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| Heard that Mercury will no longer be the sponsor of this event on Walleye Weekend. Does or has anyone heard any further information regarding this?
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| Maybe just a rumor but, the way AIM is piggy-backing these large festivals...who knows... |
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Location: Orland Park, IL | There was mention of a big event in wisconsin, but not yet announced. Funny if merc nationals now open to other motors. |
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | I would not be surprised that Mercury would take a year off because of the economy. I would not be surprised if AIM picks up the tournament along with Jim Coon's help. They have mentioned that Wisconsin was a site they were pursuing, so this makes sense. It is unfortunate for them and us if the rumors are true about Mercury. |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | My guess would be, NO WAY!! I just can not understand why they would consider dropping the event. Personally I dont think they have. Its one of the odest in the nation. It is a 80k draw of people for more than fishing, its a good will to the community, a thank you of sorts. There is way more to consider here than just a walleye event, its a celebration. People who do not fish, but boat, buy outboard motors, I/O motors and also attend the event knowing its called walleye weekend, the beer is cold, the events are family orientated and its sponsored by mercury marine. I would say that if it is not the mercury marine event, then mercury is getting ready to shut there doors. I could not imagine fond du lac or mercury, paying someone to come in and do a tournament, I.E. AIM, over paying out what it takes to do this event. They fill the event the first day of open enrollment, very few can say that. They allready have many hard items in place, the running of this has to be a snap. Just stop and think about all the implications that would happen.
But heck, been wrong before. This just makes no sense whats so ever. |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | I am sure there are guys who can answer that EXACTLY for you moreeyes, hahahahahaha I like the word misunderstood. |
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| And if the rumors are not true then your guilty of bs and starting rumors right ? So sunshine your are saying in merc does sponsor the mercury marine tourny like they always have you would be surprised? |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | so much for a civil conversation
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | Hey guest,
What are your intentions and what are you looking for?
I forgot that these rumors happen every year. Guess the economic environment got the best of me Stacker. I certainly do not want to help start rumors or gossip. Frankly, I wished I never posted. Now I'll be under attack by no names hiding behind the screen.
My guess would be, regardless of the promoters or sponsors, the show will go on. Even without a tournament (which I believe will happen), walleye weekend would go on. It's a lot bigger than just the tournament.
Stacker,
I agree with you. Because of its heritage, many other things would happen first before Mercury totally pulled out. I have no idea how much financial support it costs Mercury and frankly it is none of my business. A dual sponsorship of some sorts could be possible though. The AIM boys have close ties with Mercury I believe. |
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Location: Fond du Lac, WI | I hope Mercury continues with the Merc National. The tournament has been built on some of the best local guys competeing with the National Big Boys. It gave a great venue to see how a local could stack up to a proven name, even if it was just one event on their home body of water. It is very tough to get into the tournamnet itself, as they always have a waiting list to partcipate.
Mercury is a class outfit, and will do the right thing if financially viable.
If Aim gets involved, the great format of this tournament will be lost. I plan to fish with Aim this year, and am looking forward to it. I just hope it will not be in Walleye Weekend. If Aim takes over, will it become an annual event or just a one year stop?
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Location: Berlin | Big Grass, you starting trouble again? 
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| I'd be very surprised if Merc dropped it's support of Walleye Weekend, and the Merc Nationals. Just because the economy is in a downturn, and the media is in a doom and gloom frenzy, doesn't mean that ALL advertising and all sponsorship dollars are pulled. Companys must still advertise to maintain, or even gain market share. So I think this is just a rumor started by people that don't like Brunswick/Mercury.
ANd I agree, if they allow AIM to come in and hold their tourney, it will be a mistake. I don't see that happening. I have some contacts in Merc, so I'll try to find out if anything is going to change. |
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| I'd love to see AIM do this event! 100 Pros, 100 Co's (sure to fill instantly).... CRR could do a lot for that end of the lake. Merc Nats need to take a serious look at that or change their weigh in practices! It's a strong hold for the community thats for sure. I'm sure I'll regret posting on a "rumor" as well!
