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| For those that have fished the Classic, I would like some feedback. We are being required to release all fish 1/4 mile from the scale. So instead of taking walleyes from the dock to the scale and immediately releasing them back into the river from the dock, we now have to load the fish back into a release boat and transport them 1/4 mile from the dock for release. Please note water temps and air temps are typically around 55-60 degrees and this is the middle of May. Please also note that water depth at release is approximately 10 feet deep and goes directly into the river channel. Can anybody help me understand this? Also, ideas for release would be appreciated. We will need volunteers based on this requirement. |
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Location: Lincolnshire, IL | Forced CRR? Randy, you ask logical questions that probably don't have a logical answers based on the time for year for the tournament(different thread)...so my first suggestion is CRR. BTW, I am not a proponent...also a different thread.
But, since the payout is for the top 10 or 15 and it really doesnt matter after those are figured out, The FRC may work well for a CRR tournament.
You would have to supply SD cards and rulers(maybe an extra cost to the entry fee, since you shouldn't have to bear it) Anglers supply the camera...see Shep's suggestion under the Otter street thread. And this would be easier since after looking at the paper record sheet you would probably only have to verify 20 to 30 cards for the tournament placings and big fish...after the payout spots are figured...no need for further placings. It is a one day tournament with no points race...anyway that is my initial reaction to the FRC situation.
Who knows maybe after participating in a CRR event..I may become a proponent...
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Location: Badgerland | nothing originating from WDNR makes sence.... |
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| Thank you dnr. But now it has to be done maybe the anglers can take the fish with them then at least there would be no need for more volunteers,just a thought |
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Location: Port Washington, wisconsin | If you go the transport method, you'll need holding tanks, a pontoon boat or two, with tanks, pumps, etc. Much more expense than I think you wish to deal with. CRR just may work. Or, call some food pantries, and do the unthinkable. |
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Location: Badgerland | Mike Lewis - 1/15/2013 12:55 PM
Thank you dnr. But now it has to be done maybe the anglers can take the fish with them then at least there would be no need for more volunteers,just a thought
There it is. Weigh your fish and take them with you, eat them or release them .25 miles from Jimmy Seas. Give this man a door prize. |
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Location: Port Washington, wisconsin | Mark the spot somehow Randy, 1/4 mile each way from Jimmy Seas. No drop zone to those points. |
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Location: Lincolnshire, IL | Alright...I have changed my mind...scrap CRR..what is to prohibit a team hell bent on cheating from recording the same fish multiple times? That is where the co-angler is a safeguard in those types of events...IMO.
Anyway, if it is as easy as Lewis' suggestion that would be an easy choice...but I am guessing it may not be...
Randy, are they requiring the tournament officials to release the fish or can the anglers do that? Are they requirng the Pontoon type tank system that bagz mentioned?
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Location: Badgerland | Wisconsin Wade - 1/15/2013 1:40 PM
Alright...I have changed my mind...scrap CRR..what is to prohibit a team hell bent on cheating from recording the same fish multiple times? That is where the co-angler is a safeguard in those types of events...IMO.
Walleyes are like snow flakes. Once people get over the stigma that you can cheat with CRR, the sooner it will be the norm. IMO |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | How did you fill out the application? Catch and release or catch and kill?
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Location: Badgerland | stacker - 1/15/2013 2:23 PM
How did you fill out the application? Catch and release or catch and kill?
Let's be a little more PC... Catch and Grill |
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Location: Port Washington, wisconsin | Filling in catch and release gets you a new bunch of rules Denny? Catch and kill nothing? Or no permit? |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | Just using there words. Catch and KILL. That is how it is listed. LOL
How he filled out the application will matter as to how he has to handle the fish. For instance, at my event, it is a catch and kill event. That means I do not have to handle your fish after weigh ins. You are responsible to do what you would like to with your catch. However, if you are wanting to release the fish, you may not dump them off the dock. You must transport them in your live well for a minimum of 200 yards and disperse them from there. I am sure that is what he has but it will remain to be seen until we know how he filled out his application.
