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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | The town of wolf river which controls the wolf river from a line starting at about gala resort just down river of Fremont to the mouth. They just released there agenda for mondays meeting sept 22nd at 7pm. On there agenda is a request to establish a 35mph speed limit on the wolf river. They are also asking for enforcing the noise ordinance on the wolf river. They are also asking for an extension of the slow no wake up stream till it passes tri angle campgrounds.
The noise needs to be cutailed but otherwise, they are just stopping the use of the river. There are a hand full of landowners, about 35 dwellings and 1/2 are for this, who would like to restrict 4 million land owners in the state of wisconsin. These people are old and will show up at every meeting all winter long until they get what they want. We need to overwhellmingly SQUASH this thing once and for all.
The meeting will take place at 8800 county rd II fremont
The fax number to the town hall is 920-446-2491. I encourage anyone with something to say on this subject to fax them a letter before monday. They do not have a website or e-mail.
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Denny
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| What's wrong with a 35 mph speed limit? Granted my boat goes faster than that, but the river is narrow in my mind with a lot of bends to it...If people in the past didn't drive like dumba%%*& they wouldn't feel the need to put a limit? | |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | Guest - 9/22/2008 1:44 AM
What's wrong with a 35 mph speed limit? Granted my boat goes faster than that, but the river is narrow in my mind with a lot of bends to it...If people in the past didn't drive like dumba%%*& they wouldn't feel the need to put a limit?
That is a very good point guest, who ever you may be. The speed limit is not coming because people drive like dumb butts, THEY,(See later definition of THEY) are getting restriction in place now that everyone will agree with, so THEY can further the restrictions at a later time. After all, when you slow a 35 foot Baja' down to 35 mph he will sink deeper in the water creating a larger wake. His open exhaust will be noisier. THEY will then attack that issue. The biggest problem on the river now is noise and the LACK of adult supervision. They are setting us up to restrict the river in the future. THEY will not rest on this issue. THEY would preferr that, well, I ain't for sure exactly what THEY want, but in a perfect world, it would be there river because THEY own the property next to it so no one could use it other than them.
Guest, do you know who THEY are? "If people in the past didn't drive like dumba%%*& THEY wouldn't feel the need to put a limit?" You made this comment coming off like a expert. Let me tell you who THEY are. The people complaining, The definition of THEY is right here, THEY are LANDOWNERS!!! Not other boaters, not fisherman, not the rescue teams that have never been called for a accident in the last 10years, not the cops who are breaking up fights at boat landings, NOT ANYONE other than LANDOWNERS. THEY have a DNR Officer who sides with them because THEY complain to him every saturday and sunday. THEY say someone is going to get killed. THEY say that THEY cannot use the water in front of there place because there are to many other people using it. ITS A PUBLIC WATERWAY!! THEY have nothing better to do than to have him on speed dial. He is so tired of them bitching that he wants to make the whole river slow no wake. That way he doesn't have to do his job anymore.
We all know that the big boats are anoying, i agree, but, take it this way. The big boats go. NEXT STEP, When you fish the wolf in a 19 or 20 ft walleye boat with a 175 or 225 next spring, THEY will then start in on you. This will be there progression. "There grandkids almost got run over by a guy in a highpowered bass boat when he was trying to fish for white bass". THEY, will continually try to convert the resource into what THEY want it to be. The whine of a very few is controlling the many.
Off my soap box now. Thanks for listening.
MAJOR NOTE: NOT all landowners are in on this. There are many who visit this board and I want to assure you that not all are on there side. Many are fighting against them. Fisherman are the many. we can influence decisions because of our sheer numbers. We are the largest sect of registered boats in the state.
