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Location: Rhinelander | http://walleye.outdoorsfirst.com/articles/10.31.2012/5308/EVINRUDE.... |
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Location: Berlin | So what is the verdict? Is this going to be a good thing or a bad thing? I guess we will not know until the numbers come out next year. Who knows Denny, maybe they will post the roster in a timely fashion. |
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Location: Rhinelander | Jury is out, but I welcome anything that will fill the void. |
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| It's nice that someone stepped up to fill the void left by FLW. But, I'm not sure that the NWT is the answer and here is why I say that. First prize is $57,000 is the form of a Ranger 1860. Nice boat but I already have a boat and don't need another, much less an 1860 when we fish out of 20 and 21 foot boats. Do you have time to sale it and at what price and that is one more boat that a dealer won't sale.
Also. being a Ranger thing, how much TV time will you get for your sponsors if you have a Lund, Tuffy or anything else than a Ranger?
Don't get me wrong, as I am a Ranger owner and one reason the FLW could not fill up the field is the fact that you only got TV time if you were a Ranger owner and no pictures of anything other than Ranger was used. I understand why that was the case but it also left many good sticks out because they could not get good exposure for their sponsors and this may be more of the same.
Also, the dates are not firm as some permits could not be applied for until November but odds are good that they will get those dates.
Sure would like to here your thoughts.
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Location: Rhinelander | I think it has to do with finding a way to list the prize value 'close' to what the FLW offered as the NWT searches out sponsors.
The boat/motor/trailer package cost to the bottom line is significantly less to give away than the cash for the sponsors. It's expensive to operate a circuit like this one with TV, etc. I imagine the NWT will morph quite a bit as it forms up more.
It seems the Pros will be able to wear sponsor clothing the entire event, not at all like the FLW. Looks to me like they are using contingencies like the upgrade to a 620 for Ranger owners for a win to 'encourage' anglers to run and represent sponsor products, and will allow those who don't to shine more than the FLW did. I think the TV exposure will be fairly broad, we'll see.
That said, the CNWT about selling boats and that's also an obvious influence.
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| I hope they succeed, but the fact is that most guys can't relate to $75,000 boats of any brand. |
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| Well, I'm glad you asked, Steve....I'll tell ya what I think 
Knowing that the FLW is done I think it's great that the NWT is coming. There has to be something at the pro level. Like you said anything that fills the void. Granted there is still the AIM circuit, the CRR concept is great but the number of anglers fishing AIM, suggests the model for that type of circuit is not working and questions the longevity of the AIM circuit. I think there are other factors that are burdening AIM and not the CRR concept.
The PWT VS the FLW days are over and it's a shame that the fishing community couldn't support both instead of bashing one or the other. I hope the powers to be understand this and the anglers appreciate that there is still a pro level circuit. To me it feels like that this may be the last chance for the sport of competitive walleye fishing.
I think Thumper's comment has merit too; the price of boats, electronics, equipment, etc etc. has all gone up tremendously in the last 5-10 years. It's very hard to recruit new players when the price tag is already pricey, and it's even more difficult to recruit new players, when the prizes, not cash, are tied to what you must use in order to compete. I understand exactly what you're saying when you say it's much cheaper to give away a boat vs. the cash for the retail price of the boat. If one reads between the lines they could try to dissect the cost of that boat vs. the retail value, but that is a whole 'nother topic. But the word "Greed" comes to mind.
I hope it succeeds and I hope the model of this game actually gets shaped to make competitive walleye fishing a legitimate sport.
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| I hope it suceeds as well......just to bad even in fishing that there is such heavy politics. |
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| It sounds good, but it appears to follow the same business model kind of an exclusive club for particular sponsors. Its does sound better than the FLW that only allowed their sponsors to be promoted but they paid the bills, it sounds like you wont be excluded for having brand x on. With the current economy I wonder if they will have any more anglers than they had before?
Good luck, like Steve says it fills the void. |
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Location: Rhinelander | AIM needs TV and a management/sales/marketing group not composed of the Pros to assist. |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | This void I hear about. What exactly is it? I know that AIM is still in business so it is not like there is NO top level playground. Heck, before the FLW came in and disrupted the whole thing, the PWT was doing it quite well as the only game. Not sure that there was a void created when they took there ball and quit after tearing apart the walleye world for as much cash as they could grab. Its not like they did one figleaf thing that was new that will forever be in the hearts of fisherman all over the world. |
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Location: Badgerland | I thought the FLW played the enrty fee adjustment game and finally found the right number via the entry numbers at $1250. So the CNWT comes out at $1500 after FLW went through the learning curve. I hope it works out, but I think they're off the mark.
