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| a friend and i are trying to learn to fish walleyes on the bay without much luck our best days are 3 fish we have the boats the electronics and we believe the tackle blade colors beads etc. but we are missing something not sure if its location east side vs west side depth of water or lure depth lately we have been fishing 20-22 ft water west side 1/4 oz 35 ft back 1/2 oz 30 ft back +1/2 oz40 ft back 1.2-1.3 mph not looking tocatch every fish in bay would be nice to get enough for a meal for both our families any suggestions would be greatly appreicated lil al |
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| Right now if you are fishing the west side try to target 23-30' of water. Don't be afraid to run things high and low. It might be the easiest if you use 1 ounce weights to figure out the depth that you are running. With a 1 ounce weight figure 2 feet of line out for every 1 foot of depth you are trying to cover. Use your electronics to mark fish and then put your bait at the depth or a little bit higher. Hope this helps. Some days the bite just sucks, or the feeding window is short.
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| thanks for the input grouse am going to give that method a try as soon as the wind settles down a little. was also wonderingat what depth do you go to 1 oz? 18-19 ft?also last week we caught 6 catfish and 1 walleye the walley came around mid day 1/4 oz at 35 back nothing there the rest of day when catching catfish is it best to move to deeper water or bring rigs up? thanks again for the help lil al |
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| You cannot use that method 70 ft back is down 14 feet. get a precision trolling book
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| Snoopdog,
40 feet back @1.1 mph with a 1 oz inline weight will get you on bottom in 24 feet of water. I don't use the trolling guide for harnesses, I use the "I just got a huge ball of zebra mussels at 40 back in 24 feet of water method".
If I run 35 back with 1 oz weight @ 1.1 mph, I will hit bottom in 20-21 feet of water all day long.
For whatever it's worth!
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| thats because you are letting your line out t fast. I was just up last 2 weekends running 70 ft back at 1.4 picking up fish left and right. not here to argue look at the trolling bible  |
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | Snoopdog:
You are both right if it is working for you. The big difference is in your speed. 1.1 to 1.4 can make a big difference with that weight. Now take in the fact that his 1.1 mps may actually be .9 on your electronics and your 1.4mph may actually be 1.6 using his equipment. The variables are too great to argue about. You can say the same thing about line diameter and how much line each of you have on your reels. Again, too many variables to tell each other who is right or wrong. You could even put blade size into the equation if you wanted to be very picky.
Yes, everyone who trolls should get at least one version of Precision Trolling. But remember that it is only a guide and is not 100% accurate for all of us in all conditions. Too many variables. |
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| Yup, not to mention 60 feet of line on Snoops line counter reels and 60 on PS's reels could be 30% different.
The easiest way that I've found is to hold the rod tip at the water line right next to the boat and let out 10 feet or so at a time until you feel the weight contact bottom.
Continue holding the rod and letting a small amount of line out, pause, let more line out, pause, until you know that you are right at the bottom but not dragging it. (this should take a few minutes) The amount of feet out can now be used as a constant for this depth, speed, weight and harness.
So, Lets assume that you have 60 feet of line out to tickle bottom in 24 feet of water at a trolliing speed of 1.3. Then if you let out 40 feet of line you should be down 16 feet, 30 feet of line would get you 12 feet, etc. ussuming your speed remains constant.
You have to experiment with your equipment and electronics to mske this work. |
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| Does the new Trolling Bible have a section for inline keel weights or is it still the 50/50 method that I have in my version of the book?
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Location: Green Bay, WI | One of the latest versions, I think the 7th had the Bass Pro Keel weights in it.
The dive curve was for 1oz, 2oz, & 3oz @ 1.5mph. |
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| Bob,
Call me if you can get a day off next week, we'll go hit the bay. If everything goes right, I should be fishing every day next week.
Gave Poygan a shot this morning....1 Walleye, 2 crappies, 2 white bass, 1 Sheaphead.... I should have stayed home and worked!
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| snoopdog if you don't mind me asking would that be under the 50/50 method also how much weight were you using and about how far down did you figure you were? we were out 2 days this week and only could get 3 fish for our efforts 2 off bottom and 1 caught and 1 lost 1/4 oz 35 ft back colors didn't seem to important as we caught the fish on 4 different blades we can't start fishing until about 8 30 as we work nites but boyhdays were pretty calm thought that hurt us thanks for any replys lil al |
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| Just go out there and experiment, it's more rewarding catching fish that YOU figured out how to catch, that is unless you are just a meat hunter looking for a meal' then I guess it doesn't matter  |
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| not meat hunting just looking to maybe go from 1 fish to a couple makes it more enjoyable for the family outings not trying to empty lake just have a more enjoyable experiance . not afraid of a fw skunks just feel like we are missing a little something sorry al |
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| All I'm saying is, go out and try your own thing, you have the boat and the electronics, run different set ups on each side of the boat untill you get something going, the fish out in the mud are here today, gone tomorrow. so, once you find fish stay on them. If you pull a couple of fish from a spot, pick up and go back over them. Chances are you'll catch a few more in the same area. I've spent many hours on the bay scratching my head wondering what I was doing wrong. But, all that scratching has made me a better fisherman. One more thing, not everyone catches 20 to 30 fish every outing, it is quite possible, but it's not going to happen very often. |
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| thanks we are deffinatley going thru the learning process only been at it for about a month and a half will keep plugging away lil al |
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| lil al,
Have you considered hiring a guide? I'm not trying to toot my own horn or anything, but hiring a guide will drastically reduce the learning time. Just think of all the gas, bait, time, etc... that is wasted on your own learning excursions. One day with a guide will teach you more than you could learn in 20 trips on your own. If you do choose to hire a guide on the bay, shop around a bit and ask others about reputable guides. Some guides are great teachers others just want to get fish in the boat. I myself enjoy teaching my customers, showing them how to do every aspect of the fishing techniques used that day.
If you are interested in a trip, check out my website www.captainjollycharters.com. If you aren't interested in joining me for a day of fishing, feel free to shoot me an email with any questions or use the message board on my site for questions.
Good luck!
Captain Brett Jolly
Edited by CaptainJolly 8/27/2008 6:23 PM
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| actually yes we have thought of that we went with larry smith on winnebago in june wanted to learn a few things about that down there and was a very educational and fun trip in 30+mph winds he still taught us what when +where so i guess that was our trip for this year will look into your site for next year. i guess for this year we will keep plugging away.we will be fishing into oct. thanks for the advice and help lil al |
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| Larry would be a good choice on the bay also. |
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| lil al,
Buy my boat and I'll take you out next year and show you how I got every fish marked on my Lakemaster chip on the bay of Green Bay, Poygan, Bago, Bay de Noc!
j/k Purple Skeeter |
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | Greg from GMW Guide Service is also a good choice. |
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| snoopdog - 8/20/2008 11:52 PM
thats because you are letting your line out t fast. I was just up last 2 weekends running 70 ft back at 1.4 picking up fish left and right. not here to argue look at the trolling bible ;-)
Excellent point that is too often overlooked, Snoopdog! |
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