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Location: Green Bay, WI | Does anyone know how many boats they have for Otter Street? Thanks, Doug
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Location: Neenah, WI | Last week it was at 180. |
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| Until they restructure the payout or increase the entry fee this tournament will slowly die. And don't get me wrong, probably the finest run tournament I have ever been in. Just no money in it. |
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Location: Neenah, WI | True enough. I think the anglers are secondary to the club raising funds. I never liked the fact that we pay for "memorabilia" that is just cheap trinkets. Last year we each got a little LED flashlight and neither one worked. Made in China junk jacknives and such is a slap in the face. A couple of years ago we got an outdoor magazine that was 6 months old along with the other junk.
We're just about done but are fishing this year. I understand why they hold 20%. They do good things like docks and fishing piers, that's not a bad thing but...
We've cashed a lot of years but something has to be done to improve payouts. We finishe in the low teens a few years ago in a 310-to 320 boat field and got something like 450 bucks. Pretty sad.
I don't have the answers but I do know this- if it keeps going in the direction it's headed in now, the tournament will fade away, and that will be sad. They'll be butchering the goose that lays the golden eggs.
We've fished tournament all over the place including the MWC, PWT and RCL. Otter Street is by far the best in terms of great volunteers to help the anglers. From check in to launching and loading boats they go above and beyond other events.
We've also been members for many years. Let's hope they come up with a plan to restore this tournament to it's former stature.
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| Can't do it with just entry fees. A tourney like this should have a MAJOR sponsor, and a bunch of associate sponsors. This was once a prestigious event to enter. I think it's importance in the grand scheme of tournies is dwindling, along with the number of entrants. I remember just a few years ago, it was basiclly filled to 320 in one postmark day.
I hope Otter Street does some sole searching, and comes up with a good plan to keep this tourney goin in the future. Some great sticks fish is, and it's always fun to see the results. |
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Location: Berlin | I could see somebody like JJ Keller making a big difference with this event. I would think it would be right up their alley. |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | So, for years they had people waiting in line to fish this event. For years they had a structured payout that was not top heavy, however it spread the cash out to more fisherman and payed deeper. Is this true so far?
What are they doing different today to the cash than what they have always done?
This is a fund raiser for the Otter Street fishing club, right? |
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| For years they had 340-350 teams but never paid more !!! Couple years back they have a little under 310 and first place gets alot less you wonder why nobody fishes it!!!!  |
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| I used to fish it every year and got sick of the weak payout with more and more boats so haven't fished it in a few years and won't. I think its too far gone and will never be even close to what it was. Once you lose your audience its hard to get them back.
Perhaps verizon should sponsor this derby because that is another problem in this one. |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | sam - 5/9/2012 8:47 PM
For years they had 340-350 teams but never paid more !!! Couple years back they have a little under 310 and first place gets alot less you wonder why nobody fishes it!!!! :(
So you say that they pay 80% back. When they had 340 teams they did not pay anymore CASH than they do now? Is that what you are saying? If so, do you know what percentage was being paid back in the past? It must have been less. I am just trying to understand how they have changed the game.
Adding the numbers:
300 boats at 300 bucks a boat is 90K. 80% of that is 72K. 20% of the field gets a check that equates to 60 places getting paid. 12k for first is removed. 60K left. How would you like to see that money divided? 2nd=7k 3rd=3k 4th=2k 5th=1k? That takes 13k out of 60k leaves 47K for 55 teams? Divide it evenly?855 each? Is that fair? Give them a better idea.
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| Isnt merc national suffering from lack of entries also? |
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| Dale, you placed in the teens and recieved $100 more than the entry fee? I dont think thats so bad. |
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| Stacker sounds like you have bur in your shorts! The merc only had couple spots left the last I had heard. |
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| The upper lakes and rivers should be included too; because I know more anglers would enter the Otter Street tournament if they did open up the whole system.
Edited by Bagoski 5/10/2012 12:37 PM
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| put the same pay out as merc and ther wont be a problem. 17th place 348 boats 550 dollars what a joke. get off your buts and get some good sponsers. They cant even get a kicker moter any more 4 big fish. what dose that tell you. its is sad I like fishing this tourny but it is coming to a end. |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | hahahahah I aint got no burr in my shorts. I aint never fished it. I was just trying to get an understanding of what might have changed. It appears as though nothing has changed, just that people want to make more money when they cash a check.
