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| jim peterson gets fined $500 for getting to close to jim carrol at the championship.. how can someone say he was to close,and i want a tissue.. then for the aim generals to say, i believe you that " if you seen another boat jim, as far as you could see, since the lake is yours, lets fine them..just for you "
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| this was NOT at the championship, it was at the green bay event. From what i know the AIM staff went as far as to look at the anglers GPS's before making a decision, and a decision was made to implement a small fine. |
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Location: Rhinelander | I'll confirm this with AIM and with Jim if he wishes and post the information as an article.
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Location: Green Bay, WI | Thanks for looking into it Steve. I know Jim and his MWS partner and all I can say is they're stand up guys. I know in the heat of battle we can make bad decisions so if something did happen such as that, I can only speculate that a bad decision was made.
I've made bad decisions under pressure myself and was roasted pretty good on the forums, so all I can say is lets not humiliate any more than already has been.
Enjoy the fall and good fishing to all.
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| Pretty Easy. - 9/11/2010 12:59 PM
Ask the Messenger who told Pharaoh (after the 6th plague on Egypt that Mosses was in the lobby waiting to see him. :o
This aint Egypt.....my point is this specific topic seems to be a completely valid discussion point. However the tone of the original post and the apparent intent behind it are why, I would suspect, the poster was anonymous.
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Location: Menominee MI | Guest - 9/12/2010 7:22 PM
Pretty Easy. - 9/11/2010 12:59 PM
Ask the Messenger who told Pharaoh (after the 6th plague on Egypt that Mosses was in the lobby waiting to see him. :o
This aint Egypt.....my point is this specific topic seems to be a completely valid discussion point. However the tone of the original post and the apparent intent behind it are why, I would suspect, the poster was anonymous.
I've been in this game since before 1989 when I fished my first walleye tourney.....if you have something to say, say it. But don't hide.
And to not look like a hypocrite, the post titled "Guest" was mine...I goofed when posting and did not log in first....
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| Can somebody shed some light on this with any detail? Was there a fine? Was there a rule infraction? What's the story?
These stories are part of the sport, tell 'em. THE FANS WANT TO KNOW!!!! |
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Location: Rhinelander | WalleyeFIRST contacted AIM officials today, requesting details of this incident. Scott Matheson, AIM CEO, reported that there was indeed an issue, and it was handled according to AIM rules section 1, subsection B, paragraph 6, under the authority of the AIM Tournament Director.
According to AIM officials, Pro Jim Carroll, who was in contention to win the event, was working a specific piece of structure, and according to his data and witnesses had been fishing that water the entire event. When Pro Jim Peterson, who was also in the top of the field in the standings worked through the area, he intersected with Mr. Carroll's path, closely enough so that the two Pros 'spoke' on the water. Mr. Peterson moved out of the area, and upon arriving at the weigh in, immediately informed officials he had unintentionally/apparently approached too closely to another Pro on the water, and that there would possibly be a problem.
AIM officials said Mr. Peterson handled the situation is an extremely professional manner despite some agitation from others. Both he and Mr. Carroll maintained the necessary and required professional decorum throughout the dispute. AIM investigated the content of the protest filed, spoke to all who had information involving the unintentional rules infraction, and come to a decision based upon that information.
AIM officials said today that Mr. Peterson, although not 100% in agreement with the decision, agreed that the decision was understandable, and that he accepted the fine as consequence of his actions on the water, and was looking forward to fishing the AIM events again in 2011.
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A personal observation:
I've been covering pro Walleye events for WF for about 8 years, and have seen this sort of thing happen many times. I clearly remember an FLW where a Green Bay Pro unintentionally ran across another Pro very close, and disrupted that Pro's fishing. That incident was handled in a manner consistent with FLW rules as well, and both Pros behaved extremely professionally during the process.
Rules are in place to handle this sort of thing, and of course and were hardly 'added on' if one takes the time to look at them. When in the heat of the 'battle' on the water, emotions run high and tempers will flare. It's important to remember the dispute was between Pros, not the anglers and the Circuit in a case like this one.
