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| Big discussion over on MuskieFirst about the interpretation of the no motor trolling/Position Fishing regulation on most lakes north of Hwy 10. There is a poll on a suggested new proposal. Here is what is being put out there.
Legalize motor trolling on WI inland lakes currently closed to trolling under the following two conditions:
1)On lakes less than 500 acres, only electric motor trolling is allowed. (275 pound or .5hp max trust)
2)No more than 4 lines per boat are allowed to be trolled.
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| To me, the biggest issue with this is the 4 lines per boat. If it was just allow trolling with the 500 acre and below restriction, I would vote yes. Leave the 4 lines part, and I vote no. |
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Location: Rhinelander | I bet the proposal, if one surfaces in the CC for consideration in '09, will be one line. That I would not vote for because it's not in the spirit of what most were looking for allowing movement of the boat while using live bait. |
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| What is it the muskie guys are wanting? Do they just want to be able to drag suckers? With 4 lines?
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| We want to be able to fish suckers while casting, without having to worry about which Warden we encounter. It's the stupid "No motor Trolling law" and the Position Fishing/verticle line portion, that can be interpreted multiple ways.
So now, we are looking at opening up trolling as a way to get this resolved. Too many "What If" the sky is falling, not on MY lake, OK but limit the number of lines, limit the size of the lake, size of the motor, you're going to hurt the resource, ruin the esthetics, create 3000' wide planer board spreads, disturb my peace, types out there.
I'm advising this will not get passed, if it ever get presented, unless they keep it simple. Such as: Just allow trolling. Or allow trolling, but only electric on lakes smaller than 500 Acres. Start to limit the number of lines, and you'll not get the support of the rest of the angler in the state. |
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| I want to make my suggested language clear: Legalize motor trolling on WI inland lakes currently closed to trolling under the following two conditions:… There is no intention to mess with WI Lakes where trolling is currently allowed, especially the great lakes including Winnebago. My number one goal is to try and fix the position fishing mess, from my research the intent of that law was to allow the fishing lindy type rigs around structure, casting while dragging suckers and bobbers around schools of pan fish. In my opinion electric only trolling would clearly allow that. This was an attempt at compromise when they outlawed backtrolling on the same group of lakes I am trying to address with this language. I am very interested in the opinions of the people who mostly fish walleye, is it even needed. I know there are many times I would love to be able to drag lindy rigs across my favorite table tops, or even cranks over the flats. It would open up a lot of water that is currently tough to fish without trolling. Thanks Mike
Edited by MRoberts 11/7/2007 10:45 PM
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| I'm sure the bass guys had no intent either when they start messing with tourny's!.Look at it out now(more rules and more money given to the state. Once you get the politicians involved and/ or give the dnr a reason to change rules it never end up where the true intentions were! So becarefull for what your asking for!!!!!!!! |
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| Mike,
The intent is right on regarding dragging suckers but how does it get worded?
I would support a one line per angler trolling rule. with the following exception:
I am aginst trolling in ANY river system such as Winnebago, Mississippi, Wisconsin the Fox and others where congestion is an issue.
MN has one line correct and they allow trolling. They seem to have some nice fish on Mille Lacs now don't they? LVD, Butte and some of our other big bodies of water could get pounded pretty hard if they trolling multiple lines were allowed.
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| Mike, the problem with limiting lines only on those lakes currently closed to trolling, is they won't word it that way. We'll end up with line limitations everywhere. I won't support that. Don't try to comprimise, as I said earlier. Let the trolling proposal stand on it's own with the 500 acre, electric only restriction.
Tyee, show me one piece of SCIENTIFIC data that shows the reason they have such a good fishery on Mille Lacs is because they allow one line per angler. I dare you. I didn't think so.
I can understand the congestion on the Wolf north of Poygan, but all river systems? Not a realistic statement or goal. Never going to happen on the border rivers, for sure. The intent is to open more waters to trolling, not close more. Butte already allows trolling, with multiple lines and I don't see it getting pounded hard.
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Location: Laona, Wisconsin | What about us guys that do not fish musky. Why not allow us to troll on any size lake that does not have a musky population no matter what the size. Why limit us to just under 500 acres. There are some very good lakes that are over 500 acres that have good populations of walleye and no muskies in them.
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| Shep, I never said the REASON they have a good fishery in MN was because of only one line, (hence no scientific data cited) although my opinion is that it does play a part in their overall management philosophy over there.
