at 50mph. He said he wouldn't recommend it, and cautioned it was light load, not fully rigged. If I had asked the original question, I'd figure 40's heavy if the boat runs 50 light.
So, M, he offered some advice based on experience. |
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| I have an XR6 150 on my 690 DVS and run in the high 40's fully loaded, and sometimes touch 50 if the conditions are perfect. The 619s are a bit heavier. |
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Location: Rainy Lake | Thanks very much for the help guys I am running my F150 yamaha 4 stroke on a 1800 pro v. I get 49 loaded and 51 running light with a jack plate and a tempest plus prop. I was thinking of going to a glass boat and really like my yammie and wanted to know if a 619 or 620 would be close to what I am running now.
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Go with a 200 Yammie on that boat, you won't be disappointed! That's a lot of boat for a 150 4stroke. But like I mentioned before, you go to resell that boat, people WILL turn there heads away from that boat because in my opinion, it's too little hp for that boat. But yes, it can run with a 150. But if I were you, take a look at the new Mercury 175 Optimax Pro XS. That motor on that boat would be pretty awesome on a 619. Not to mention, your cost for more hp and going to a 2stroke would come out to be about the same with a 150 4stroke, and better fuel economy! But good luck on your choice. |
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | as merc kid stated agian,,,, the 4 strokes are nice,, but performance and bang for the buck buy the 200 two stroke,,, there so nice,, the buggs are now out of all the major brands, opties are workin great, the bombi stuff smooth as silk and lotsa low end,,, and yamaha builds a great motor , what can we say,,, your looking at 13 gallons per hour as long as you keep your rpms in check , average ruff and tumble to glass water,,,, you need your low rpm power or it will cost you a ton at the pump no matter what motor you have on... rather than skimp buy a boat that is a year old,,,, get into your budget ,,, find one that was well taken care of ,, and odds are it was set up by somone who rigged it with for more extravagant electronics and gear than i would realy need. bonus cool stuff is great and you will use it if its on the boat ,, also a boat used a year has the buggs out... you can go over the boat and tighten this and that ,, a new one will have its share of buggs.. it shouldnt but even the best built riggs loosin up a bit... good luck ,, wish i was looking at new ones.. go find one that gets your heart pounding,,, you will know her when you see it.. |
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| If you really want the hot setup go with the 225HO Evinrude E-tech. The ole 619 will be like a rocket with this motor. This has been an unsolicited commercial.
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Nah, put a Mercury 225 Pro XS Optimax and that will blow a 225 HO out of the water! Or a 250 XS on a 620 and you will blow by anyone! |
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| Merckid,
be careful grasshopper, juss when you sink you hare is winning race the so called turtle will be eating hare for lunch.
Know facts before stating fiction, this is one such case to walk softly less ye become cannon fodder
Remember- man who have gas in church sit in own pew
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | ok, whatever that might mean. I would love to see a HO beat a XS. Then I would love to see any motor challenge a 250 XS, there is nothing out there that could come close right now. And if so, put the racing lower unit on it, then they will for sure have no chance. |
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| For one the 225HO will outrun the 225XS hands down. XS stands for extra suck as in extra fuel consumption. Pull your head out of the sand and get a rude dude. |
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | will you guys stop already!!!!!!!! everyone knows its not what you have on the back of your boat its that you pull it with a GMC TRUCK ,,,, lol and clip your lawn with a JOHN DEER<<<, and use a ST>CROX rod and OFFSHORE boards, and a BECKMAN NET, and a harlydavidson motorcyle , and a set of mazuno's in your golf bag with a taylor made driver.. |
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Location: Rhinelander | So far the testing has refuted what you are saying, RUDE.
Read it and weep.
http://www.wareham-boatyard-marina.com/rude-awakening.html |
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| Typical response from a wiconsinite......... |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Rude,
Check this article out. This is an independent study here. This will prove to you that a 225 XS is TOP DOG now! A Rude's got nothing on a XS. hehe
http://www.bwbmag.com/output.cfm?id=1059733
MERCURY: TOP-END AND ECONOMY CHAMP
While the controversies raged, we had a shootout to pull off. We took to the water with the Mercury powered Bullet first, and while Quinlan recorded the results, Cox drove like a madman to obtain the best possible numbers. I drove each hull and recorded my driving impressions, noting how each engine felt, drove, accelerated, and handled at all speeds. Conditions during our testing ranged from 73 to 79 degrees Fahrenheit, with humidity right at 69 percent. Winds ranged from flat dead calm to approximately 5 mph. Water conditions were flat glass to a slight ripple, with occasional boat wakes thrown in.
MERC WON THE TOP SPEED CONTEST BY A WIDE MARGIN, posting a clean 90.0 mph on our Stalker radar and Garmin GPS units at a within-spec 5930 rpm as recorded on our OMC Digital ShopTach inductive-pickup handheld tachometer. After a week of testing, Coty and Litjens had settled on a 14-1/2 x 28-inch Hydromotive four-blade Quad IV OT for this application. It worked: Not only did the Merc best the others by a minimum of 5.1 mph at the top end, it also won honors for best fuel economy by recording an incredible 6.2 gallons per hour at a best-cruise speed of 34.3 mph @ 2500 rpm. Averaging the entire fuel economy results, Merc won overall in this category too, with an average 4.6 miles per gallon.