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Location: Badgerland | :P WOW... all that was missing was some butterflies, rainbows and fuzzy bunnies, I was @ the weighin and overheard first hand what went down, I'll stick with my original opinion. Scott should write for Barrack if I didn't know better I could be convinced the Stimulous Package is working... |
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Location: Rhinelander | What do you want, that both sides were upset? That's obvious, YET both handled themselves well enough to result in the consequences as described. The person I observed as being the most agitated posted this thread anonymously, so it appears that person doesn't want to be openly attached to this debate. I'll respect that.
If this had been handled worse by anyone involved, the consequences would have been worse...for both Pros and AIM.
Scott didn't write this, Troy, I did. I reported what information I was able to get without sensationalistic tripe attached. OFM saw some of the disagreement too, but that was the 'heat of the moment', and passed quickly. The comments in the first post insinuate favoritism and 'mishandling' of the protest by AIM officials, and the evidence from witnesses on the water and does not. WalleyeFIRST is responding as much to the AIM 'comments' in the original post as the actual incident on the water.
'When in the heat of the 'battle' on the water, emotions run high and tempers will flare. It's important to remember the dispute was between Pros, not the anglers and the Circuit in a case like this one. '
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| Thanks for the follow up and the info, Steve.
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Location: Badgerland | PLEASE STAND BY.
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| I have been following this post for several days. Maybe this post will help clear the air. First of all I was the co-angler fishing with Jim Peterson. I have fished tourneys for almost ten years on the big river and now am a full time fishing guide.
Jim Peterson was a first class guy to spend a day with in the boat, and Jim has a vast knowledge of the waters in Green Bay.
Here is a little background on the days events. We had recorded five fish on the card when we laid down our boards on a set of waypoints for our third trolling run of the day. There was a boat off in the horizon to the north of our location. We needed two fish to finish out a limit. I am guessing this trolling run was at least a mile to maybe two miles long. We picked up two fish on that run to finish our limit. At what point we caught those two fish I do not remember. We were trolling faster than most boats and we would eventully catch up and pass other boats that were trolling slower. At the point we caught up with a South Dakota boat there was a few words exchanged. Neither Jim or I knew which South Dakota boat it was or who the Pro was driving the boat. With a limit on the card we decided to pull up the boards and try to upgrade our fish. The South Dakota boat approached us mentioned we were on his trolling run. We moved over three hundred yards made a trolling run and then pulled up and left the area. Jim decide to run and gun and fish his waypoints for an upgrade. Being Jim is a local guy his graph is loaded with waypoints. Several missed fish later the day was over and we headed in. There was some words exchanged at the weigh in, but that is part of life. Any of us who have been through the tourney scene knows it happens.
My solid opinion is, this small incident in know way changed the outcome of the tourney. It is just something that happened and end of story.
On a more positive note I was really impressed with the Aim format. I think every circut should follow suit with the CRR method. My two sons also fished and they were luckey enough to spend a day with guys like Gary Parson and Mike Gofron. My son Trevor still talks about the fish that he was trying to net for the eventual winner RBB. Tangled up between the motors on championship day. Not much pressure netting fish for a guy about to win 30,000 bucks.
I hope this post helps clear the air and extinguish the fires that never happened.
P. S. This will be my only post on this subject.
Good Fishing
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Location: Rhinelander | Terry, thank you for stepping forward with the information. |
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Location: Appleton wi | Ok I am having a hard tiime understanding why this is a issue . I think aim was wrong for docking some weight on this guy. So if i fish the aim and see another boat i should high tail it and get out of the area even though it may be a 2 mile spot and now the other boat has exclusive right to be there? |
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Location: Rhinelander | AIM didn't dock any weight; a small fine was imposed. The protest was one Pro ran past another Pro on a trolling run, apparently on the same run, and apparently close enough to talk to each other. A protest was filed, everything was looked into, and the fine was the result.