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Location: Rhinelander | stacker,
Stand by.... |
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| Steve, you are right about the bottom line and getting close to what the FLW paid out.
Why oh why can't everyone play together. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they can but why can't we have a tournament series where all boat, motor, tackle manufacturers sponsor the series instead of just one. A series where a fisherman sponsors are appriciated I guess like NASCAR. Now I know the fishing tournament platform will never be a NASCAR but if we don't think a bit like that, how can the sport move foward. Can you imagine a series that had the sponsors like NPAA where all manufacturers are represented and a fully televised program that didn't give anyone any special consideration. WOW, makes you think a bit doesn't it?
Now about the NWT. I hope they have success as well but the entry fee raises a question. At $1500, it may be tough to get 100 boats especially since the first prize is a boat. If it was $57,000 cash, it would be a bit eaiser but still a tough challenge. At $1250, FLW couldn't get 100 boats on some tournaments and they had a cash prize.
My gut tells me that if first prize is a boat:
$1500 entry No more that 75 fisherman
$1250 entry No more than 90 fisherman
$1000 entry No more than 125 fisherman
If the $57,000 was a cash prize:
$1500 entry Around 100 fisherman
$1250 entry Around 125 fisherman
$1000 entry Maybe 175 fisherman
Lord knows I hope I'm wrong but looking at what past tournaments have been able to produce, these may be good guesses.
Now MWS does a great job with ther team series and AIM does a good job with their CRR format but there PRO-PRO-CO should be called PRO-BRO-CO or PRO-BUDDY-CO as you really don't want 2 pros in the same boat as entry would be cut down but it is a cool format that lets you fish with a buddy. Also there are a bunch of state and local level tournaments out there.
Only time will tell but I would fully support a series where all manufacturers are involved as sponsors.
All I can say for sure is I want to go fishing.
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| I know nothing has been stated on the www.nationalwalleyetour.com website but I have a slight hunch, that they may be looking at a CRR format for the new CNWT. Can anyone confirm or deny that? |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | sworrall - 11/3/2012 7:26 PM
stacker,
Stand by....
OOHH NOOO Mr. Billlllll........ sounds like some insider trading. |
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| Stand by......does not apply to Stacker after hours. Just not gonna be possible. hehehe |
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Location: Rhinelander | True enough. We'll see what shakes out of the bushes over the next few weeks. The Dog is on point.... |
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| Stacker make some noise.......some of us are getting tired of standing |
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| It's not just a 1860/150 for first place. There is also 15,000.00 cash along with the boat (based on a full field). If you run a Ranger and are signed up for the Ranger Cup contingency then the winner's boat is upgraded to a 620/250.
Just clearing that up.
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| Keri Solis sat in on the meeting at the FLW Walleye Tour Championship where this was introduced and here are the notes she took:
From BearSolis.com:
The circuit will be televised on NBC Sports (12 weeks) and Pursuit Channel (13 weeks) and they are in discussion with MAVTV.
One change from the FLW format is that there will be NO restrictions on sponsor logos. Anglers are encouraged to display the logo of those who personally support them.
There will be no cap on boats at each event and payout will be over 100%. A sample payout of a 125 boat field.
First place pro side is a fully rigged 1860 Ranger boat with a 150 hp Evinrude plus $15k cash for a value of $57k
There will be a Ranger Contingency upgrade for first place to a 620VS with an Evinrude 250, adding an additional $18k to the prize package.
Based on the same 125 boat field. Second will be 20k, 3rd 15k, 10th $6500, 31st $3000
Evinrude and Ranger Contingencies range from $500 to $1000 for the entire field. (Except first place, which is boat/motor upgrade.)
On the co side using a 125 boat field, first is $6k; 2nd $3k; 3rd $2k; 10th $1k 31st $40
Stratos and Triton will also have contingencies for places 1-20 ranging from $10k-$500
Specifics have not been nailed down on contingencies, but for planning purposes anglers should figure on at least 2009 or newer
The format will be live weigh-in.