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| Good point on the weigh in, Tyee. Some years were pretty bad with mortality. But as long as the dead fish are used by a food pantry, I don't have an issue. |
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| No rich...not trying to start trouble. Just looking for someone to dispell the rumors. Looking for a straight answer. It doesnt matter to me one way orr the other if they sponsor it.
If you want me to start trouble...I'd post something like ..." I heard they are going to close the upper lakes for the merc!" Ha ha funny...IM JUST KIDDING!! |
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Location: Fond du Lac Wi. | TFM Promotions Ltd. once again worked with Mercury on the 2009 Mercury National Walleye Weekend Tournament June 12th - 14th in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin, fishing the entire Winnebago system. We handle the registration and field all phone calls and correspondence. That is from the TFM Promotions Ltd. website.
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Cost? Entry fees and pay out are about the same. Merc National is one of the lowest payout and highest entry fees for an owner’s tournament. Volunteers do a lot of the work. The festival is not about the tournament anymore. They are more concerned about a hole in one contest than the safety of the fisherman. Heck we can’t even have easy use of the channels.
Merc National is not the tournament we were fishing 10, 15 20 years ago.
The festival is about the community not fishing or boating.
Just a disillusioned past competitor
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Location: Orland Park, IL | I dont think Merc is pulling out or taking the year off. They should go on as usual I would imagine.
If we think along the lines of CPR, what main body of water comes to mind, in wisconsin, that may have a high mortality rate? Not bago. Green Bay. CPR would be perfect for a green bay event.
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| Entry blanks are out and he tourney is June 13th and 14th. |
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| tyy - 12/23/2008 8:16 AM
I'd love to see AIM do this event! 100 Pros, 100 Co's (sure to fill instantly).... CRR could do a lot for that end of the lake. Merc Nats need to take a serious look at that or change their weigh in practices! It's a strong hold for the community thats for sure. I'm sure I'll regret posting on a "rumor" as well!
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OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TYEE i love you man but you are way otta line here! do you understand how many members of walleyes for tommorow and concerned winnibaggo walleye fisherman have supported this tournament fo so so many years ! Do you understand that events like this and otter streets the week after or responsible for the great fishery we have? There is no argument that can be made against what these anglers and clubs who love these events and count on them for promotion of membership have done up river to create a spawn anualy the could never have been duplicated by mother nature! FOR GOODNESS SAKE MAN! WITHOUT THE SOMETHING LIKE THESE TOURNAMENTS AND EVENTS CREATING A FELLOWSHIP OF VOLENTEERS TO CONTINUALY PUSH OUR DNR AND OFFER A PLAN AND THE MANPOWER TO EXICUTE IT ALONG WITH THE MONEY TO DO THE WORK UP RIVER IN THE MARSHES(SPAUNING GROUNDS) WE WOULD HAVE A LAKE FULL OF CARP AND SHEEPSHEAD!.. dont forget the saugers are back too!.... THINK MAN! think! the only thing that could make walleye weekend better would be to KILL ! YA KILL most of the fish caught Feed them to the needy for free that weekend and sell the rest to the public with half going to chairity and the other half going back to the up river support to create an even biggger fishery! DUDE so quick to take the fish kill noumbers of a tournament and try to turn it into a reason to kill the very things that are responsible for how good we have things on that body of water. i dont understand the thinking? do a little homework. oh ya one more thing WALLEYES are for catching and EATING! for all to enjoy! fine catch your musky and take a picture .. put the majestic fish back to swim another day... but for the love of God! EAT THE WALLEYES and feed your family... do your part to help mother nature make as many as possible ! not to count them..... SO WE ALL CAN CATCH AND EAT THEM! |
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| ok i went off on tyee a little above as Guest... oops... um well ya it would be cool if Aim got controle of the fishing side of Walleye weekend! NOT!... lets see .. 300 boats 600 local fisherman... 2 family members show up to see mom or dad or uncle joe show up on stage with some fish... hmmmm 600 anglers 2 guests each is is 1800 counting the anglers per day 2 days not counting friday night.. is 3600 people spending money buying a beer a brat and enjoying the festival.. lets replace them with a tournament cercuit that hasnt had a tournament yet and doesnt even have its total format figured out yet... lol GREAT IDIA How long has the Merc national and walleye weekend been a successful partnership? YA YOUR RIGHT JUST THROW IT ALL OUT THE WINDOW LOL... |
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| Whew. I broke out in a sweat reading those! hehehe
As for your comment that the saugers are back. Are they really? Do they now have data of natural recruitment happening? Cuz it sounded like last year, they had no conclusive data of YOY sauger, and they were going to suspend stocking as an attempt to reestablish the sauger in Bago. As a result, they were going to open up the season on them.