It seems both pros feel they did nothing wrong, which should be of no surprise to anyone. Disputes on the water happen in fishing tournaments, rules are in place to handle those disputes, and this one was handled as reported. Neither Pro is complaining here, and I don't expect either will. |
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| "The South Dakota boat approached us mentioned we were on his trolling run."
This is not exactly like having a marker buoy out where you have, in effect, staked a claim to area, structure, spot on spot, etc. and where encroachment by some other boat is readily recognized. Is the issue ownership of a "trolling run" or is the issue lack of maintaining the proper distance from another boat by an overtaking boat? Seems to me it is the latter. How long can a trolling run be and still claim ownership? Can a trolling run even be owned? I hadn't thought so but maybe I am wrong on this one. However, I give way and provide plenty of clearance if I am an overtaking boat and have to go around someone ahead of me. Fishing Lake Erie can seem a traffic nightmare during a tournament with boats going in all kinds of directions but there are rules to follow in regard to who gives way.
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Location: Appleton wi | This reminds of a time i was fishing the bay on the east side along a very large structure and there was one other boat who throw out 2 marker buoy's that were about .5 miles apart. His buoy's also happen to be right in line with 6 waypoints that i have caught fish on in the past . When he decidedto pull lines to come back to repeat his troll he felt he needed to come by and let me know that he was here first and I shouldnt be fishing any where near his buoy's! I gotto laugh, some poeple think they own the world and they are first person who caught fish in a certain area or because they prefished area 3 days before a tourny .
The scenerio that is explained above has happened a gazilion times in tourny's and isnt worthy to be complained about! IMHO |
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Location: Badgerland | eye Lunker - 9/15/2010 12:39 PM
The scenerio that is explained above has happened a gazilion times in tourny's and isnt worthy to be complained about! IMHO[/QUOTE
EXACTLY... KEY WORDS "scenerio that is explained above" By the guy who wasnt in control of the boat and wouldn't exactly know where or what was playing out in the drivers mind. You really think he was going to tell him, "Ya Carrol is on some big fish and I know the structure he's working so were going to jump on his pass." IF he was thinkin that IDK. It's amazing how some of you guys are jumpin on the mob mentality "the big shot must be wrong about what happened" |
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Location: Appleton wi | EXACTLY... KEY WORDS "scenerio that is explained above" By the guy who wasnt in control of the boat and wouldn't exactly know where or what was playing out in the drivers mind. You really think he was going to tell him, "Ya Carrol is on some big fish and I know the structure he's working so were going to jump on his pass." IF he was thinkin that IDK. It's amazing how some of you guys are jumpin on the mob mentality "the big shot must be wrong about what happened"
YES I THINK ITS WRONG TO JUMP ON A THREAD AND HIDE BEHIND A GUESS NAME AND MAKE ACCUSATIONS THAT THIS PERSON CHEATED OR WAS TAIL GATING.
JUST EXACTLY WHAT BIG SHOT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I ONLY KNOW 2 AND
STACKER AND RICH S. neither one was FISHING THAT DAY!
620, I hope some day you do well in tourny's and win one and i hope i win one some day too . Infact i hope everyone wins one someday. Hopefull when that day comes for you no one rains on your parade or passes on information that is derrogatory or not true about you and instead enjoying the brief moment of glory you have to spend your last bit of energy with negative false information that someone thought they heard or heard from a friend who heard it from a friend who was in the back row of the audience watching the weight in
RLS
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Location: Badgerland | "false information that someone thought they heard or heard from a friend who heard it from a friend who was in the back row of the audience watching the weight in" yes if this were the case in either of these incidents...
Amen if someone did that to me I would appreciate if they got thier info from the front row... and back @ ya on the well wishes, hope they come in handy @ this weekends event. |
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Location: Rhinelander | We are there on-site at many events and see and hear it all, pretty much. Most times, it's not what actually happened when one lines it all up and measures distance, intent, and consequence/effect; it's what each party involved believes (as in personal perception) happened. 'Heat of the moment' and not being in both boats at once listening and watching creates opportunity for a hell of allot of misunderstanding.
