Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament, Day Two
sworrall
Posted 6/8/2008 7:33 AM (#70378)
Subject: Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament, Day Two




Location: Rhinelander
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Three hundred boats headed out onto Winnebago at 6:20 this morning...and then headed right back in as a large thunderstorm cell moved into the area sporting lightning and heavy rain. It'll be awhile before the field will be allowed on the water, abbreviating the last day of the Merc National.

Day one leaders Matt Jacobson and Jim Hughes aren't worried about the weather; they feel their fish will be there no matter. They are worried about getting enough bites, though, as they are fishing transitioning post spawn fish and the action is very slow. They only had 5 bites yesterday, but stuck them all. They refer to their weight yesterday as 'lucky', but hope to repeat despite the tough conditions so far today.

PM:
The rain, thunder, and generally horrible weather closed down the Walleye Weekend Festival due to rough weather and lightning, flooded green areas, and soaked playing fields and tracks, but opened up a hot bite for some of the Teams who stuck it out and fished through the bad weather. The skies broke just long enough to get the weigh in completed, as storms moved through the area the rest of the late afternoon and evening. In the end, Daniels and Saunders took the win with two solid 17 pound plus baskets, edging out Jim Hughes and Matt Jacobson by just under 2 pounds.

Greg Golliher and Joe Robl took third, Ronald Goldapske and Dave Knueppel took fourth, and Brian Keller and James Keller took fifth.




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Sunshine
Posted 6/8/2008 10:16 AM (#70380 - in reply to #70378)
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WOW

I have a feeling that there will be lots of stories shared after this one.

How many people raced from the storms cells? How many were unhappy to be sent out on day 2 only to be returned? I hear that they closed the park yesterday. Good call with all the ugly storm cells in the area. Hope everyone got back okay without damage. Did they stop the weigh in or keep going? I hear that many came back very early to weigh. Was that because of the weather or early limits or both?

What a disparity of weights and catches. Leaders come in with 21.59 and there were 133 boats with either a zero or one fish.

Congrats to Jimmy Hughes and his partner on a GREAT first day catch. Jimmy is a class act and knows that system as well as anyone else. You were due my friend. Hope you keep it going.

Troy Saunders is/has been one of those young guns rising to the top for a few years now. Glad to see you in thick of things. You'll make a BIG impact before this one is done.

Some very good sticks from WalleyeFIRST that had a real tough time out there. Again, looking for the details and the stories. It had to miserable for some.

Great coverage by WalleyeFIRST, but that is no surprise. You guys rock!

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Sunshine
Posted 6/8/2008 10:33 AM (#70381 - in reply to #70378)
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I hope everyone is safe! Too many friends in this tournament not to concerned. Any reports Steve?



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Barb
Posted 6/8/2008 11:44 AM (#70383 - in reply to #70380)
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Just spoke with Jim Coon and he relayed that the flights were delayed approximately 1 hour. Weigh-in times for today remain the same.
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eye Lunker
Posted 6/8/2008 1:21 PM (#70385 - in reply to #70378)
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Mmmm interesting! jimmy hughes,greg golliher,joe robl,keith daniels all in top 3 spots. looks like live bait and jigging is putting some nice fish in the baskets! cant wait to see today results!
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sworrall
Posted 6/8/2008 9:32 PM (#70393 - in reply to #70378)
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Location: Rhinelander
Day Two Album is complete, video number one is UP, Daniels and Saunders WIN.

http://upload.outdoorsfirst.com/watch.asp?id=971
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Rich S
Posted 6/9/2008 7:31 AM (#70396 - in reply to #70378)
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Brutal, that is all can say as far as the weather. I have not been this sore from fishing in a long time. Congrats to the top ten, you earned it. Amazing how many times you see those names in the top ten!

A big thanks to Zach and Steve for covering this event through the horrible weather. Awesome coverage! Thanks guys.
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Sunshine
Posted 6/9/2008 7:47 AM (#70397 - in reply to #70378)
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32nd place is not too shabby either Rich. I know that you always want to do better but congrats. YOU should be proud.

 

The common comment that I hear from everyone that fished this one is "brutal". Care to elaborate?

 

One good friend indicated that they stayed close to one of the many harbors on Sunday in case they had to bail. 

 

Those were some very nice baskets from the top 5 in very tough conditions. 

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Rich S
Posted 6/9/2008 9:34 AM (#70403 - in reply to #70378)
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It was just the weather. It was always at one extreme or another. At no point did we say "Man, this sure is a nice day to go fishing!"