Tournament director is TBD. While most rules are expected to remain unchanged from the FLW format, once the tournament director is in place, fine tuning (if any) will be done
In the future there may be more than three qualifiers.
It is acknowledged that some of this is new and that there is some change from what we have been used to in the walleye world. The circuit is open to ideas and thoughts.
For more details, anglers are encouraged to call 612-424-0708 or check out www.nationalwalleyetour.com |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | Jayman - 11/14/2012 12:01 PM
Stacker make some noise.......some of us are getting tired of standing :)
All I will say, Jayman, is that this changes nothing in the tourney world. However now if you win you got a boat you have to sell. They wont even give the fisherman all there money back. They are going to w-2 them with retail prices and the actual selling price of the boat they won will be way lower. Looks like the fisherman get to be the clowns in the circus again and they get to use there own money again, they just dont get it all back. Just amazing that no one in AIM can see this and fix it in there events.
Ohh and I forgot, this ain't 1979, no one ohhs and ahhs because someone won a boat.
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| Juls, thanks for the info.
Stacker, you make a great point. Win a $50K boat that one will sell for what? $30K if they're lucky? Better hope the field is full, 'cause the winner is going to need that $15k in cash.
Hehehe I bet my wife would oooh and ahhh if I won a boat, but that still don't pay the taxes on the boat! haha |
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| My turn, my turn..........57k boat with 50% taxes that sells for 30k. So whats the net profit for first place? there are only so many independantly weathy people that like to fish competatively.........I've said enough.
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Location: Rhinelander | Juls,
Thanks. The total payout was posted in a couple places, and the discussion migrated from there to this thread.
Tyee, you are absolutely correct on the limited number of folks and paying taxes on the amount advertised as value. selling price, not so certain.
As I said... stand by. |
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| Comeon, MAN! The suspense is killing me. |
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Location: Rhinelander | Me too, waiting for a phone call. |
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| Still waiting I see. |
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Location: Rhinelander | Yep. |
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| 50% tax? What are you talking about? |
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| you guys got walleye tourneys less than XXXX miles from your house?? Wow!!
Just thought I'd throw that in there while Steve stares at his phone...
TV coverage mentioned... what about live weigh-ins on the net?? Fishing tourneys on TV overrated... |
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Location: La Salle, CO | Not sure if this is what is being hinted at, but any word from Lund on contingencies for this circuit? I'd love to run my Mercury Verado powered Lund 208 Pro V GL due to performance and fishability, but need to weigh my options with the Ranger/Evinrude being a clear leader on the additional payout potential at the NWT. Thanks |
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| Eric,
The New Nitro ZV21 is not only quite a bit less expensive, but excels in gas capacity, floor space, storage, size, rough water running capability, and in most cases speed. Their tournament rewards program is one of the best in the business. It's not finalized totally for 2013 yet, but there is a really good chance that if you are running up to a 300 Verado, and win one of these events that you could get another $5000 from Nitro. Many other circuits qualify for the Tournament Rewards program also with varying incentives. When you take into consideration initial cost, performance, and Tournament Cash, it's a clear choice. |
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| KHedquist - 11/2/2012 9:11 PM
It sounds good, but it appears to follow the same business model kind of an exclusive club for particular sponsors. Its does sound better than the FLW that only allowed their sponsors to be promoted but they paid the bills, it sounds like you wont be excluded for having brand x on. With the current economy I wonder if they will have any more anglers than they had before?
Good luck, like Steve says it fills the void.
The only reason that it seems like "an exclusive club for particular sponsors" is that no one else has ponied up any other contingency money. Don't you think that the CNWT would welcome sponsor dollars from Tuffy, Skeeter, Yamaha, or anyone else? The way I see it, at least SOMEONE stepped up. No, I don't own a Ranger, I do own a Stratos, but unfortunately it is 4 years old and excludes me from contingency money. Will that stop me from fishing given an opportunity to do so? Not at all. If enough Tuffy, Skeeter or Yamaha owners chirped loud enough to the manufacturers, if enough of them said they might have to consider switching brands if sponsorship isn't in the future, don't you think that it might make some of these companies rethink their options?
I guess that my point is don't be a hater on the new circuit and it's respective sponsors just because yours didn't step up to the plate. They had every opportunity to do so..... and still do.
Personally, I'm just glad that there is still a professional walleye circuit to follow.