What's unfortunate for the sport is that 'camps' form up comprised of folks who support one point of view or another, and instead of finding out what each Pro was thinking and doing, post a bunch of assumptive, inflammatory, and even rude statements based on nothing more than " I heard".
Most times no one in a dispute like this one is 100% 'right'.
What's important for us as 'fans' to understand is how the process works, how personalities and styles collide, and what the sparks that might fly for awhile really, ultimately, actually mean.
What's important for the Pros to measure is how the 'fans' and media will react to their behavior/image/demeanor on and off the water; that ultimately is what a sponsor or potential promotional partner sees day to day. The assumption by some in the 'peanut gallery' is that the Pros don't comment on the message boards about this sort of stuff because they are prohibited to, and that's bunk. If the Pros are well versed in understanding the way this works, they will act in their own best interest, (and in this case HAVE) behave as consummate professionals, and stay out of train wreck internet message board 'free for alls'.
Hopefully, the trains won't run off the track much here.
It's a rainy crappy day, so I'm waxing philosophic..
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| This thread aroused my curiosity enough that I went to the AIM website and read the official tournament rules from beginning to end. There are no definitions of what would be construed as "unwarranted encroachment" on another tournament angler. There is nothing written about use of a marker buoy to establish an exclusive fishing area.
No wonder both professional anglers feel they've done nothing wrong. Could this possibly merit more clarity in the rules? Were I to know that I have to maintain 150' clearance from another tournament boat, I think I'd try to stay far enough away that there would never be a question of encroachment. |
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| My first impression is I don't necessarily believe any of what is written on a web site. Best I can tell most is hearsay or guessing, very little by the way of facts.
If there in fact was a rules violation it's between the involved parties and the tournament organization.
As far as deleting posts go..........hey If I wanted to control content I would have my own site. Nothing stopping any of us from starting our own site and running it as we see fit. For that matter nobody has a gun to anybodies head making them come here either. |
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Location: Badgerland | sworrall - 9/15/2010 3:29 PM
It's a rainy crappy day , so I'm waxing philosophic..
you forgot to say "AGAIN" after It's a rainy crappy day.
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you're a great waxer and philosophicalererer person, I don't care what anyone blogs!
Wait a second...I thought Sconnie muskies liked rainy weather, now get out there and send me some pics.
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Location: Rhinelander | KJK, Good to hear from you, sir...I need to fish some. Simply haven't been! |
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| "JUST EXACTLY WHAT BIG SHOT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I ONLY KNOW 2 AND
STACKER AND RICH S. neither one was FISHING THAT DAY! "
HAHAHAHA I've read it all!!!!! That's funny stuff, Ritch. |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | Jayman - 9/16/2010 9:17 AM
"JUST EXACTLY WHAT BIG SHOT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I ONLY KNOW 2 AND
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HAHAHAHA I've read it all!!!!! That's funny stuff, Ritch.
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Location: Rhinelander | CRR. A good thing.
Angler owned, a good thing.
Angler managed, an obvious thing.
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| Looks like Mark Martin with a nice 28 inch fish.
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| I like tournaments, not interested in competing, but enjoy reading about them, following the results etc. and think that they are generally a good thing for walleye fishing and the communities where they are held. As a fairly well-informed fan, I'm all for letting AIM figure out how to run their own tourneys. The whole core of AIM seems to be "Angler Initiative", with good ideas like the CRR and high tech coverage. My opinion is, let them figure out their direction, and leave the Monday morning quarterbacking to football results. Anything else seems pretty whiney to me. |
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Location: Rhinelander | Guest,
I agree. I also would challenge those who were not even close to being there who are willing to convict a Pro or Team of unsportsmanlike conduct to call each person they intend to bash and get their perspective. The 'anglers' or 'fans' who self righteously beat the hell out of someone they don't even know on the 'boards' because they 'heard from a Pro' or 'heard from someone' need to quit watching so many soap operas on daytime TV.