You know how it is, the wind, waves, thunder, lightning and long drives in a tough bite just suck the life out of you. I can't even walk straight right now. In other words...BRUTAL
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bradley894
Posted 6/9/2008 9:37 AM (#70404 - in reply to #70378)
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wow , brutal,,, yes on your mind!  just go fishing i was thinkin,,  it was tuff, for me..  went threw only about 20 fish this weeken and 6 to the scale... sunday held us up and we went out almost last on sat and almost first sunday . we caught back up to the storm as we ran north that they held us up for . if we could have gotten out in front of it.. oh well... never know, our fish at best coulda put us in the top 10 maybe..  20 lb catches woulda been hard to get on the east shore maybe next to impossible , 2 days ya..  i dont know anyone who stayed dry but it was warm out at least..   CONGRADULATIONS  KIETH AND  TROY,,  YOUNG GUNS , DID YOU HEAR THAT !   YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN CASHING CHECKS AND BUILDING A PLYWOOD COLLECTION FOR TEN YEARS AND THEY STILL CALL YA YOUNG GUNS! GREAT JOB !!!!!!!  BRAD..   oh ya , sunday was nuts..  trying to anchor up wind from on litte rock pile to the next,,  just get set up and the wind changes...  you cant even reach the little rock pile your trying to fish..  then you would pull up , move to the other side.. and  the wind would switch agian.. i dont think i was ever more frustrated in my life...  this went on for 3 hours... and with a morning bit till about ten thirty  and the clock ticken i fell appart like a cardboard box in a rain storm..    oh well ,  maybe next year... mwc next for me

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Mark Komo
Posted 6/9/2008 9:56 AM (#70405 - in reply to #70378)
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great work guys in some terrible conditions.
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thumper
Posted 6/9/2008 11:19 AM (#70408 - in reply to #70378)
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I certainly learned a couple things:
1) Just how far my Lund can go on a tank of gas
2) Bilge pumps are relatively important when you get 3" of rain
3) You can catch rockbass trolling
4) Don't throw back legal fish (this one is pretty important)
5) Why they call it "Stinky Point" (WOW, I don't think all that brown water was from mud...)
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GNWC Rookie
Posted 6/9/2008 12:49 PM (#70411 - in reply to #70408)
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I learned a few things as well.

1.) I'm tough on equipment.
2.) The whitebass on Winnebago really like my "Hot-Color" crankbaits.
3.) I can jump 5 feet from a moving boat to a pile of rocks in the rain without killing myself (Barely).
4.) I now know what it feels like to be shot with 5,000,000 bb's in a half hour (the Sunday morning ride)
5.) Dave taught me that you can't stop a sheephead fishermen from catching sheephead, even in a Walleye tournament.
6.) LaCrosse isn't the only part of the state that has a nice selection of Mullets, Skullets, and Femullets
7.) If you look up at 40mph, your hat will fly off into the lake.
8.) You're probably in for a long day when you cast and your slack line rises 15' into the air and hangs there.
9.) You can turn a pair of KSwiss into aquasocks in about 30 minutes if you really try.

All in all, it was still fun. I had a good time despite the weather. I'm sure my chiropractor will be buying a Merc with all the money I pay him after this weekend.

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ranger592
Posted 6/10/2008 5:11 PM (#70455 - in reply to #70378)
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Didn't agree with the decision of letting us go out on the 2nd day. By the time we got about 3 miles south of oshkosh we had to stop cause of the heavy rain, couldn't see anymore. lighting and rumblin all mornin, what were they thinkin???? I realize they didn't want to make it a one day tourny but they should think of safety first!! when they did anounce they were gonna leave us go they only gave a 10 minute warning, took us more than 20 minutes to get out of the channel with all the boats in there!! So instead of being in the first 25 boats to leave that morning, we ended up mid flight by the time we got to the pontoon. Some bad decisions by the directors!!!!!!!
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Buckwheat
Posted 6/10/2008 5:38 PM (#70456 - in reply to #70378)
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I was there on shore and timed the release. They started to let the field go at 7:10a.m. at 7:23a.m. the field was gone with the exception of three boats. One quit and two were told to hurry out as the two release boats were about to head back in. All teams must check out at the release boat or with the director before they leave. Some were asking to be let out sooner. Cant please all 600 fishers I guess. But they sure do try hard.
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ranger592
Posted 6/10/2008 11:21 PM (#70459 - in reply to #70378)
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So buckwheat u say i am not right about the timing that this all went down?? Nt tryin to start anything just stating what went down. 4 years ago they held us and gave us a launch time and that was great just wish they would of gave us the same warnin thas time!!
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Really?
Posted 6/13/2008 11:43 AM (#70549 - in reply to #70378)
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Over on lake-link under the winnebago thread there is a post about two coolers found floating in winnebago last weekend that had live walleyes in it. Is there any truth to this or is it hearsay? Not sure if people planned on entering those fish in a tournament or not....
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bradley894
Posted 6/13/2008 12:47 PM (#70551 - in reply to #70378)
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holy crap !!!!!!!!!!! i just went over there and checked it out... looks like someone went threw a lot of trouble to build these coolers.... and if its a hoax went threw a lot of trouble to do the post.. sounds to me that there is a team in the 300 boat field that is getting a bit sneaky! (understatement) or another tournament over the weekend. UNREAL! says the dnr was all over this one. and there was talk at the tournament about it... i dint hear any talk about it ... although i was sitting in the corner crying because of the small catch i had ... said all large fish inside , and one cooler had 2 6lbrs in it.. whats up? there is a photo of the cooler they found check it out ll fishing report board for baggo.  has latches on it and everything....

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sworrall
Posted 6/13/2008 12:53 PM (#70552 - in reply to #70378)
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Location: Rhinelander
We heard nothing about this either.
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bradley894
Posted 6/13/2008 1:13 PM (#70553 - in reply to #70378)
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thumper
Posted 6/13/2008 1:16 PM (#70554 - in reply to #70378)
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I can't believe anyone so stupid could actually catch two 6 pound fish to put IN the cooler......