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| If the Town of Wolf River passes this ordinance, do they actually have the were withall to enforce it? Do they have a police force that has any kind of jurisdiction there? Just because they would pass this, doesn't mean the county, state or DNR would be obligated to enforce it. I'm not saying, I just don't know the answer to these questions. Could be a moot point if they can't enforce it. | |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | Shep, That seems to be the problem on the lower river, lack of adult supervision. They can make all the laws they want but there is no one to enforce them. The county of winnebago as well as waupaca do not plan patrols all the weekends because of the "Lack of incidents reported to them" In that region. The bottom line is that 98% are good boaters, they will follow the rules weather they are being watched or not. If there are patrols from the state all the way to the local governments, they have to enforce the most stringent rules placed on that water way. That would be the local level laws in most cases. The wolf is for certain in that group.
I feel very strongly about this as I see them taking away something that is mine. I would love to see the fisherman of this state stand behind me and oppose this. | |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | Last nights meeting went as expected. The pushers showed up and stated that they wanted a vote on the issues now. When the board asked them why, they stated "Because this is the town of wolf river, correct? We are the citizens of the town of wolf river and we want to vote on these subjects that you have been tabling". They were told that this would affect more than the citizens of the town of wolf river and they stated that they did not care, they cared what happened in there back yard and they wanted to vote immediatly. It was not voted on.
The opposition will be starting a website asap to keep everyone informed world wide about the 3 communities and there actions. | |
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| There are laws against noise on the books already aren't there Denny? So that should be a moot point. As for the speed limit, and slow no wake. we do have regulation regarding wreckless driving don't we?
ENFORCEMENT IS the issue plain and simple, this is one of the safest (if not the safest river) waterway in the state, many others WITH these restrictions have many more incidents already.
It is imparative that we come out and stop this sole officer on his rally of safety with FACTS. Many of these waterways that have changed these rules now have multiple officers patroling them because the land owners now have some backbone to call and DEMAND action. This will do nothing to improve safety and thats just the plain truth.
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | tyee - 9/25/2008 5:31 AM
There are laws against noise on the books already aren't there Denny? So that should be a moot point. As for the speed limit, and slow no wake. we do have regulation regarding wreckless driving don't we?
ENFORCEMENT IS the issue plain and simple, this is one of the safest (if not the safest river) waterway in the state, many others WITH these restrictions have many more incidents already.
It is imparative that we come out and stop this sole officer on his rally of safety with FACTS. Many of these waterways that have changed these rules now have multiple officers patroling them because the land owners now have some backbone to call and DEMAND action. This will do nothing to improve safety and thats just the plain truth.
Good Luck
Tyee
Tyee
EXACTLY, and that is whats been said many times over and over by various groups. The lack of incidents on the river show we do not need new rules.
There is a noise ordinance but it seems that when they write a ticket, it gets thrown out of court because they have the law worded so badly no one should ever pay a fine. That is the same with many rules that they write tickets for. If its not on film, they did not do it attitude in court has many of these erased.
This officer has went as far as to approach the county boards with this dribble and telling them what he wants done. They keep asking why and he answers that a accident might happen.
Fisherman need to rally heavily on this subject because he will come after us next. I say squash this situation completely now. Do not let him put restriction, make him enforce what is there allready. He should be changing wording to ticket the offenders. And make it stick. | |
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| It's an uphill battle and going to be a long winter. The Powerboat alliance is in full force at these meetings and we as Fishermen need to band together to fight this type of crap. If you are a member of a club or organization please forward this to your club president and make sure you pass along your concerns as soon as possible. They are about to pull the rug out from underneath us, when our eyes are on the lake! This proposal would make the entire wolf no wake in the spring because of the anchored boat wording. This MUST BE stopped!