How many new teams will be in the Merc this year? I think the economy will be a factor, and many new teams will be in. I ain't saying,......I'm just saying. |
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| Don't hold back there bud......I didn't mean to insinuate anything other than the obvious. Might not be anything wrong with a kill tourney at that time of year either. Both otter and merc have a kill rate of 50% already and otter stepped up to the plate and reduced bag limits last year, Merc needs to do so too or work towards improving their release success rates (IMO) The AIM model would go a long way to improving the image of this event. (if you read the begining of this thread it was a rumor and the discussion was what if's.............
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | Do you know that there were more walleyes killed on poygan last weekend than what the merc tourney could kill in one weekend? Do you also realize that a bunch of them where females that will never get a chance to spawn. The DNR Says its ok for people to kill them. Why do some get so worked up over the kill rate of tourneys? Give me a good reason and not some crap about public perception. |
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| Stacker, Thats why I said it could be a kill tourney, it wouldn''t bother me in the least, I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed but know the difference. Why don't you poll the folks at the ice breaker when Kendal puts that slide up in his presentation. Who knows, maybe your clientel aren't that concerned. But I can tell you that the shore fishermen and the average joes I speak to almost daily don't hesitate to tell me how much they dislike tourneys, and that is one of the reasons they cite. you should see the looks I get when I tell them they should kill them all when temps getthat high. Hows that for crap!
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | I did not see one thing in your response that answers my question. I seen you take a cheap shot at the ice breaker and there attendee's. tsk tsk tsk!! I talk to alot of them folks as well tyee and gotta say that most of them want to learn how to catch fish as well as some of the guys in the tourneys so they to can eat well. These same guys you speak of throw NOTHING back. They keep it all. I want to ask you a question. Have you ever asked the same guys you speak of what they think of guides fishing everyday of the week, with 2-4 clients and keeping there limits of fish every single day? 7 days a week. Also, when you ask them about the killing in tourneys, do you tell them that the fish are being put to good use that die to feed the hungry or the elderly? or do you leave it as a gray area that one could write in that the fish, after being weighed in, are now, no good to anyone and are thrown in the trash?
You are in sales, it is all how you pitch the product.
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| ...........................................not worth the time any more!
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| Denny,
Just curious since I don't follow the tourney results.... When did a bunch of big females get killed on Poygan last year. I know I had a great year on Poygan, but I only caught and released a handfull of fish over 17 inches. I would say 95% of my Walleyes were 15-17 inches.
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Like it or not, public perception is largely responsible for the direction of fishing tournaments. Reduced bag limits, nonsense tournament regulations, and other rules specific to the way the wind is blowing that day are inevitable until most people WANT to know the truth instead of wanting to get their way.
I'm hoping that I'm wrong on this, but I just don't see things getting any better. Its everywhere in our society today.