Would you guys still be screaming if they only payed the money to 10% of the field so the checks were bigger?
Remember this is a fund raiser for the club as well, so if they get sponsors that should go into the clubs pot. |
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| Stacker what I'm saying is that when they had 342 teams they still paid 13000 for first place. They took in another 10000 that should of been paid out in prize money. That's why alot of teams will not fish it!!! |
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| Stacker, 300 teams pay top 10 percent, that would mean pay the top 30 boats with bigger checks. That would be a lot better than what they are doing now! Yes I would start fishing it again. |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | sam - 5/10/2012 4:09 PM
Stacker what I'm saying is that when they had 342 teams they still paid 13000 for first place. They took in another 10000 that should of been paid out in prize money. That's why alot of teams will not fish it!!!
I did not know that is what they did. |
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Location: Neenah, WI | Here's the entry breakdown: 260 entry fee, 60 conservation fee, 20 big fish pot, 10 memoribilia fee, that's 350. 80% cash payback guaranteed. I believe payout is based on 300 boats, anything above that the club KEEPS IT ALL!!!!!! To me that's wrong. I'm not sure but I think the most they've ever had was 320 boats.
In years gone by they gave out lots of prizes to the teams in the form of fishing stuff like rods and reels etc. They also had a couple of mercury kicker motors for big fish. Now Mercury gives two 750 buck rebates to the 1st place team toward purchase of a new v6 motor. Now, most of the boats in the field run Mercs and that's the best they can do?
The real money is in the top 5 with 12 or 13K for 1st based on 300 boats. I think 5th would be about a grand. I might be a little off but not by much. There are many top notch teams in this tournament and I can't understand why fishing and non fishing related companies aren't more involved. Did the club get lazy and didn't seek out more sponsorship? I can't answer that. It just seems to me that they could do better.
Guest, yup, I think we should have gotten more than 450 for (I think) 14th place. We beat nearly 300 other teams and ended up losing money after you factor in fuel, bait etc. I aint grousin'. Just think it could be better. I think with 300 teams they paid the top 70.
I don't want to see this tournament go away, there are a lot of teams that only fish this event. Lots of husband/wife, father and son or daughter teams. In many families it's a yearly tradition. I just think the club could do better and I sure hope they do.This tournament has been around too long to just let it die off. Maybe it needs a few new sets of eyes and an infusion of new ideas. |
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| Not to egg u guys on but your figures r wrong.. some ppl pay 450 for entry. There is a early fee of 350 then if u miss that it goes up 100$.. |
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Location: Rhinelander | I think you folks may get your wish, just not the way you want to. Stand by for 2013. |
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| Rummer has it this is the last year for the tournament.
The people that run it don't like the wineing that they don't pay out like the merc.
Just to let them know.
The fishermen will not wine if you pay out 80% to 20% of all entries recieved.
Not just the first 300.
That is what they are ticked about.
300 Pay 60 place's
400 Pay 80 Places
And so forth.
It's simple math.
It's a great tournament run by some great people I think over time it has been forgotten that the fishermen still make up the field.
I for one hope it continues. |
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| The club does great things for the system, and I think anglers want Otter Street to be successful.
I just can't figure out why this isn't a win-win situation. |
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| I hope the tournament stays around until I can fish it with my son.
Blair
Edited by Lucky Loon 6/12/2012 8:13 AM
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| I fished it for years, back 2 years in a row place 6th and 13th there is not enough money in it I think you should only pay out the top 25 not everone needs to win money.You don"t see bass tournaments paying that far back.With the price of gas and pre-fishing you got to get into the top 10 to make your money back.I would rather loose my 350 for a chance to get in the top 25 to when more money.Who cares if you came in 50th place its not like your bragging about it anyway.I will not fish it again until they make some changes.Other than that they a class a tournament and always have.Good luck to everyone in it. |
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| Sounds like this was the last year. Heard they may do a battle on bago style sunmer tourny. |
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Otter Street?