Aqua-Vu Under Water Mystery #2
Doc Samson
Posted 3/20/2008 7:53 AM (#67286)
Subject: Aqua-Vu Under Water Mystery #2



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Guess the mystery and win an Aqua-Vu.



Aqua-Vu asked me to post an unidentified object using my sonar recordings and then identified with my Aqua-Vu. I am involved because I collected the data for my next DVD and to make it educational. I will try to make it fun, educational, and as fair as I can. Sonar is very difficult to interpret but is the most important fish finding tool we have. I use sonar for my career and I still learn more every year. One goal of this session is to help you understand sonar so you can catch more fish.

The screen capture is done using the SonarViewer which re-plays sonar charts that I record with my Lowrance. Most Lowrance models have this feature. I record them to a blank card and open them on my computer with the SonarViewer. This is the same process as moving photos from a digital camera to the computer.

Clue #1
The arrows are pointing at bumps. Identify them to win. No pornography guesses allowed. I will give more clues and more photos later if needed.



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Spring Fever
Posted 3/20/2008 8:10 AM (#67287 - in reply to #67286)
Subject: RE: Under Water Mystery #2


A spot on devils lake that was very nice to you??
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thumper
Posted 3/20/2008 8:50 AM (#67289 - in reply to #67286)
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Fallen timber at the top and towards the bottom of the drop off?

Dave S
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VMS Steve
Posted 3/20/2008 8:54 AM (#67290 - in reply to #67287)
Subject: RE: Under Water Mystery #2


I would say mayfly nests

Steve (VMS from Muskie First)
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Jayman
Posted 3/20/2008 9:05 AM (#67291 - in reply to #67290)
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My guess is an old fence row at the top of the hump and brush at the bottom.
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Sham
Posted 3/20/2008 9:32 AM (#67293 - in reply to #67286)
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Is it the top of rocks sticking out
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stick bait
Posted 3/20/2008 9:40 AM (#67294 - in reply to #67286)
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An old roadbed with a ditch that contains grass or brush
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Will Schultz
Posted 3/20/2008 9:51 AM (#67296 - in reply to #67286)
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A bridge foundation/footings at the top and in a creek channel.
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Brad B
Posted 3/20/2008 9:59 AM (#67297 - in reply to #67286)
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Most of my best guesses were already taken, so I'll go with a large fish laying on the bottom.
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Wisconsin Wade
Posted 3/20/2008 10:31 AM (#67300 - in reply to #67286)
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I will say that the top hump is part of a crib that was placed on a breakline, as the crib broke up over time, remnants of it slid down the break and gathered creating the second hump.
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mrmodog
Posted 3/20/2008 10:56 AM (#67302 - in reply to #67286)
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Tipped over Christmas trees
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WalleyeGuy
Posted 3/20/2008 11:00 AM (#67303 - in reply to #67286)
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Baitfish.

Steve
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BOXMAN
Posted 3/20/2008 11:00 AM (#67304 - in reply to #67286)
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Mini Sand Bars created by current.
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stacker
Posted 3/20/2008 11:05 AM (#67305 - in reply to #67304)
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Stumps of tree's, partially silted over
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tacklebooty
Posted 3/20/2008 11:07 AM (#67306 - in reply to #67286)
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Turtles. Love those turtles.

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butch
Posted 3/20/2008 11:28 AM (#67308 - in reply to #67306)
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looks to be fish laying on the bottom.
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Tom22
Posted 3/20/2008 11:28 AM (#67309 - in reply to #67286)
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Tires
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Lundbob
Posted 3/20/2008 11:50 AM (#67310 - in reply to #67286)
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Garbage that someone threw overboard. Possibly televisions.
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RedNeckTech
Posted 3/20/2008 12:06 PM (#67312 - in reply to #67286)
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A couple of deer that didn't make the swim
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Larrys
Posted 3/20/2008 12:23 PM (#67314 - in reply to #67286)
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walleyes
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jerkin
Posted 3/20/2008 1:13 PM (#67322 - in reply to #67286)
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I'm thinking what's left of someones channel markers like cement blocks or coffee cans filled with concrete.
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Skeeter
Posted 3/20/2008 2:09 PM (#67326 - in reply to #67322)
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Location: Midland, MI 48642
Clumps of mud with being fish
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EA
Posted 3/20/2008 2:50 PM (#67327 - in reply to #67286)
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that's what happens to guys who bring 3 monster lakewoods on a one day guide trip
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Even the Losers
Posted 3/20/2008 4:32 PM (#67335 - in reply to #67327)
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That be the two prows of a sunken canoe.
When can I pick up my aqua view?