As to the point Tyee was making, I do think you can expect to see bag limits reduced in the Merc in coming years. Personally, I thinks its a total crock of pooh, but its pretty clear that some people would rather bend to the weight of public perception they *think* is real than stand up against it and be a rational voice of reason. I'm hoping that Tyee is not one of the "do-gooders" that is pushing these dumb rules down on us and is instead little more than a modern day Nostradomus...
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| Rained so hard at MERC last year all my walleyes were release directly out of my boat as fast as I could put them in.
Hey Tyee, come on over to the live bait thread and give me a hand, I'm getting beat up over there. |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | PS hehehehe Its happening as I type this.
What is happening Brad is not what we are to accept. Is it? Well, I just cannot accept it. We hear from a guy like Tyee who says every guy who bank fishes hates tourneys, then when confronted with why, throws his hands up and walks away because we do not agree with him. HOWEVER, he has no problem poking people with a sharp stick on the bank and then claiming that they are all bothered by this. He thinks he is the voice of many. I cannot sit back and let this "spread of wrong words" continue. If you want to take away tourneys that kill fish, or even restrict them, then I expect to see guides disappear or be greatly restricted on bag limits as well. Anyone who uses the resources and takes fish, food, minnows or any other product that belongs to the public, from the general public, as a way to make a living, has to be curtailed. This cannot be a one way street, whats good for the goose is good for the gander. Becareful what you wish for, you just might get it. Some choose to only see one side of this and sit back and giggle. |
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| How does one seperate the "locals" from the tournament fishermen in regards to the Merc nats or Otter Street? They are prestigious local tournaments for the community.
There are plenty of locals that only fish one or two tourneys a year....and these are the ones.
Just because your point of view is against tournaments, Tyee. Doesn't mean every "non-tournament" fisherman shares your point of view. |
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| Hold on there Jason, I am not against tourneys never have been and have even participated in them. Don't be spreading that bologna. I have always brought out points of view of my own and that I perceive of others. right or wrong I know I'm not alone in my thinking. You can sit inside your box and think the world is perfect if you want. I threw my hands up because my views are different than Dennys, and our discussions have become pointless as he sees things one way and I another. It doesn't make him wrong but it doesn't make my perception wrong either, maybe a bit clouded at times. Start a poll, there are many out there on this topic and the ones I have seen show that there are still a heck of a lot of people that dislike tourneys, and dead fish seem to be a hot topic. Educate them and maybe you can change their mind, thats all I try to do. By the way I don't know of any guides that take/take and take from their chosen profession. Many of them have the same ethical standards of that of tourney fishermen that know they need to protect their livelyhood and that means they practice catch and release. Guides taking limits over and over is rediculous, I'd love to meet one!
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| Tyee, you always cite the non-tournament point of view. You're consistent, but you always claim you are not against tournaments. I find that confusing.
I would rather hear the anti-tournament point of view from an anti-tournament person, not one that claims they are not anti-tournament yet repeats anti-tournament sentiment.
I now there are people out there that are against it. I know there are lake associations that view body's of water as thier water. I know there are guides that kill an aweful lot of fish compared to the average fisherman. I know there are tournament anglers that do practice catch and release and only kill a few fish through out the year on tourney days. There are point's of view from every angle if you really disect it, but your poit of view is confuseing. You seem to take pride in rubbing other peoples noses in it. |
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| tyee - 1/23/2009 10:32 AM
Guides taking limits over and over is rediculous, I'd love to meet one!
Good Luck
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You can't be serious! You don't know a single guide that allows his clients to take limits? Or any that won't add his limit into the days total?
C'mon Rod. I'm thinking you didn't really mean what you just posted.
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | At 300 bucks or more a day, I am thinking that there is no way a guide could tell a paying customer that he "Cannot take his limit because it is not good for the resource" hahhaahahahaha lots of repeat business for sure. Heck, thats the guides selling point, I can get you a limit and they have the pics to prove it. By the way, they are all dead as well. Is joe plumber saying tsk tsk tsk to the guides dead fish pics, or is he drooling wanting to go fishing with that guy? Yep, thats what I thought. |
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| Jason why do you think I am rubbing your nose in it? It's mearly a viewpoint, do you take offense because you too are embarassed about it? Do you think it should be swept under the carpet and forgotten? Salmon is a put and take fish and I have smoked my fair share.