That's a pretty distinctive cooler, can't be too many of those around. Somebody must have seen that thing before.
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guest
Posted 6/13/2008 1:17 PM (#70555 - in reply to #70378)
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Sounds like some river tourny guys are expanding out into the lake tourny's to me
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GNWC Rookie
Posted 6/13/2008 1:42 PM (#70557 - in reply to #70555)
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I remember hearing similar stories a few years ago. From what I remember, the fish they DQ'd in an event on Bago looked an awful lot like Bay fish (shorter and thicker), and they looked pretty pale and like they'd been there for a while.

I also remember hearing rumors of two of the top 3 or 4 teams getting DQ'd from the Merc one year (probably 10-15 years ago). I hate to say it, but if you put 300 teams in one event, there's bound to be some bad apples.

I really hope they find out who did this and ban them from all tournaments for life. Tournament Walleye fishing has a hard enough road ahead of it without cheats. Thanks to all involved for helping bringing these items to everbodies attention.

Making sure that people know about these things, and that people are on the lookout for this kind of activity is the only way of preventing it.
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bradley894
Posted 6/13/2008 1:47 PM (#70559 - in reply to #70378)
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ok so what your saying is that if i want to compete on baggo and beat the guys pre-fishing the river for otterstreet and the mwc , im going to need my big white lake michigan cooler and im going to need to do all my pre-fishing on the bay of green bay. or erie? i didnt budget for that? these tournaments are gettting too expensive!!!!!!!!!! although i never thaught about putting those nice little latches on my night crawler cooler.. i always forget to spin it around in the back of the boat and the lid always blows open... anyway , any chance there is some DNA on that cooler?
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Rich S
Posted 6/13/2008 1:54 PM (#70560 - in reply to #70378)
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I have not heard anything about any of this. Just another rumor.
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Guest
Posted 6/13/2008 2:13 PM (#70561 - in reply to #70378)
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lake-link says one cooler may be in the hands of the dnr. another in the hands of the FDL police. anyone have any contacts at either organization? i'd love to see an official response from one or both on this or any other site. how about an official response from tfm promotions?? Mr. Jim Coon......you out there??? I'd think they'd have a vested interest in dispelling this, if it is truly a rumor. gosh....i hope so!
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bradley894
Posted 6/13/2008 2:15 PM (#70562 - in reply to #70378)
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what about the guys who lost these two coolers full of fish? were they driving around the lake looking for them all day?
what is it like an easter egg hunt out there? theres one... NOPE thats a blue one ours are red..... nope that one either it has a yellow lid.... dang it i knew we shoulda used a heavier anchor..... oh theres a red one .. quick we only have an our of fishing time..... crapola... it says bud light on it?... thats not ours either.... oh boy ... its getting hard to get on our own fish this year isnt it rudy? ya maybe we should seagul somone elses fish...... NO NO that wouldnt be fair! what kind of guy do you think i am..... it ain over till the fat lady sings.. keep lookin.!!!!!!
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Hmm
Posted 6/13/2008 2:45 PM (#70567 - in reply to #70378)
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Maybe they were supposed to be fastened to the bottom of the lake or under water and the waves/weather broke them free. GPS cooridantes to the cooler won't do you any good if the cooler floats to the other side of the lake, ha!
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BigLunker
Posted 6/13/2008 4:52 PM (#70572 - in reply to #70378)
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Guys this is no joke about the coolers with walleyes in them. TFM Promotions know all about it, call them. FDL police know about it as they picked up Sundays cooler (the one in the picture). Like I posted on LL, everyone so far has swept this under the rug all week. Somebody has had to seen that cooler in a truck, boat or somewhere. This really should not be to hard to figure out who did this, it's not an every day coleman cooler!
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sworrall
Posted 6/13/2008 8:25 PM (#70577 - in reply to #70378)
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I'm betting that IF this was an attempt to cheat, the culprits wouldn't run around with the coolers out in the public much. Either way, the authorities will deal with the issue.
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bradley894
Posted 6/14/2008 9:16 AM (#70591 - in reply to #70577)
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yes the police and dnr will deal with this issue ,BUT!!!!!!!! im sure they could use a place to start.  anyone who knows something should contact them. in my mind if this was an attempt to cheat in a walleye tournament. if it was intended for the merc national, than  it is the same in my mind as a bank robery and attemt to steal 13,000 dollars or what ever the first place perse was.  not to mention the 75 teams that did place would have been moved up in the money, thats 75 more accounts of theft and fraud  i would think that would be enough to qualify this as a major fellony,  its Crap!!!!!!!!   if anyone knows who did this they need to contact the athorities and give them the tip.  cheating needs to be addressed by the fisherman , the directors and the staff cant be everywhere at once and the more eyes and ears out there the better...  can you imagin troy and keith getting beat out by the team that would have weighed these fish if there plan wasnt foiled by mother nature!  do you think these coolers would have been found if they were anchored properly? we would have a team of cheats and crooks on the podium in stead! i make little jokes about this thing but sounds like its the real deal.  somone needs to step up! somone should have seen something and i dont for the life of me know why the athorities or the staff didnt bring it up so that if somone did see these coolers in a boat prior to the tournament they would be made aware of the fact of what they were being used for..  the fact that nothing was braught up is what bothers me... there are 600 competitors  in the merc, i didnt know of this until it was braught up on here yesterday(thursday 4 days later) all of the teams that have fished that tournament over the years. all the teams that  have gotten close to winning but just couldnt do it...  year after year they enter and fish for the sporsmanship and freindships and the dreams of winning just once and there are guys out there who would think nothing of taking that away by doing something like this...  somone knows something, two people can only keep a secret if one is dead!  somone needs to step up! there is an anonomous tip line you know.   get the word out and somone may have seen something. swept under the rug? maybe not but the fisherman need to make sure that if these persons are found that they get what is comming to them...  fortunatly they didnt get away with it , had they gotten away with it you would have had a major cash fraud , im nots sure what could happen to somone that didnt cash a check because the couldnt find there fish stash,,, but if the athorities know. Ban them from the merc forever,,, heck i would stand up at every rules meeting that they showed up for ,,,, merc otter street , mwc, uncle bucks Bar.. it wouldnt matter,, bad press from the tournament ,, ya you may have some but i would think it more important that this team or teams if thats the case... gets banned from everything!  i dont care if its a golf scramble for charity , make sure there pencil doesnt have an eraser