Good Luck
Tyee
DRAFT PROPOSALS”
BOATING SAFETY ORDINANCE CHANGES FOR THE WOLF RIVER:
DEFINITIONS TO BE ADDED: 1). "Pier" means any structure extending into navigable waters from the shore with water on both sides, built or maintained for the purpose of providing a berth for watercraft or for loading or unloading cargo or passengers onto or from watercraft. Such a structure may include a boat shelter which is removed seasonally. Such a structure may include a boat hoist or boat lift, and the hoist or lift may be permanent or may be removed seasonally. "Watercraft" means any device used and designed for navigation on water. "Boat" or "vessel" means every description of watercraft used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on water, except a seaplane on the water and a fishing raft. "Law enforcement officer" has the meaning specified under s. 165.85 (2) (c) and includes a person appointed as a conservation warden by the department under s. 23.10 (1). "Motorboat" means any boat equipped with propulsion machinery, whether or not the machinery is the principal source of propulsion. "Operate" or "use" when used with reference to a motorboat, boat or vessel means to navigate or otherwise employ. "Operation of a motorboat" means controlling the speed or direction of a motorboat, except a sailboat operating under sail alone. "Operator" means a person who is engaged in the operation of a motorboat, who is responsible for the operation of a motorboat or who is supervising the operation of a motorboat. "Patrol boat" means a boat authorized by this state or by a local governmental unit for the purpose of law enforcement, search and rescue, fire fighting, emergency response, or water safety operations, including a water safety patrol unit. "Slow-no-wake" means that speed at which a boat moves as slowly as possible while still maintaining steerage control. “Sport Towing” means to operate a motorboat towing a person on water skis, aquaplane or similar device. This activity includes, but is not limited to waterskiing, parasailing, aquaplaning, tubing, knee and wake boarding, and all associated activities where a boat is used to pull a person or persons on or across the surface of the water.
INTENT: The intent of this ordinance is to provide safe and healthful conditions for the enjoyment of aquatic recreation consistent with public rights and interest, the capability of the water resource, and preservation and protection of natural resources.
APPLICABILITY AND ENFORCEMENT: The provisions of this ordinance shall apply to the waters of the Wolf Rivers and all its backwaters and tributaries, excluding Partridge Lake, Partridge Crop Lake, and Cincoe Lake, within the jurisdiction of Waupaca County. The provisions of this ordinance shall be enforced by Law Enforcement Officers of the Waupaca County Sheriff’s Department and any other authorized Law Enforcement Officer.
SPEED RESTRICTION: No person shall operate a watercraft and or motorboat faster than Slow-No-Wake on the waters of the Wolf River in Waupaca County as identified by this ordinance.
A speed limit of 25/35/40 miles per hour is established on the Waters of the Wolf River in Waupaca County as identified by this ordinance. No person shall operate a watercraft and/or motorboat at a speed greater than 25/35/40 miles per hour(m.p.h.) on the waters of the Wolf River as identified by this ordinance in Waupaca County.
DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS: No person may operate a watercraft and/or motorboat within 100/75/50 feet of any dock, pier or anchored occupied boat on the Waters of the Wolf River in Waupaca County as identified by this ordinance at a speed in excess of slow-no-wake speed.
NO SPORT TOWING ZONE: A no sport towing zone is hereby established on Saturdays, Sundays, and legal holidays on the waters of the Wolf River in Waupaca County as established by this ordinance. No person shall operate a watercraft and/or motorboat engaged in sport towing activities during these times.
A no sport towing time is hereby established on Saturdays, Sundays, and legal holidays from sunrise to 10:00AM/11:00AM/12:00PM on the waters of the Wolf River in Waupaca County as established by this ordinance. No person shall operate a watercraft and/or motorboat engaged in sport towing activities after these established times.
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| Denny - Anymore updates on this situation? | |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | On Monday the 20th at 630 pm there will be a vote in the town of wolf river which is located on Cty Rd. II as to whether they will be extending the slow no wake from party doll to tri-angle farms campground. I do not know if they will be discussing before hand but they will be voting so your presence will make them think twice.
Thanks All
Denny
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | The meeting date was set for the 27th not the 20th, sorry guys, just got back from hunting.
On october 27th the town of wolf river has approved a extention of the slow no wake on the wolf river. the slow no wake will extend from the down river side of orihula, where it always was, and then go all the way upstream to just beyond tri-angle campgrounds. That is 1/4 mile past the party doll fleet. The old no wake area was a 30 to 40 min passage. Now you can bet on a 50-60 min passage upstream. I will get more contact info and post soon.
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