Even the Losers (MuskieFirst)
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Pointer
Posted 3/20/2008 4:42 PM (#67338 - in reply to #67286)
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Clearly the bottom of the lake/river/reservoir.
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alanmdk
Posted 3/20/2008 5:53 PM (#67341 - in reply to #67286)
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My guess is- rock piles or boulders.
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Shep
Posted 3/20/2008 6:54 PM (#67343 - in reply to #67286)
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Interesting snapshot. Bumps look to be consistant with the rest of the bottom. I don't see them in the second echo, either. Is that significant? I am going to say it's some kind of bottom feeder, like a Lawyer, or Politician. No, wait.

Seriously, I'm wondering if this may be a river channel, and the bumps are maybe catfish or some other fish, belly to the bottom.
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Shep
Posted 3/20/2008 7:06 PM (#67344 - in reply to #67286)
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Interesting snapshot. Bumps look to be consistant with the rest of the bottom. I don't see them in the second echo, either. Is that significant? I am going to say it's some kind of bottom feeder, like a Lawyer, or Politician. No, wait.

Seriously, I'm wondering if this may be a river channel, and the bumps are maybe catfish or some other fish, belly to the bottom.

Perhaps instead of wild guesses, pointed quwations can be asked, and answerred, guiding us to the correct answer?

Edited by Shep 3/20/2008 7:08 PM
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BOXMAN
Posted 3/20/2008 9:35 PM (#67350 - in reply to #67286)
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Shep your observation of composition prompted me to think it was a wash spot. Maybe a channel turn where a barge put down thrust a ways down and washed the sand/silt into concentrated piles. Not roids haha.
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Frogman
Posted 3/20/2008 10:18 PM (#67352 - in reply to #67286)
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They seem to be symmetrical yet broken apart. The two ends of a tree maybe?

Frogman
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ToddM
Posted 3/20/2008 11:39 PM (#67354 - in reply to #67286)
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Dang it I guessed old wooden rowboats on the muskiefirst side and somebody beat me here with my guess!
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Doc Samson
Posted 3/21/2008 7:23 AM (#67357 - in reply to #67354)
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We have a winner. Zach will insert the video and announce the winner. The answer will be easily seen. Sonar is difficult to interpret and there were many correct answers as many targets look the same. Bumps on the bottom are often fish. You can ask any question and I will try to answer them.
I will then post some video and sonar that match for similar “bumps” of fish and other targets so you can compare the views. Visual is much better than words. I have developed a collection of simultaneously Aqua-Vu video with my sonar recording at the same time. I started collecting them for my classes and DVDs but I have found that they have helped me understand sonar much better. If you never “see” what the sonar “sees” we are guessing.

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Shep
Posted 3/21/2008 8:33 AM (#67362 - in reply to #67357)
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So it was a couple politicians! I thought so.

Edited by Shep 3/21/2008 8:35 AM
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budsbud66
Posted 3/21/2008 10:12 AM (#67374 - in reply to #67286)
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interesting.

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stacker
Posted 3/21/2008 12:31 PM (#67388 - in reply to #67374)
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Zach, where is the video?