IN THIS TEST, THE FASTEST WAS ALSO THE STINGIEST — that’s great news for those on a fuel budget who want to rule the river. In acceleration testing, the combination of its steep 1.62:1 gearing and tall 28-inch-pitch propeller served to hurt the big Merc’s punch quotient slightly, as it posted 0-30 mph times of 8.1 seconds and 40-60 times of 5.6 seconds — good for third and second places, respectively.
Handling-wise, the brutish Mercury was the best of the three, no contest. Its solid mounts and proven Sport Master lower unit combined to give a very authoritative, grounded feel at all speeds, especially when accelerating and at top-end speed. At idle speeds, the Mercury was the loudest of the three engines, as it exhibited the typical OptiMax sound, sort of a hollow note accompanied by a slightly muted “clicking”. Some have likened it to a sewing machine-like sound, as it lumbered along at 1000 rpm. As we climbed out of the hole and onto plane, the centersection’s open exhaust allowed the engine to breathe, and breathe it did. It was plenty loud in the Bullet’s cockpit, prohibiting conversation at any level except yelling. Midrange torque and top speed pull were there in abundance, with no lack of lift and drive at any speed. Overall, the 225 Pro XS is all Merc, with plenty of Merc Racing snarl and growl to befit its heritage.
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Now for the punch line Mr. Rude.
AND THE WINNER IS…
WHERE THE PROP MEETS THE WATER, MERCURY WON THIS CONTEST HANDS-DOWN. You’ve got to hand it to the men in black; this engine didn’t exist a year ago, and when they first conceived it, they had no intentions of running it at 90 mph on a lightweight rig like our Bullet. It goes to show you how quickly a company can react and adapt when they want to. Kudos to Mercury; they deserve this win.
Yamaha and Evinrude both produced excellent outboards that showcase how good DFI technology has become, yet they have a little work to do before they can pull alongside and pass the Mercury team. I’d love to revisit this same shootout a year from now to see if either company can knock Team Black from its perch. Anyone care for a rematch?
Remember, this is from Bass and Walleye Magazine. These are tests they ran, not Mercury, Evinrude, or Yamaha, but Bass and Walleye Magazine. There isn't much more to say. I may be a college kid, but I know my stuff, but particularly my Mercury motors. hehe. I'm just havin fun here. This is something I take A LOT of interest in.
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Location: Rhinelander | Wouldn't matter if I was from Utah, the Merc has tested to be faster, better fuel economy, and all the rest by Bass and Walleye Boats testing and more. That doesn't mean the Evinrude isn't a great motor, it most certainly is. |
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| from a non-bias point of view.. which company has a better warranty? |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Both motors come with a 3 year non-declining warranty. However, Mercury offers a 2 year extended warranty that goes to April 15, 2008 this year. They have been doing this for the past few years. So, which one has a better warranty in a non-bias point of view. I would have to say Mercury. However, if you miss the early buy, then you would get the standard 3 year warranty. Making either motor equal in the way of warranties. |
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| The E-tec has been offered with a spring special on their warrenty for a total of 7 years. |
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| Both have good warranties. It depends on marketing gimmicks each year, some companies offer longer warranty to induce the buy. Straight pricing, which is more expensive? By how much? |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Ok, well I guess the E-Tec then would have the better warranty with the special deal. |
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| What was that Merc kid did you say the E-tec is a better motor? 
I was thinking that if you are from wisconson merc should give you die hards an extra 10% off on those black motors just for the never say die support you give them.  |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | LOL. I am a very die hard Merc fan! There won't be anything but a Merc on any transom I own. But to answer your question, from what it sounds like, the E-tec has a pretty good warranty plan, maybe cause there in need of a good one right now. hehe. Kinda like Merc didn't offer about seven years ago. Oh well, the Opti's are performing better than ever now and blowing by everyone else. Black all the way! |
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| Perhaps there is a draw..
Evinrude definatly had there problems with the FICHT. Merc definatly had there problems with the OPTIMAX's
One thing i look at when trying to decide who makes a better motor is warranty. and price difference. I bieleve evinrude takes the cake in both those catagories..
Ive always noticed mercs are noticably cheaper..
perhaps thats because they have more over seas parts or what not.. or sell more so they can lower the cost:profit ratio.. i dont know....
i lean towards evinrudes, but you will find me with what ever deal i can get on the back of my transom.. im not going out of my way to make sure ill be running an merc or rude.. I call a draw.............
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'What was that Merc kid did you say the E-tec is a better motor? '
Where did he say that?
Both good motors. Both good companies. And that's enough about folks from Wisconsin, Rude, Evinrudes are made in Wisconsin too. Yep, right here in Wisconny in a shiny new cool factory.