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Location: La Salle, CO | Thanks Gary. I'll have to give that some consideration. I think we are getting a Bass Pro Shops in Loveland Colorado in a year too so that would put a dealer pretty close to me. Although Denver is only about 60 miles anyway. Really been liking the vids you guys are doing on the boat too. |
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| walleyedmike - 11/29/2012 9:30 AM KHedquist - 11/2/2012 9:11 PM It sounds good, but it appears to follow the same business model kind of an exclusive club for particular sponsors. Its does sound better than the FLW that only allowed their sponsors to be promoted but they paid the bills, it sounds like you wont be excluded for having brand x on. With the current economy I wonder if they will have any more anglers than they had before? Good luck, like Steve says it fills the void. The only reason that it seems like "an exclusive club for particular sponsors" is that no one else has ponied up any other contingency money. Don't you think that the CNWT would welcome sponsor dollars from Tuffy, Skeeter, Yamaha, or anyone else? The way I see it, at least SOMEONE stepped up. No, I don't own a Ranger, I do own a Stratos, but unfortunately it is 4 years old and excludes me from contingency money. Will that stop me from fishing given an opportunity to do so? Not at all. If enough Tuffy, Skeeter or Yamaha owners chirped loud enough to the manufacturers, if enough of them said they might have to consider switching brands if sponsorship isn't in the future, don't you think that it might make some of these companies rethink their options? I guess that my point is don't be a hater on the new circuit and it's respective sponsors just because yours didn't step up to the plate. They had every opportunity to do so..... and still do. Personally, I'm just glad that there is still a professional walleye circuit to follow. I didn't mean to come off sounding like I was bashing the NWT, I hope they make it and it would be cool if other manufactures stepped up and supported it like Ranger is, but the overall model is designed around a failed models. |
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Location: Rhinelander | What the heck, I'll toss a rumor out there. AIM looks to be working hard to be in for a couple 2013 events.
I hope.
This Sport needs two circuits. |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | To The Aim owners: What is so wicked tough about getting events planned? You guys are business men, fishermen, good eggs for the most part. Who is putting the screws to the planning? Fire them!! We want you to survive.
Com'on MAN!!
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| Bart Schad Talks National Walleye Tour!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CsbRYY7XQZg#...
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Right on. Thanks for the link! |
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| stacker - 12/1/2012 9:50 AM
To The Aim owners: What is so wicked tough about getting events planned? You guys are business men, fishermen, good eggs for the most part. Who is putting the screws to the planning? Fire them!! We want you to survive.
Com'on MAN!!
Wow, I was just on their website, looked through some of the Forums....... Can't find anything about the 2013 season, but you sure can find out ANYTHING you need to know about Abercrombie clothes....... |
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Location: Rhinelander | Haven't had a request for anything for the AIM website since August. We can't add or change anything there without a formal request for a change or addition from AIM. I'm sure we'll get something from them before too awful long. |
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Location: Rhinelander | New rumor...AIM will have schedule out by early January. I took the liberty of cleaning out all the AIM message boards. Guess I'll keep 'em clean until we hear what's going to happen for 2013. |
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Location: Rhinelander | Rumor is now strong....AIM will have a schedule. No idea what it is yet, will post when we can. |
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Location: Badgerland | sworrall - 12/9/2012 9:18 AM
New rumor...AIM will have schedule out by early January. I took the liberty of cleaning out all the AIM message boards. Guess I'll keep 'em clean until we hear what's going to happen for 2013.
Honestly why even have a message board there ? AIM hasn't participated there since atleast July. |
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Location: La Salle, CO | Looks like Mercury will upgrade the motor to 250 hp on the contengencies. Hopefully that can be a Verado and that would launch the Ranger 1860 Angler prize into the stratosphere! LOL |
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Location: La Salle, CO | EricCO - 12/18/2012 8:12 AM
Looks like Mercury will upgrade the motor to 250 hp on the contengencies. Hopefully that can be a Verado and that would launch the Ranger 1860 Angler prize into the stratosphere! LOL
This was an error I believe. The contingency is $1,000 if you win and own a 2011 or newer Merc. |
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Location: La Salle, CO | Looks like Lund is throwin' in now. And it appears that a non-first owner can qualify I believe as they only state 2009 or newer.
http://www.npaa.net/articles/04.15.2013/5678/.Lund.Offers.2013.Tour...
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