Shep tell me one guide you know of that takes limits upon limits day after day over and over as stacker claims? I want to hire him!
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| Embarrassed? no.
Are you embarrassed to admitt you are an anti-tournament person? |
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| Here, Tyee. Make a few phone calls, I'm sure one of these guides will put you on a limit of fish.
http://www.lake-link.com/businesses/business_category.cfm?BusinessT... |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | You know them. I watched one take out morning clients and get a 4 guy limit and a after noon crowd and get another 4 guy limit. And he did that more days than 1. I will not name names. But when the walleyes come down the river, its easy money and everyone of them guys take advantage. Oh ya, its not illegal either.
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| I also know a few guides that are taking clients out and getting limits. I watched them this fall on the river big time. I won't name any names because that would be rude. I will say this, more fish are killed from the everyday angler then both Otterstreet and Merc put together. I have fished both for years and then got out. Starting to get back into Otter Street again and when I'm pre fishing for them they all go back. When I'm not and just out with the wife and kids,they mostly go in the pan. |
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| ok... NOUMBER ONE and again i love you guys! BUT show me some data that says the Merc tourny or otter street lost 50% of its catch? if this data is published... the i would have to say its crap! the last year with the VHS threat fish there were tournaments that pulled any walleye with any type of blemmish that could possibly resemble VHS ... not sure cant remember if it was durring walleye weekend or otter street but if you are going to use noumbers of dead fish based on fish killed not by anglers or livewells but by choice at the weigh in holding tank then your just one more person useing INCOMPLETE or partial data to further an argument ... im tired of half the information used to argue a point .. i see it every day in some way or another... are you saying that the merc and otter lost that half of the fish braught in by tournament anglers? or what? news to me? |
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Location: Omro,Wi. | I know I will probably regret this....but here goes. I am a guide, and I will truthfully tell you guys that I want my clients to get their limit. After all they are paying for the priviledge to do so. Why are they different than the friends I take out? Or any local guy fishing with his family? I also put the same restrictions on them (clients) as myself and friends. One fish for the wall, and eyes over 20" inches go back. I have never had any client that said "no" to the advise and wanted to keep everything they caught. Tournaments kill fish..."yes" , but so do the locals that fish every day. Nobody reading this has not had 4 fish and not tried for the 5th, come on guys. We all fish more when the bite is "hot" than when it's slow. Humon nature is responsible for the competitive streak we all have. When the challenge to get a limit or win the tournament is gone, I'll quit fishing. So take your best shot. Hafe |
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Location: Berlin | Hafe, you and every other guide has been doing this for decades and yet the system is as good as it has ever been. There is NOTHING wrong with it.
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| Bradley. I didn't say that merc or otter street lost 50% of there fish. I said the every day angler or non tournament people, kill more walleyes then both tournaments put together. In fact all the years I fished those tourneys the release rate was never comunicated to us. I had 9 years in merc and 11 in otter street. But I would say from what I seen was most were realeased during the tournament and I know all were released in my boat prefishing. |
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| George, no I did not know that. I thought it was still 5 per person, that is great news if it is the case.
Bradley, here is the data from 2006 it is very similar to that of '07.
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| So, in two of the largest walleye tourneys, 900 fish went to food pantrys. Another 500? were said to have suffered from delayed mortality? While I disagree wth that estimate, for the purpose of this discussion, I will go along with that. So, 600+ anglers killed 1400 fish, of which 500 maybe went to waste. The only number here that concerns me would be the 500 fish floating after those tourneys, and I can confidently say it was nowhere near that many. Some floaters, yes, but 500? I think you would have heard and seen reports of this on the local news. Besides, how many fish are tossed in the garbage during the annual spring freezer cleaning every year. I bet it's way more than 500!