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Doc Samson
Posted 3/21/2008 12:52 PM (#67390 - in reply to #67388)
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Zach is out of town for part of the day.
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Andy S.
Posted 3/21/2008 12:56 PM (#67391 - in reply to #67286)
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I would say underwater springs
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jerkin
Posted 3/21/2008 12:59 PM (#67392 - in reply to #67286)
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Doc, when is your new dvd coming out?
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Doc Samson
Posted 3/21/2008 1:14 PM (#67393 - in reply to #67392)
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I am actually working on it today. I am trying to finish it before the tournament season starts. I have had many setbacks but I am plugging away.
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jerkin
Posted 3/21/2008 2:03 PM (#67396 - in reply to #67286)
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Congrats, I'll be looking forward to it. I'm from the Muskyfirst site but signed in here to get in on the contest. Last year when I was looking for a video to help learn my X15 Worrall and the guys over there recommended your dvd. I've since recommended it to many people I fish with. The information is helpful from everything I do from musky fishing reservoirs to walleyes in the Great Lakes. I would suggest that anyone here that has not seen these videos to pick them up, guaranteed you will learn something.
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WalleyeFIRST
Posted 3/22/2008 9:46 AM (#67425 - in reply to #67286)
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Video and Aqua-Vu winner will be posted today, stay tuned!
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WalleyeFIRST
Posted 3/22/2008 11:16 AM (#67433 - in reply to #67286)
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Congrats Thumper. See video below.

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4MYEYES
Posted 3/22/2008 4:50 PM (#67446 - in reply to #67286)
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FRONT AND REAR BOAT ANCHORS ANCHORED ON A BREAK
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Doc Samson
Posted 3/23/2008 12:25 PM (#67463 - in reply to #67433)
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Old trees that look like bumps is the answer, but many of the answers look like bumps. Bumps on the bottom can be anything from logs, fish, boulders, to anything. So how do we tell if a bump is a fish or something else? I struggle with this all the time. Statistics are in your favor as most bumps I have viewed with my Aqua-Vu are fish. The screen capture is of fish "stacked" is captured with the console sonar. The 2nd screen capture is with the bow sonar so I am going 2 different speeds. Notice some of the fish are bumps but the video shows the walleyes swimming above the bottom. 'Bump" fish are actually not on the bottom.
I have sent the video to Zach to display. Next will be boulders as bumps.



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Doc Samson
Posted 3/23/2008 7:38 PM (#67468 - in reply to #67286)
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This video is a sample of the Aqua-Vu video I collected while I was on the bow mount while I was recording the "bump fish" sonar. All the fish I saw were swimming and none were on the bottom. Bumps on the bottom can be fish or logs.


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thumper
Posted 3/24/2008 3:53 AM (#67475 - in reply to #67286)
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Thanks to WalleyeFirst, Aqua-Vu and of course Doc. That image looked familiar to me from my fishing at Petenwell and Redstone, where I often find the timber on the top of the break, and some that has fallen down into the channel. The best spots have the wood at the top, on the break, and along the bottom of the break. Thanks again, guys.

Dave S
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Jesse Buechel
Posted 3/25/2008 8:54 AM (#67540 - in reply to #67286)
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Double echo means it's a rock bottom but the humps are not on the bottom echo so they cannot be rocks. Knowing doc this is probably a spot where he threw a couple of tennis balls weighted down or some lama droppings.
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rankin755
Posted 3/26/2008 10:56 PM (#67610 - in reply to #67286)
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a day late and a dollar short.... Nice work congrats on the new toy

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grabler
Posted 3/27/2008 8:39 AM (#67623 - in reply to #67286)
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I would guess an old pipeline in both cases.
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Doc Samson
Posted 4/1/2008 7:13 AM (#67870 - in reply to #67623)
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Bump #3 is an example of boulders that appears as solitary bumps on sonar and look like logs or fish tight to bottom. I am showing these to demonstrate that a lot of the previous answers to Mystery #2 could have been correct.



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thumper
Posted 4/7/2008 6:20 AM (#68093 - in reply to #67286)
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I just wanted to say thanks again to WF, Doc and Aqua-Vu. I received the Scout XL last week and it looks fantastic. You guys rock.

Dave S
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