If indeed a Pro or Team did 'misbehave', a protest would be in order from the victim 'Pro' or 'Team' and the outcome of that protest should be accepted as what the Circuit says ACTUALLY happened after careful investigation. If none is filed and that Pro or Team goes public on the 'gossip' boards trying to impugn the reputation of the persons they 'THINK' offended them, that in my mind is eighth grade behavior by supposedly grown men. For cripes sake, if a complaint is real, make it so.
And that protest and decision would be the 'BIG story' some think would help acquire new fans. 'Gossip' that may not be actually the whole story, and might harm someone who doesn't deserve it sucks, hurts the sport, and isn't the way to promote competitive angling.
Sure, gossip of that genre will happen, but there's a place for it. Bars, for example. A copyrighted publication is NOT the place for it, for more reasons than I can list here.
Maybe someone should start a Pro angling Gossip Blog, unmoderated and listed as such so each post is the property of the person who posts it. Bet the advertisers would flock to it.
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Location: Berlin | Well said Steve.
Mark and I had witnessed what we thought was inappropriate behavior the 2nd day of an MWC event. It put us both in a foul mood for the rest ofthe day on the water. When we got to the weigh-in we started the protest procedure and quickly found out the reason behind their actions. They were instructed to do what they did by the tournament director and the whole situation was explained to us and turned out to be nothing. Had we not gone through the proper channels we would have been on these boards chastising this team for their actions without knowing the entire truth.
Always important to get all the facts before making negative public statements about somebody. These rumors get back to sponsors you can potentially have a negative impact on these guy's lives.
Lets try hugging instead of hating. Lets just hold one another until the pain is gone. So many problems in this world could be solved with hugs. To AIM, FLW, MWC and all other tournament directors-Start out the rules meeting with a group hug follwed by a 3 second pause. Give these guys a chance to spread the love to one another. Just a thought |
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| Oh come on, Steve. I'm not a fan of Neckcar, but I sure do enjoy the highlights of one driver beating the hell out of another driver in the pits. That's news worthy.
To the best of my knowledge AIM has handed out the first fine in relation to pro fishing and the interaction between pros. Maybe I'm way off the mark, but to me as a fan, that is news worthy. Boring to the rest of the world, but news worthy to a walleye fan. I say tell the stories, it's what makes up the sport. |
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Location: Rhinelander | And the story was told. Accurately as is possible without sensationalizing.
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Location: Rhinelander | It is now. I just coined it, and I like it, too. I have sensationalized sensationalization of the word.
I did correct the above just for you.
And there you have it.
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Location: Neenah, WI | Sensational use of the word, Steve. It put me into a constant state of sensationalized sensationalization. |
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| Okay here is my 2 cents. I also was a co-angler in this event and I fished with John Schneider on days 1 & 3 and Perry Good on day 2. John and Chad Schilling were fishing on the same area for almost the entire tournament. John finished 3rd to Robert and Jim Carrol. I seen the passes Jim Carrol was making on those days I was with John because they were on the inside of where we were. He made the same passes on the same area for 3 days straight. Now I also fish events also and I have had to share space on a hot pod of fish more than once.....But I also heard the reports of what happen from all invovled on that day Jim Carrol was not very happy about the situation one bit. The amount of distance one gives another angler and the fact that you may interupt a guys trolling pass has to be taken into effect. Some close distances were experienced but of those days I was near Jim Carrol and his trolling lines there was no one around him ever till Mr. Petersen pushed the distance limit. The funny thing was Chad and John would have playful banter trolling next to each other and they shared the area without messing with the others lines. That's all you got to really do is don't spook the fish for the next guy. Mr. Petersen got involved on that final day and did interrupt the pass by getting directly on Jim Carrol's pass to close. There are rules for a reason and respecting the other guy is just as important as trying to win it sometimes. Green Bay had a good bite even with the excessive wind for the tourny lots of water to be had by all. Look at Blosser he pounded waves made the longest run and had to put up with perch fishermen.....LOL Good luck fishing....Cam lewis
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