I do think that the promoters of these, and any tourneys should make a big deal out of the donation of nonreleasable fish to the food banks. Provide info like who cleans them, which food pantry's they go to, how many hungry mouths they feed, etc.
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| I think Shep meant to say "1200 anglers (not 600) killed 1400 fish".... |
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Location: Berlin | I think what Shep meant to say was "just over 1200 anglers killed 1400 fish in 4 days".
This is equal to about 15 minutes on a sunday afternoon during the spring run by the locals. |
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| Yup, my goof. I was thinking boats. Just a fraction of the number that gets killed on an average spring day by the recreational anglers. And don't try to tell me they don't waste any fish. |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | I can almost see the spit flying from sheps lips as he say "...and dont tell me they dont waste any fish" hahahahahahaha.
There is one thing that is for certain, give the dinks nothing! The guys who want to shut down portions of fishing, or anything else for that matter, that do not pertain to there interests in that segment of recreation need to be very careful, because for now we have numbers to fight with against the dinks. However, when a segment is gone, there are less numbers to fight with and the anti-wolfs will circle and kill. Dinks = anti's.
I said it earlier, and I will say it again, The guides will be the next to get attacked. They help others to kill many more fish than tournaments. They use the resource in the same manner as tournaments and take many more fish and resources from the general public. The guide numbers are few and could be crushed relatively easy. If you dont think so......just see what they did just a few years ago with the federal water way and the captains licenses. That was master minded by greed from with in the guide society, one of there own promoted it. Live with the sword, die by the sword. Green is good, but don't get Gore'd!! |
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| Perspective:
In 2008, I estimate I filleted 100 walleye from the Winnebago system, and maybe another 25 were kept by people fishing from my boat. Find one other angler like me, and between just the two of us, we've killed about as many walleye as the Merc did.
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| oh and speaking of the good hatch and good work our walleyes for tommorow and other clubs have been doing... DID ANYONE NOTICE HOW MANY 5 OR 6 INCH WALLEYES ARE IN THE LAKE? THERE EVERYWHERE!!! AND THERE MEAN AS HECK! THEY HAVE TEETH AND THERE EATING SWEEDISH PIMPLES ALMOST AS BIG AS THEY ARE! THEN YOU TAKE EM OFF THE HOOK AND THEY GO FOR YOUR TROAT LIKE A HOROR MOVEIE! WHEN YOU LET THEM BACK DOWN THE HOLE YOU CAN ALMOST HEAR THEM TALKING TRASH TO YOU.? ALL OVER THE DARN PLACE! GIVE IT A COUPLE YEARS BOYS.. WERE GONNA HAVE A HECK OF A TIME DOING ENOUGH CRAWLERING TO KEEP THEM FED! OH AND THEY ALSO TOLD ME THEY PREF LIVE BAIT TO THE FAKE STUFF BUT A NOUMBER 7 SHAD-RAP IN THE LAKE OR A BABY THUNDERSTICK IN POYGAN IS GOING WILL WORK... PLEASE NO GULP LOL.... |
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Location: Menasha, WI | Been catching those 5"ers like crazy. I have yet to have one go for my throat though. i'll be a little more cautious, thanks for the warning Brrdley  Great sign for the future. |
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | I haven't been following this thread until now, but there's a lot of great stuff here with many facts and lessons being learned.....great stuff guys!!! |
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| Folks,
I only posted the mortality because someone questioned my statements, I agree with all of you about what this means, how we feed the hungry, locals kill more fish, tournaments do not have a biological impact on the fishery...and on and on. and all that is good so don't shoot the messenger.
What it clearly shows to the uneducated "anti" (I'll refrain from the other insulting slang mentioned") is that we have work to do in improving our image. weather it be a kill tourney, better promotion of the way the dead fish are utilized, reducing bag limits, or going to a catch and immediate release format are all good things. by going on the defensive and claiming that we are better because we don't kill as many as the "average joe" seems like the hollier than thou approach and should be rephrased to include all the other good things we do in our message to the public as mentioned about better promotion of the food pantries etc..