As for the rivers and boundry waters, it is my opinion (as Mike was so kindly asking for) that trolling should not be allowed because of congestion, be it the Fox Depere or Omro the Mississipi, Wisconsin or the Wolf including bago! Last thing I want to see is handliners at Guths or Gills, It's bad enough in Winneconnie already!
Good Luck
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | one line per person is the reason fishing is good in MN. is because they can only use one line? are you kidding me shep .. come on.... i think it more reasonable and though we stay unscientific to just devide the noumber of angler population fishing in minisota by the amount of acrage of water... vs. wisonsin ... seem to me the average angler in minisota has a bit more water to cover.. and therefore most lakes see very little to no pressure... as far as baggo... cant wait to go out on a lake 30 miles long and 10 miles wide and run 1 plainer board... that will make the fishing better... lol so now i will bring my two kids and wife and i can run 4 lines.... oh but instead of bringing home my 5 walleyes by going out alone .. ill be able to bring home 20 fish... 4 limmits... sweet... winter will be fun too only will need one tip up... just sit there and look at it... all day long... hmm... maybe ill move it over there hmmm... ok still nothing... at least i wont need to throw away my 2 dozen minows at the end of the day(vhs) i only need like 6 minnows if that . oh wait there is a guy over there that just got a flag;;;; gotta go... stop giving the wisconsin dnr idias for gods sake ,,, same with the lakes up north ... we wanna troll on small lakes ,,, too fricken bad..start paddeling your boat.. leave it alone or there gonna pass a new law that will screw the rest of the state up,,, OR WORSE!!!!!!!! you will be allowed to troll , but you will need to buy a permit.. for the month . for every one in the boat... dont worry they will let you do it at 20 dollars a permit... again stop giving them idias... oh i think the bass guys should be allowed to cull ,,, lets do a servey ,,, oh catch and realease kills fish left in a holding fence in warm shallow water if you leave them in there long enough... hmmm guess we will have to charge all tournament anglers a permit fee.. thanks for the idia culling study guys.... oh by the way ... no culling for you.. but we look forward to the extra revinue generated from your idia... even though we wont use the millions raised for anything even close to stocking were gonna build a new bike trial with the money ,from nowhere to whoknows where.... thanks though. oh and if you want to ride your bike on the trail there will be a fee and permit system set up for trail maintanance and another permit to purchase being looked at in the next budget... walking is still free though... for now. |
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | please dont press this issue to the state... there is nothing good that comes out of the rulings they hand out... |
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | musky the fish of a thousand casts ... wiat now the fish of a thousand lapps around your 500 acre lake.. a a musky tourny will look like a Neck Car race.. 100 boats going around a 500 acre track... |
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| I say ban all fishing from a moving boat. Absolutely NO lines in the water unless you are anchored:) |
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | I say ban all anchors and their accessories!!!!
I've been confused about this issue since it came up during the PWT on Winneconne in 2004........position fishing vs. trolling. Too much interpertation. Whatever they come up with needs to be cut and dried. |
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| "MN has one line correct and they allow trolling. They seem to have some nice fish on Mille Lacs now don't they?"
Tyee,
You didn't outright say it, but boy, it sure looks like that is what you are implying.
"As for the rivers and boundry waters, it is my opinion (as Mike was so kindly asking for) that trolling should not be allowed because of congestion, be it the Fox Depere or Omro the Mississipi, Wisconsin or the Wolf including bago! Last thing I want to see is handliners at Guths or Gills, It's bad enough in Winneconnie already!"
You want to ban trolling on the Bago system, including Bago? Now I know you have lost it. Bago congested? Winneconne is but a tiny spec on the whole system, isn't that bad, and I never see that many people trolling it. Pulling flies, sure, but they hardly get in anyone's way. I agree with you on the Wolf. You want to ban trolling on the Pete? The Miss? Not going to happen, I hope.
Again, this poll is out there to resolve the terrible position fishing regulation on lakes closed to trolling. The problem is there will be no way to word it for those lakes currently closed to trolling. So the best would be to go for a reg allowing trolling statewide. Maybe add the 500 acre or below electric only. Leave the line limitation out. This could stand a chance. Try to compromise to appease one group, and you'll get oppostion for several other groups. Let it stand on it's own merits.