 

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sworrall
Posted 6/14/2008 9:43 AM (#70594 - in reply to #70378)
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Agreed, but...Gotta catch them first. That's the job of the authorities, and I'm sure anyone fishing the event would have already called in if they had a tip or two.
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bradley894
Posted 6/14/2008 10:20 AM (#70599 - in reply to #70594)
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sworrel you are right... just a bit upset now.... and like many though now that i know of this as i look back i dont have any clue whos coolers these are i was hoping that if the field finds out about this  maybe some leads would come in... just makes me angry,, otter street this weekend another 300+ boats are going out today and tommorrow.. then the mwc another 200 maybe... along with many smaller tournaments on the lake,  drives me nuts to no end that there is a team or teams that my buddies are fishing against plotting these evil deeds.. odds are pretty good that the team who did this last weekend is agian on the water this weekend.. just upset i guess we will see how this plays out.. there were a lot of boats that caught some nice fish last weekend , and many more that had to walk up on stage with there tail between there legs with a few or no fish,  to think somone is out there pulling this crap and the thaught of them on stage with a big smerk on there face and a check in there hand makes me sick!  good luck to all in otter street ! looks like nice weather but a tuff bite again.  hope you all find some cleaner water and the fish get hungry for a wile .   they hafta eat sometime...  go get em.
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Jim Coon
Posted 6/14/2008 11:23 AM (#70601 - in reply to #70599)
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The following statement is incorrect from another post (everyone so far has swept this under the rug all week) This is be investigated and we are doing what we were told by authorities.

Here is the information I have at this time There was one cooler that had 5 dead fish in it. It was found Friday washed up on the east side. The fish had been dead for a few days when it was found. They stunk bad, really bad. Indication of the amount of time they were in the cooler. They were found Friday already dead and smelly. This indicates to me that these fish would not have been in any condition to go through the weigh-in at the Mercury National.

Also remember there are non tournament anglers that violate regulations. We as tournament Directors and organizers do our best to keep all tournaments on a level and LEGAL basis. People that have been caught in the past are banned from future tournament participation. We do have lie detectors test in place and this is used every year at the Mercury National

Edited by Jim Coon 6/14/2008 11:26 AM
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bradley894
Posted 6/14/2008 11:29 AM (#70602 - in reply to #70601)
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wow! thanks jim that clears things up! (understatement) that cooler could have been a make shift livewell tied to somones dock or boat. anywhere upriver or in the lake.. sounds like this has been blown out of proportion and i am guilty of getting worked up myself. one cooler not two... fish dead for a week not alive. thanks JIM i guess that puts this to bed. i feal better now!
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Rich S
Posted 6/14/2008 2:59 PM (#70604 - in reply to #70601)
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Thanks Jim. Pretty obvious this was not an attempt to cheat. Just another rumor gone bad.
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Guest
Posted 6/14/2008 8:35 PM (#70608 - in reply to #70378)
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Ha i wish it was just a rumor...the fish that my friend found on sunday in the reunite cooler were not dead they were alive full of color gill plates moving! That cooler however was turned into the city of fond du lac police dept...anyone who doesnt not believe can call the dept and ask and get whatever info they will give you...if this wasnt a act of cheating someone went way out of there way to put a pair of hinges on a cooler drill holes in the side put a bungee cord around it and tie a anchor rope around it....sounds like a cheater to me....my guess the reason this info was kept and has been kept so quiet is to protect the integrity of walleye weekend which is understandable to a point however i do think and hope that this is looked into further....dont mean to start an uproar guys but i thought i needed to chirp in with what ive seen and know however iam aware that this type of stuff does happen more often than not....thanks
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Brad B
Posted 6/14/2008 8:55 PM (#70609 - in reply to #70378)
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Posted 6/14/2008 10:19 PM (#70613 - in reply to #70378)
Subject: RE: Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament, Day Two


Let me start by saying I don't fish your tournaments but I am a property owner on the lake! When Sundays cooler floated in, I went to Lakeside park around 2:30 to report it to tournament officials on what was found. A cooler with 6 live walleyes, not dead and smelly as stated in a earlier report. At that time I was told one was found on Saturday (not sure about the one Jim mentioned from Friday), but they said they told that person to call the DNR Hotline. We were told to do the same. We didn't do that however however, we gave ours to the FDL police. No tounament officials and I MEAN NO BODY from the tournament every saw the cooler or fish, they didn't want anything to do with it. That's why we involved the police because we dind't feel satisfied by the answer officials gave us.