And as far as price, suggested retail on an Evinrude, according to rumor, is coming down alittle this year. We'll see if that's a fact or just another rumor. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Now come on guys, me admitting that an E-tec is better? LOL. Not in this world. LOL Jayman stated that an E-tec with the special offer you can get up to a 7 year warranty. So, if that is correct, that would give Evinrude the edge on warranties offered. That's all I'm saying. Still Merc ALL the way baby! |
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| Jayman....you seem to know all about that e-tec warranty? |
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| What are you getting at, Repair man? My Mercury motor on my duck boat let me down opening day. It's the first time I've had to be towed in.
If I had to go by reliability alone, It would be Yammy all the way. |
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| But then you'd have to begin earlier, and finish later to get the same amount of fishing time in.
Rude is kinda quiet since he was told Evinrudes are built in WISCONSIN! |
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | ok things are cooling down now... looks like as long as it is big and fast it will be just fine..... now can i get some performance test results on kickers so when my big motor takes a crap i can still get back to the weigh in in time... lol should i go with the 15 hp or can the pro-kicker compete.. what kind of top speeds will i be able to reach ? come on boys i will need to get this rig back on the trailer and to the dealer fast so what do i put on for a kicker? |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | I would definitely go with the Mercury 9.9 Pro Kicker. The Pro Kicker has a lower gear ratio at 2.42:1, which allows maximum thrust, but deliver slow trolling speeds. So pushing a big rig around it will be easier for the Pro Kicker than a regular 15. You will not gain much speed, or really any with a 15. Or I should say not enough in my opinion to go to a 15. The Pro Kicker also comes with power/tilt in trim. But hands down the Pro Kicker all the way, it's definitely leading the kicker engine industry! Hopefully you won't break down to have to worry about using your kicker to get back in but you never know. That's why there good to have.
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| "But hands down the Pro Kicker all the way, it's definitely leading the kicker engine industry!"
I will agree that the Pro kicker is a very nice kicker engine, But leading the way? I think they just finally caught up with Yammy's T8.
I'm just curious, how much do you get paid to make those statements? |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Absolutely nothing! I know they caught up to the T8. That was the kicker to have before, not anymore! Jayman, I like having fun with this. I'm very pro Mercury and have been since I was a little kid watching all the pros on TV racing around with those big black motors. I'm just a very die hard Mercury guy. hehe |
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Location: Rainy Lake | Guys
Thanks for the input went a little farther than expected. We all have our brands. Where I live here in northern ontario the yamaha seems to be the norm. I have friends with new mercs that love the mileage on the XS but earplugs are still needed. Unfortunely the rudes don't like the water all my buds that have them have blown them up 2 of them were less than a year old. Yeah some mercs blew up also. More electrical problems though. Yamaha HPDI won't last 5 miles if not broken in properly.
In canada the rude parts are real expensive, not sure why? so with that said thanks again and every brand for himself. Take care |
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | guys guys! i was just kidding about the kicker motor thing... its interesting how far your willing to go with this pisssssssing match... lol,,, its all good into though... currently i am running the old traditional 9.9 merc 4 stroke with with a panther power lift,,,a good strap and a tr-1 throttle controle... electric start and front controles... its been good to me ... bit i will someday need something diferent and when i do its good to stay up on this new high tech stuff.. Merc Kid ,,, with the way you promote black, i would think you should get what ever you want for free from merc,,,, and if there was a boat builder that needs a good rep ,,, i would recomend the merc kid ,,, he could sell a bayliner to a walleyefisherman... |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Bradley894, I wish I could get whatever I wanted from Mercury! As much as I push there product, and use there product, you would think I could manage something. But nope, just one die hard Merc head. Oh, and be careful what you say, I may have already sold a bayliner to a walleye fisherman, hehe. I've been told I could do that from a few different people. |
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Location: Elgin, Illinois | Well... this last season at the Lake Pepin FLW Tour event ... As a Co-Angler I fished out of three identical hulls with theree different motors... All Rangers, a 225 E-Tec HO run by an Evinrude sponsored Pro... One that was a F-250 Yamaha... And, a 250XS Merc... Now because of the flight circumstances... all three boats were leaving the marina at the same time just seconds apart... The winner of that drag race was the 225 E-Tec, every day, even the day I was riding in it... Now, not by much, but it was clear that the E-Tec ws the fastest. And, I am sure that the "fcats" given me by the XS owner were true... he had spent quite a bit getting the max out of his motor... The "particular" Yamaha F-250 was stock it was truly amazing... The owner admitted that it was truly a "one of a kind" because even he knew of no other F-250 that ran as well as his... I looked at GPS on the E-Tec rigged boat and occassionally saw 60+...
Couldn't g uarantee that the factors and results would be repeatable and obviously a WHOLE LOT depended on the setup, some luck, and the driver... But, given that all there were factory supported Pros and that all three was very experienced and impressive boat drivers... it was at least interesting. |
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| Remember- man who have gas in church sit in own pew
I like that one!!!!!!
PS- I wouldn't do a 150 on a 619. The F-150 will only push a 1850 Reata about 46mph around here. And the 619 is a lot more boat than an 1850 Reata 
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