By the way, I do use a PC. No mac for me.
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | bagz - 1/15/2013 2:52 PM
Filling in catch and release gets you a new bunch of rules Denny? Catch and kill nothing? Or no permit?
Catch and release requires the event promoter to have tanks and release boats and you have to turn in WS #'s for the release boats so they dont keep all the fish and then you have the whole floaters thing to deal with. A night mare. The dnr has no problem with catch and kill events. I know first hand that the biologist on the bay has no probs with it either. Catch and kill lets the right full owner of the days catch control them. |
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Location: Port Washington, wisconsin | Good info. |
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| We have run this event for 20+ years. For those who haven't been involved in the event, the fish are taken from the livewell, walked up the dock, weighed, and released. No holding tanks. We run 3 baskets and weigh approx 100 boats in apprx 1 hour. The fish are out of the water a maximum minute or 2. This tournament has always been catch and release. Floaters have never been an issue. A majority of the fish are caught in less than 12 feet of water and water temps are typically around 60 degrees. That's why we run the tournament in May. We typically lose less than 5 fish and that's due to how deep they were hooked. It makes no sense to put them back in a tank, transport them, handled them again, and then release them. |
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Location: Berlin | Look what the DNR did to BASS and this surprises you? It is what it is so either adapt or walk away. |
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | Randy,
I think you should have each boat take their fish, run 1/4 mile away and either release them or keep them, whichever they prefer. As someone who fishes your event every year and understands how well it is run just hand them back to the guys who brought them up to get weighed. Who is better at handling fish than the guys competing in your event? |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | Jerry, That would not comply. When you have a catch and release event there are rules to follow. Most noteably is the release boat. They wnt ws#'s and the whole shot. I know this event has been done this way for many years, however, Bass had to push for culling and this is what walleye got out of there culling. Just a FYI, he could have the fisherman handle there own fish and release if they desire if they would have applied for a catch and kill event.
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Location: Badgerland | stacker - 1/17/2013 10:06 AM
Just a FYI, he could have the fisherman handle there own fish and release if they desire if they would have applied for a catch and kill event.
I fish a couple evennts each spring that are run this way. Temps are low , release mortality is nill, and the floaters are delish. |
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | If that is the case Denny then I would definitely make it a catch and kill event. Given the people who fish this event most of the fish would go back in the river, in my opinion.
Question: in a catch and kill event, if I choose to not keep my fish and I have one that will probably not make it can we still donate them to a pantry or, given the DNR's ridiculous rule-making body, do WE have to keep them? |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | My event is permitted as "catch and kill." They bring them to scale and they take them back from scale, we do not handle there fish except for measuring and weighing. The DNR stipulations read: "Anglers may release there fish back to the water at there own discretion. Released fish should be taken away from the weigh in site and let go over deeper water or in slack current. Fish in bad condition should not be returned to the water. Fish should be scattered upstream and down stream of the weigh in site. No fish are to be dumped from the dock at the weigh in site." Last year I had the local pantry come in for donations. DNR had no problems with a pantry accepting donations. They accepted 135 fish for the ederly and hungry of the area. |
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| Stacker,
What event are you talking about? What time of year and where is it run out of? I quess I ask because it is my opinion that every tournament should be reviewed in this manner. Having a weigh in located in a back channel or a bay in the middle to late June necessitates transporting the fish back out to the main lake. However, running a tournament in the middle of May and having the release area we have in the Fox River makes no sense to further handle the fish and then release them. In any case, we will pursue changing our tournament to a catch and kill if that's what needs to be done. Hard to believe that is the answer to this issue. It makes no sense to me at all. |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | blasczyr - 1/18/2013 2:37 PM
Stacker,
What event are you talking about? What time of year and where is it run out of? I quess I ask because it is my opinion that every tournament should be reviewed in this manner. Having a weigh in located in a back channel or a bay in the middle to late June necessitates transporting the fish back out to the main lake. However, running a tournament in the middle of May and having the release area we have in the Fox River makes no sense to further handle the fish and then release them. In any case, we will pursue changing our tournament to a catch and kill if that's what needs to be done. Hard to believe that is the answer to this issue. It makes no sense to me at all.