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ibfishn
Posted 6/15/2008 11:23 AM (#70618 - in reply to #70378)
Subject: RE: Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament, Day Two


I guess I have to ask the question, why would the police care and why would they investigate anything? I didn't know that putting fish in a cooler was against the law. Don't get me wrong here, I fish tournaments and the idea that someone may have done this as a way to cheat makes me sick but there are alot of different possibilities that could explain the coolers. Alot of people on the Winnebago sytem have small fish pens that they put their catch in so that they can clean a weekend or even weeks worth of fish at one time instead of every day. Perhaps the cooler was simply a makeshift "holding pen" or in lake "livewell" that broke loose from a dock in rough weather. You can't just put fish on a stringer and leave them for a couple days because they will either die or turtles, birds or even crabs will get to them. A cooler tied to a dock would be a pretty slick and easy way to keep them alive and fresh until a guy had time to clean them.
I guess I would rather hope no one was cheating, either way I don't see why the police would care, someone in the department probably took the fish home for dinner and threw out the cooler.
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Rich S
Posted 6/15/2008 12:28 PM (#70619 - in reply to #70378)
Subject: Re: Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament, Day Two


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Where was this cooler found? Who were the "officials" you talked to? What was the officer's name you turned the cooler over to? How big were these fish in the cooler?

Not doubting you, I just want some FACTS.

Edited by Rich S 6/15/2008 12:31 PM
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bradley894
Posted 6/16/2008 9:53 AM (#70636 - in reply to #70619)
Subject: Re: Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament, Day Two


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ok the plot thickens ... agian!   this doesnt look good, we are back to two coolers. one at the fdpd, and one at the merc. one full of dead fish the other live and kicking..  i dont care if these coolers are tied to a dock up river or along shore..  if this is true you cant tell me there is no comunication between the fond du lac pd. and the merc staff... its fondys festival to police.   jim was pretty up front with his statement , didnt sound like he knew of this second cooler..  or he is unable to comment , maybe there is an investigation and there close.. or maybe there is no way to prove what these are or whos they are so why try?   either way our Guest sounds credible to me.  after jim put the first cooler to rest i felt great , but now i have an uneasy fealing in my tummy again...  there may be more to this guys.
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ibfishn
Posted 6/16/2008 5:05 PM (#70654 - in reply to #70378)
Subject: RE: Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament, Day Two


Again I ask the question "what laws were broken by someone putting these fish in a cooler and what would the police care about it?" There is absolutely no evidence that this was an attempt to cheat in a tournament and that said there is no law against putting your days catch in a cooler and tying it up to a dock to clean another day. Why is everyone so insistent on blaming someone for trying to cheat?
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bradley894
Posted 6/17/2008 9:29 AM (#70663 - in reply to #70378)
Subject: Re: Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament, Day Two


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ibfishing.... if your going to tie a cooler to a dock to hold your fish to clean later than fine! TIE it on TIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! . and why would anyone have two 6lb fish and a bunch more very large fish stuffed in that little cooler to clean later anyway? so one or two can roll over ,,, die and get thrown out because two days later you decide to clean them? if you dont have ten min.. to clean your fish when you get home then you have the problem.. this isnt a matter of law. its ethics... if you live on the water and can sneak out fishing at a moments notice i would think by now you would have no problem catching your dinner almost any day you want. on this system the way the population has exploded there is no reason a lakeside dock owner wouldnt have a freezer full already . if your going to tie your cooler to your dock so your grandkids can put a few perch in it or a few walleys till you can go and get a couple more later in the day or the next day to fill in a meal fine! put your name and address and phone on the cooler so when it breaks free and i hit a water filled cooler with my lower unit i know who,s living room window i need to throw it threw. anyone ( and folks have the right to ) but anyone who eats 6lb walleyes that havent been hooked bad and are unrealeasable are nuts anyway, take the young ones , how much mercury and lead and pcbs do you think is in a ten year old fish ? or throw them in your cooler on the dock, maybe on a tuff bite tournament day one of your buddies fishing glenroys bar and adult toys fishing tournament may just feel the need to swing past .... heck put out a tip jar you may do pretty well.  oh and tell the guy down at Glenroys Bar and adult toys that i think this is the year i enter that 500.00/entry big buck contest..  oh and thanks for letting me use your chest freezer , that pope and young i drilled with the truck last december may just come in handy ,  aint it great to steal from you freinds!!!!!!!!  tight coolers..