Good Luck
Tyee
Viking, nice meeting you this past weekend, those 5"ers are everywhere and a sign of great things ahead for the Winnebago system.
Edited by tyee 1/28/2009 9:52 AM
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| Those 5 inchers are from last years hatch. And it looks like this year will be a repeat of last year. Two great hatches in a row. I can't imagine what this system is going to be like in 5-10 years! |
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Location: Berlin | Not good if this Thumper character ever learns how to catch a walleye. My God, he kills half as many walleye as Walleye Weekend by himself! |
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| He's unteachable. I prefished with him last year before the Merc, and he couldn't catch anything! I think the walleyes are safe! |
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| Shep - 1/28/2009 11:32 AM
He's unteachable. I prefished with him last year before the Merc, and he couldn't catch anything! I think the walleyes are safe! AS somone who is also unteachable this brings up a nother interesting theory... Since we have all been pulling the Dumb fish out of lake winnabaggo for the past 20 years im finding it harder to catch them.. i think Geneticaly the fish are getting smarter with the dumb ones taken out of the spawning pool over the years... not easily tricked in the ice like the old days and not just roaming the lake in massive schools . smaller pods yes and sneaky... has anyone noticed this? we are getting pretty high teck with our 50 grand riggs and side finder sonar and cameras great looking crank baits and Gps coordinates for the hone holes... yet though i have plenty of table fair and trip over a limmit of Dumb ones threw the course of the morning it shouldnt be this much work... is it possible we are creating a generation of fish that know how to get threw the spawn run alive and live places and eat things that few anglers target? hmmm? |
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| Aww c'mon Bradley. You, unteachable?
You almost had all of the capital letters in the right places on your post.
That's HUGE progress!!
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Location: Berlin | Interesting view point Bradley and here is my take. We as fisherman with all our high tech gadgets sometimes over-think things. The other reason is the pure amount of baitfish. It has just been harder to catch a fish that can eat whenever it wants.
I have heard reports that the shad population is way down and the bite is considerably better then years past. I don't ice fish so I cannot attest to this but we will find out for sure in a few months. |
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| mrmodog - 1/28/2009 12:51 PM
Aww c'mon Bradley. You, unteachable?
You almost had all of the capital letters in the right places on your post.
That's HUGE progress!!
HECK IM 41 YEARS OLD AND MY WIFE STILL MAKES ME USE THOSE LITTLE CLIPPY BUNJI CORD THINGS THAT GO FROM MY JACKET TO MY MITTENS . STILL HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO BUT THE GOODNEWS IS MY BOSS GOT QUALIFIED FOR HIS TAX EXEMPTION AND WAGE MATCH FOR GIVEING ME A JOB SO THE COMPANY IS SOUND! |
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| What? the dumb ones are all getting caught?
damn that shoots my theory all to heck.......Bradley, they have brains the size of a pea.....don't over think it. |
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| Shep - 1/28/2009 11:32 AM
I prefished with him last year before the Merc, and I couldn't catch anything! /QUOTE]
fixed Edited by thumper 1/29/2009 7:29 AM
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| hehehe
I'm getting hammered ny MoDog and Thumper today! hehehe |
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| Actually Merc had 310 boats last year and Otter Street had about 330-340 so you can add additional anglers to the equation too! I don't believe the kill was so bad in Otter Street tourney last year either. Speaking of Otter Strret, everyone should make sure to get to their Fisheree on Saturday Feb. 7th at Millers Bay in Oshkosh. This is a huge fund raiser for them and with all of the ice this year, it should be great! God knows they do enough for all of us fisherman whether we fish tournaments or are just a weekend warrior! Our system wouldn't be nearly as awesome as it is without this club!! |
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