The problem is, that when BASS wanted to cull, it opened the window for the DNR to start this whole permit process and develop rules that need to be followed by all, not just a case by case basis. They let BASS Tourneys cull but by passed the general public and walleye events. But they still charge walleye events. That part confuses me. If we get charged, why dont we get the same rules? I have asked and will continue to ask. I think every director should.
I run the Fort Fremont Marine Walleye Classic. We are in the 13th year. The event takes place in april on the wolf river. We have 75 teams max. We are catch and kill. The stipulation I spelled out earlier is what they want. How many fish do you allow? We have 10 in the boat, 5 at the scale. I applied for a permit a few years back on green bay and they gave us a 6 fish max on a catch and kill event in june.
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| Wow, Randy. Where have you been the past few years? Did you even know there was a series of public meetings about the changes to WI Tournaments, and the application process and regulations have changed drastically? Also, you are talking the about the WDNR here. Common sense does not run rampant in that department, especially in the area of fishing tournaments.
I don't know if it's too late, but you might want to try to ammend your application to a Catch and Kill event. I don't think there is any way you can do the Catch and Release unless you have the tanks, and release boat, and all the other requirements.
Perhaps get in touch with Jim Coon. Jim runs the MWS, btw. I'm sure he has had to make some adjustments to his Catch and release procedures over the past sseveral years. Perhaps you 2 can strike a deal somehow?
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| Shep I've been right here in Green Bay as always. Actually Suamico if you want to be truly accurate. The only drastic change that affects our tournament is how the fish will be released. Since I brought it up that would lead you to believe I was aware of the change. This is not a state wide change. It is being driven locally (NE WI) from my understanding. I have spoken to Jim at length. It appears we have no choice but to look into changing the permit. It still makes no sense to me. I have fished tournaments for 26 years. We handle fish on a boat to boat basis. The fish come out of the livewell into a basket, up to the scale, and in the river they go. Pretty simple. Putting them back into a holding tank and transporting them to a release point makes no sense. |
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| Randy,
Sounds like the new restrictions took you by surprise, very recently. Certainly sounds like you had no idea when you applied for you permit last fall. Tournament change has been discussed at length here since it was first proposed and discussed at DNR meeting back in 2007. It just took this long for the local approving DNR to actually make a big change in the permit as to how your tournament will be conducted.
I don't recall seeing you at any of the DNR public meetings about tournaments in 2007. As a tourney promoter, your input would have been welcomed.
I miss fishing the FRC the past 2 years. Always had a great time, and thought it was well run. |
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Location: Lincolnshire, IL | Any updates? Seems like this is about the time I send in my annual donation. |
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| Off a tad, but similar. A few years ago, there was a walleye tournament on Cass lake. After the tournament was over, we counted 71 dead eyes, all really nice size floating. To me this is a total waste. Something needs to be done to keep more fish alive. |
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| Wade,
The entries will be coming out soon. Karl typically mails them out around the first week of March. We are looking forward to another great get together with everyone.
Randy |
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Location: Suamico, Wisconsin | I'm applying the stamps to the entries right now as I sip on a wonderful Leinenkugel's beverage. I should have them in tomorrow's mail. The only way it could be better is if Randy bought the beer! |
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| Karl, Just recieved the entry form for this years tournament.There seems to be a discrepency on the acceptence date.In one place it states 3-21 in another it states 3-27.Please let us know which one is correct. |
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Location: Lincolnshire, IL | ddeviley - 3/12/2013 12:48 PM
Karl, Just recieved the entry form for this years tournament.There seems to be a discrepency on the acceptence date.In one place it states 3-21 in another it states 3-27.Please let us know which one is correct.
Check out this thread...
http://walleye.outdoorsfirst.com/board/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=2...
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