Edited by bradley894 6/17/2008 9:39 AM
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bradley894
Posted 6/17/2008 10:08 AM (#70664 - in reply to #70663)
Subject: Re: Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament, Day Two


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 I NEED HELP with my lawn mower........... i left it tied to my dock because i didnt have time to clip the lawn.... NOW it doesnt start?  oh and on a side note.. wile out fishing the north end last night we caught 4 walleyes small ones ,, not quite enough for a meal so i threw them back... and we found a pink flamingo floating in the flooded debree... not a pellican a pink flamingo... i have that tied to my dock too until i can get my lawn mower running , i dont want to hafta clip around it .  i would like to find a few more pink flamingos before i stick them in my front lawn.  this dock sure comes in handy. got my wash line post tied to it too, i have an oil filter and 5 qts , a picnic table and bucket of stain, my golf clubs and a set of golf grips i havent had time to put on ,  ,, and the rest of my honey do list.  oh a nice tip,,, i didnt have time to clean my gutters on the house. tied them to my dock.. came back out and what do you know.. there clean.. now i just hafta find time to hang them back on the house..

Edited by bradley894 6/17/2008 10:12 AM
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Rich S
Posted 6/17/2008 10:15 AM (#70665 - in reply to #70378)
Subject: Re: Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament, Day Two


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It is now my life's mission to meet you in person Bradley! You are a unique individual:)
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bradley894
Posted 6/17/2008 10:24 AM (#70667 - in reply to #70665)
Subject: Re: Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament, Day Two


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rich your fishing the mwc this weekend right? oh  there are two thinks i cant tie to my dock,, the other night she put on her fancy nighty,,, i was tired from fishing... so well you know what i did.......  and i dint have time to drink my case of beer either ... and well the next morning both were gone..  but the rest of the crap tied to the dock was still there?  darn fisherman!

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felonious
Posted 6/17/2008 10:39 AM (#70668 - in reply to #70378)
Subject: RE: Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament, Day Two


since the prize money is over $10K, its a felon. And if there is some felonious intent, then FLD police are required to investigate.

Its probably nothing guys.
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Rich S
Posted 6/17/2008 10:57 AM (#70669 - in reply to #70667)
Subject: Re: Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament, Day Two


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No MWC for me. I am fishing the Romey's tournament though. I have the next Full Throttle and the August MWS yet.
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ibfishn
Posted 6/17/2008 4:41 PM (#70685 - in reply to #70378)
Subject: RE: Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament, Day Two


Bradley, I think you better go down to your local Wal Mart and buy some larger panties because the ones your wearing seem to have gotten a little tight and bundled up on ya.
Like I said, I just don't understand why everyone is so quick to jump to the conclusion that someone must have been cheating. It may very well be that it was an attempt to cheat but then how do you explain the first cooler that had fish in it that were dead for at least a week? Anyone who has ever fished at night off their dock and either had a couple to many beers or had to get up early and didn't want to clean them that night, tied the stringer to the dock and come home the next day only to find them eaten by a turtle can understand why someone would put them in a cooler.
Try something new, untie your mind from the dock if you can find it between your lawn mower and pink flamingo and entertain other possibilities.
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prophet
Posted 6/17/2008 7:14 PM (#70690 - in reply to #70378)
Subject: RE: Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament, Day Two


I'll guess that the authorities can not do anything because no law was broken because the culprits did not follow through with their plans. It would be very difficult to prove intent here without a smoking gun. The only way that these thieves could have been caught was finding the coolers anchored and video taping and/or observing them taking the fish and then weighing them at the tournament. Or as Mr. Coon indicated, in the Merc, winners take lie detector test.
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Rich S
Posted 6/17/2008 7:15 PM (#70691 - in reply to #70378)
Subject: Re: Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament, Day Two


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Where is Deep Throat when we need him??
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sworrall
Posted 6/18/2008 9:06 AM (#70704 - in reply to #70378)
Subject: Re: Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament, Day Two




Location: Rhinelander
I bet watching, waiting, and ready to report....if anything ever surfaces that's worth his/her involvement....
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Jayman
Posted 6/18/2008 10:04 AM (#70705 - in reply to #70378)
Subject: Re: Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament, Day Two



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Sounds like a cooler surfaced.....yet the person that is so adimant about reporting it doesn't even want to offer any credibiilty by signing their own name......Seems fishy to me.

For all we know this is anti-tourney Tyee posting as a guest user.

Marshall, not to bust down on you, but it would be better to report facts of past cheaters vs hearsay and what "you heard". Reporting such hearsay can be very damageing to a person's reputation. I would hate to see an innocent person get damaged by hearsay.

To add to your statement. June WWA out of the Pioneer back in say 2002-2003-2004 (someone help me out) Brian Bliske was disqualified for cell phone use during the tourney.

I've heard other rumors on other tournys as well...but don't have the facts.
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tyee
Posted 6/18/2008 11:28 AM (#70711 - in reply to #70378)
Subject: RE: Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament, Day Two



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Jayman, I have always respected your opinion and never made personal attacks. Do me a favor and take your own advice in that last post and keep me out of your little games!