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| We won't be so easy to beat if we all learn how to jig Rich.... hahaha
Well said Jerry. Only thing I'd like to add is I hope they can clear up the trolling/position fishing mess without taking anything away from us. |
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Location: Oshkosh, Wisconsin | And not that it matters, but isn't Mille Lacs in terrible shape? Last I heard (which was some time ago and without a lot of interest on my part) Mille Lacs was suffering through a forage crash. |
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| This is what I mean about trying to compromise to appease on group. Mille Lacs is producing some great Muskies right now. But the walleye resource is in big trouble. The muskies guys don't care, at least not like the eye guys do.
Brad hit it. Careful what you wish for. Get what you can, but hope it doesn't take away from the rest of us. |
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| RIch S - 11/9/2007 5:06 AM
I say ban all fishing from a moving boat. Absolutely NO lines in the water unless you are anchored:)
AND you have to be using at least one Drop-N-Stay! |
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Location: Berlin | Well, I normally don't post any serious comments to a thread like this. I am not a very smart guy and don't have a clue whatsoever about politics. I have spent some time on the water and have been on most of the areas talked about in this thread.
I have read the reg and think it is very unclear. Part of me thinks this might be done on purpose to put it into the hands of the particular warden since every situation is different. I know what the intention of the reg is and I abide by it.
This will probably never be a black and white issue no matter how it is written, there are just to many techniques to define. I think that nothing but bad things will come of this. Sometimes we just have to sit back and enjoy the way things are. |
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | yup leave it alone... every time we try to get the dnr to draw a line.. something simple for us to understand , they will and when they do it will be set in stone ... the problem is the stone will most likely hit you in the head an make you say... did i miss something... why the heck would they not allow us to troll here? or why are we only allowd to run one line here? you go in looking for being allowed to troll one line per person on a small lake for muskys .. they revew the whole think look at minisoata and say , ok NEW LAW you asked for it.. yes you can troll on a 500 acre lake with 1 line... in fact 1 line on all lakes .. one slip bobber one tip up , one plainer boart.(PLEASE NOTIFY THE OFFSHORE BOARD SUPPORT GROUP) AS THEY WILL HAVE TO SEND MOST OF THERE LITTLE SOLDERS BACK TO SCHOOL FOR RE-EDUCATON AS THEY WILL HAVE TO FIND A NEW JOB ! POOR LITTLE SOLDIERS. OH AND WHEN YOUR OUT WITH YOUR DAUGHTER PERCH FISHING ON BAGO, REMEMBER 1 ROD OVER THE SIDE OF THE BOAT.. oh and in the small print it will say ,, anyone caught by the game warden possessing more rods in the boat than fisherman will be fined... one rod / person can mean 1 rod per person on his person if worded that way.. be carful .. never know what you end up with ... i still say leave it alone.. you can troll on a small lake ... grab the row boat... i think you will injoy the day just the same... |
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| to me a muskie is a useless fish.here in northern wisc on some of our good walleye lakes the muskies are eating up all our walleyes and game fish. if i catch a muskie i will kill it and leave it for the eagles! |
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| Guys you have to remember this is wisconsin not minnesota. Where how many you have in your freezer makes the difference. not the quality of fish. It's always been quanjity in wiscosin. just look how the fisherys are managed for quanity. don't tell me any differnt. example. Pettenwell fished out!!! I was thre when you caughtnice keeper sized fish then all of a sudden Gillispie and in a few years nothing but 13 and 14 inch fish. Now don't tell me it's all conservaiton!!!!! I know many a guy that way over there limit in the freezer. Yeah turn them in and get myself shot..... |
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| Guys you have to remember this is wisconsin not minnesota. Where how many you have in your freezer makes the difference. not the quality of fish. It's always been quanjity in wiscosin. just look how the fisherys are managed for quanity. don't tell me any differnt. example. Pettenwell fished out!!! I was thre when you caughtnice keeper sized fish then all of a sudden Gillispie and in a few years nothing but 13 and 14 inch fish. Now don't tell me it's all conservaiton!!!!! I know many a guy that way over there limit in the freezer. Yeah turn them in and get myself shot..... |
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Location: Rhinelander | steveb,
That's not only total bull (muskies do not diminish walleye populations in any significant number, fishermen do) it's also illegal. I see you killing a game fish and throwing it to the Eagles the Tip Line will be ringing and you and I will be having a conversation.
There have been multiple studies done on Muskie feeding habits and forage. Walleyes are so incidental they are not even on the radar. Any walleye or other game fish population problems need to be blamed on something else, because the Muskie population is NOT the problem.
Bass, in fact, are very tough on a Muskie population. Why? because the Bass eat the young Muskies. Pike too, same deal.
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