"Reporting such hearsay can be very damageing to a person's reputation. I would hate to see an innocent person get damaged by hearsay"

Tyee

Edited by tyee 6/18/2008 11:32 AM
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Shep
Posted 6/18/2008 12:07 PM (#70714 - in reply to #70711)
Subject: RE: Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament, Day Two



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Nothing to worry about Tyee. You have no rep! hehehe

A couple thoughts. I think Deep Throat has retired.
I think somebody was pretty surprised to find their cooler(s) had floated away. I think they would have been DQ's via the Lie Detector anyway.
I think all tourneys should have the option of requiring a Lie Detector test. Not a dig on Sportsmen, because anyone that cheats to win is not a Sportsman in my book.
Depending where the cooler was found, FDL police may or may not have jurisdiction.
Conspiracy to commit fraud is something that could result in charges being brought forward.
I think a metal chain style fish basket would be way better to tie off your dock than a cooler. Seen many of these, but never a cooler.




Edited by Shep 6/18/2008 12:08 PM
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Jayman
Posted 6/18/2008 12:39 PM (#70721 - in reply to #70378)
Subject: Re: Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament, Day Two



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Oh Rodger is was just tongue and cheek....I thought you'd take it better than that.

Take care.
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wishnfishn
Posted 6/18/2008 3:49 PM (#70731 - in reply to #70378)
Subject: RE: Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament, Day Two


Shep, I agree there are alot of other things that could be and are used to keep fish tied to a dock. I just threw that idea out there as an example that there could be other reasons for the cooler than cheating. There is just so much rumor and inuendo out there now a days about cheating in tournaments that winds up being a bunch of bull and yet everyone is so eager to jump on the band wagon when something like this happens. No one knows what goes through another persons mind when they do some of the bone head things people do but I'm not about to start hollering cheaters because of a cooler found floating along with a million other things after a huge storm.
I think lie detectors in tournaments are great and any one foolish enough to think they can cheat and get away with it are nuts.
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Anonymous
Posted 6/18/2008 9:12 PM (#70744 - in reply to #70731)
Subject: RE: Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament, Day Two


Please read this carefully and don’t jump to any conclusion that can be “made up” from the facts.

Here are the facts:
1. Some information is not for public knowledge for legal reasons.
2. This situation is under investigation by the DNR. Not the FDL PD
3. Just because the tournaments directors don’t write anything on these threads doesn’t mean we are not reading your posts or that we don’t care. We more than likely are fact finding and putting all information together to make the best possible decision. This is a very complex task we aren’t going to please all.
4. We want a fair and just tournament just as much as anyone.
5. I have been in contact with the Fond Du Lac Police Department and the DNR about the cooler found on a shoreline.
6. There is one cooler turned in. It had some very nice fish it.
7. It was modified from its original usable condition.
8. The Walleye Weekend Tournament director is Dave VanGorder. His assistants are Jim Coon and myself Ken Krueger.
9. We were contacted by the FDL PD chief about a cooler. No one else contacted us.
10. If anyone talked to someone else about a cooler our staff are under strict direction to notify one of the three of us, for any reason.
11. The Tournament winners take a mandatory Polygraph test every year.
12. If the tournament director wants he can require other teams to take a polygraph test. It’s in the rules form you signed.
13. If someone did commit an act to better their winnings in any tournament, it will show up if they take a polygraph in future years. The questions they ask are designed to catch cheaters.
14. The best way to solve this is going to come from you the public somebody knows something. Peer pressure works.
15. If you know who did this you need to contact Ed McCann DNR warden at 929-3708
16. If anyone has a second cooler you need to call Ed McCann DNR warden at 929-3708
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Jim Coon
Posted 6/18/2008 9:42 PM (#70746 - in reply to #70744)
Subject: RE: Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament, Day Two


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I want to make it clear that the cooler I wrote about in my previous post is this cooler. There is NO SECOND cooler that guest says he gave to tournament officials. None of us were given a cooler on Sunday nor did anyone talk to us about finding a second cooler. If guest has a scond cooler he needs to cuntact Ed at the DNR. Also if someone has any real information about this incident please contact the DNR. As Ken stated this is still being investigated.
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LurePresentation
Posted 6/18/2008 10:24 PM (#70751 - in reply to #70549)
Subject: RE: Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament, Day Two


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This is why a lot of people don't pay big entry fees in tournaments. The money plus time spent prefishing and your competing against cheaters. It isn't right for all the non-cheaters out there.
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Rich S
Posted 6/19/2008 8:12 AM (#70761 - in reply to #70378)
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Thanks for posting Jim and Ken. It is sure nice to get some facts. You guys run a great show, keep up the good work!
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Jayman
Posted 6/19/2008 8:38 AM (#70762 - in reply to #70378)
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I'll second that, Rich.

Thanks, Jim and Ken. I hope someone comes forward and you guys can get to the bottom of this and the perputrators, if cheating was the intent, get thier just dues.

LurePresentation, I wouldn't let one incident keep you from playing the game. There will always be cheaters, but cheaters don't win every time. In fact in the big picture, I think they lose everytime....it ALWAYS catches up with them. Good Luck.
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Ichaser
Posted 6/19/2008 11:35 AM (#70769 - in reply to #70378)
Subject: RE: Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament, Day Two


could just be a local angler trying to make the tournament fisherman look bad. I've heard it before, the tournaments are ruining the lake. It seems like there are enough fish in the lake to keep us all happy. All the bad mouthing is saddening.
Let's all hope the truth comes out on this one.

Happy Fishing!!!!
DW
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Janu
Posted 6/22/2008 4:28 PM (#70845 - in reply to #70378)
Subject: RE: Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament, Day Two


I am not a tournament fisherman so maybe this is already done at some tournaments but would large walleye tournaments ever entertain the idea of a mandatory 3rd party riding along with all the tournament teams to attempt to stop cheating? I realize that out of 300 teams the vast majority are rule and law abiding but there are always going to be the cheaters. I have to believe that cheating occurs in some fashion every weekend on the Winnebago chain - may not be someone winning thousands of dollars but could be cheating that puts them somewhere in the money - may be as simple has culling. For example with the Merc National, I am sure tournament directors to could get 300 volunteers that have no ties to the competitors that would be willing to spend 2 days on the water. I would guess that the directors and officials would have no problem with this idea - most of the issues would probably come from the tournament participants not wanting a 3rd body on their boats. However if you truly wanted to put a stop to possible cheating why not entertain the idea. Just a thought.

It is very unfortunate that a few bad apples have to spoil the whole bunch!
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ichaser
Posted 6/23/2008 5:11 PM (#70901 - in reply to #70845)
Subject: RE: Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament, Day Two


sounds like a good idea, but I think it could cause to many problems. You would have to find good people that would not cause a distraction, and would stay out of the fishermans way. there also is not much room in the boats with all the gear. Anyway that is my case fishing out of a 617 Ranger. it gets kind of cramped.
In addition, what about liability??? No one wants to be responceable for a third party.
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fishnfur
Posted 6/24/2008 10:55 AM (#70919 - in reply to #70378)
Subject: RE: Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament, Day Two


I would not want to give up some of my spots to some third party guy/girl. That is like being guided for free all day...
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Ichaser
Posted 6/24/2008 10:58 AM (#70920 - in reply to #70919)
Subject: RE: Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament, Day Two


Good point Fishnfur!
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stacker
Posted 6/24/2008 11:37 AM (#70922 - in reply to #70920)
Subject: RE: Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament, Day Two


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I believe in trust. I believe almost everybody is good people. Take the guns away from the people and only the bad people will have guns. Don't go democrat on us and try to control where and when I can piss. Trust your fellow fisherman and play the game, or go regulate something else, but not in my play ground.
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RapRep
Posted 6/24/2008 12:34 PM (#70926 - in reply to #70378)
Subject: RE: Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament, Day Two


I would be fine with a 3rd party in big money tournaments. If some of the tournament participants don't like the idea of a 3rd party due to boat room, giving away secret spots, etc. they do not have to enter the tournament. I can speak for the Merc National that there are more than enough applications to fill the tournament each year. I would disagree that it would be a free days worth of guiding - the 3rd party would most likely not be a tournament fisherman with a decked out rig and to be honest fishing tactics are pretty well known and finding fish on winnebago is not very difficult (yes finding big tournament fish is more difficult but the majority of average non-tournament fisherman aren't looking for 5-6 lb fish).
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Jayman
Posted 6/24/2008 12:53 PM (#70927 - in reply to #70926)
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It's a team format....that's the way it's played. If you don't like it, then perhaps the PWT or FLW or FLW league is for you. Good Luck.
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bradley894
Posted 6/24/2008 1:27 PM (#70930 - in reply to #70927)
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 yes, i would NOT want to be responsible for the 3rd party, there is no leagal protection these days,  forget crimanal actions. im talking about cival,   forget it , if anglers cant be trusted fishing these tournaments, and if the turny directors and fellow anglers cant police themselves affectivly i will not fish the events anymore.  most of it isnt about the money but i have no respect for cheeters and less and less respect for guys who bend the rules, from blowing wake zones, to culling to double stacking on rods, and cell phones gotta go!  im tired of it,, the guys who put fish in coolers  and intend to bring them in in a tournament need to go to jail! i think we need to start  enforcing cell phone abuse if possible somehow. i think it needs to be done on an angler level, guys know who have been known to use them, and what teams have a track record of doing this.. these guys need to be confronted also..  i think its time for the anglers to stop looking the other way,   this weekend wile your out in your little tornament trying to find a school of nice fish.. after spending who knows how much money only to find you you just miss the top ten  when 4 boats are running around the lake and all end up in the same place in the afternoon.. again?  i guess its always been that way,, get in a fist fight there is always a guy that when he is down if you dont kick him in the ribs he will grab a fist of dirt and throw it in your eyes... then kick you in the junk... i guess all is fair in love and war and the tournament game these days. ,,, ps what was the deal in the mwc, half the fish it seamed in the second flight were called dead,, 4 of mine were fine when i tried to get them out of the well the first day,, after a couple min in the holding tanks they all went belly up again!  second day they had it figured out but when the heck is somone going to run a fire hoze from the lake in ten feet of water to the dock?  guess ill hafta start raising donations for one. and a pump ..  show up at all these things..  i dont wanna stir up trouble but someone wasnt prepared again!  dont get all wound up it wasnt a massive fish kill ! dont want to give the anti crowd any ammo.

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