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Location: MIlwaukee, Wi | I just read a article that the Wis. DNR no longer needs a federal permit to controlthose nasty black birds. Now they are saying it may take as long as two years to do any thing about them. What do you people out there think? |
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My instinct is to not like commorants at all. Would really like to know if they are eating enough gamefish to effect sportfishing. Otherwise, if they cause a problem like the seagulls do here in Manitowoc, my idea is to begin the hunt... |
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Location: MIlwaukee, Wi | According to the article the DNR themselveswatched a flock of newly transplanted trout and salmon fingerlings get completely wiped out by those birds. The article appears in this months Wisconsin Sportsman Feburary issue. Rick |
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Yep, I've seen the same thing happen in the Manitowoc Harbour. It was totaly disgusting and felt like rushing home to get my shotgun. Just would like to know what effect they have as a percentage, on the entire population of gamefish.
Would be great if we could teach these birds to feed on gobies! |
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Location: MIlwaukee, Wi | This year when you are out fishing just count the flocks of "rats" in one day espeically on winnebago or the bay. Those aren't geese you see flying. Then just imagine thats is what you see in that spot then think of how many you don't see. Just like deer or ducks!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rick NPAA# 231 |
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | Get out the comorant call and pass the ammo. I'd make the time to illiminate my fare share. |
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Location: Milw, WI | Rick,
You know that you will not be statisfied till we can drag sheepsheads on the boards, to draw them in to shooting range.
Hey fishing and huntin at the same time.
Wonder how they taste.
Really these birds just have appeared from no where to what has to be near over population.
They eat a lot of fish, in the process.
Just about any thing they can catch.
Now we need to get them to only eat the flying asian carps, then we would love them. |
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Location: Menominee MI, In Da UP Eh? | There is much more damage done by these birds than just the fish population damage.
Years ago Cormorants were the canary in the coal mine as they were some of the first birds to show the ill effects of the pollution and contaminants in the great lakes.
Their numbers were always low and the pollution almost wiped them and a few other birds and animals out.
Now that the pollution is vastly reduced and the Great Lakes are all cleaner than ever, the cormorant numbers have exploded.
They can decimate a stock of fingerlings, they sit nearshore and in the rivers all spring just eating and eating. I have watched one bird eat 4 or 5 small smallmouth in one half an hour. There are usually 40 of these flying rats at a time in the river here, by the interstate bridge.
More to the rpoblems other than fish predation, they over run nesting areas and islands used by other birds. Not only do they compete for nesting space and win, their droppins are so offensive to other birds this also drives em off. And, birds that would nest earlier or later on the same sites, will not due to the droppings left behind. The cormorants droppings also kill vegitation. Did you ever wonder why that small island that was always green now looks like the aftermath of a bomb?
The cormorant is once again a canary in a coal mine. The first time they were beneficial to help clean up the Great Lakes. This time they are a warning and slap in the face to the powers that be. The lesson this time is that you cannot over protect and regulate that no harm come to any of a species. In short time such a protection will allow tghe population numbers to over run the balance in the eco system.
The short of it is, we need to control the cormorants numbers, and fast.
Lock and Load?
I cant answer to how they taste, but if they are like fish eating ducks, I imagine they taste pretty bad too. I do know they would make great tillage for some farmers though...waste not want not. |
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | Ralph's got the goods on the rats.....Rick Z is reporting their criminal acts....and I'm sitting at my reloading bench, trying to figure out if I need anything bigger than 5 or 6 magnums to down these pests!!! Can we take down some Manitowoc seagulls while we're at it? Let the shooting games begin!!! |
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Location: Neenah Wi | I've heard reports that these flying rats eat 2-3# of fish a day.Thats alot of fish.Just think how many fish a flock of 100 of these black bandits eat.I could do with less of them.Let the season begin.Hey Rick I never got the chance to say thanks for selling me the t-stick at the landing on asylum bay.I was keeping on eye on the standings.Sorry you did'nt place up higher.oh well thats fishin I guess.
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Location: Collins, WI | So you guys are saying that it was illeagal to shoot them. oopps! |
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Hmmmmmm. Will agree these birds are easy to hate for their voracious fish appetite. Just hope no one gets any ideas - they are protected at this time... |
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Location: Omro,Wi. | Can't shoot them,but if they don't know enough to get out of the way of my boat,too bad so sad..hafe |
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | Can anyone say.....PULL!!! |
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Location: Menominee MI, In Da UP Eh? | PULL!
LOL!
Please don't get the idea that I am advocating anything illegal, but I think they need to be controlled and have needed control for many years. In fish even did some informational pieces about studies being done on the over population of the sky rats, and their impact on the fisheries as well as native (other) birds. |
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Smart answer Ralph. Wouldn't want anyone's wild emotion to translate to their finger and "PULL" the trigger on these birds while being protected by the law. And to run them over with a boat is just as foolish as any warden, state or federal, will not think twice about slapping the cuffs on you.
Otherwise, would like to read about the results of the study written about by the In-Fish people. |
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Location: Omro,Wi. | Originally written by Rick Larson on 2004-01-10 5:22 AM
Smart answer Ralph. Wouldn't want anyone's wild emotion to translate to their finger and "PULL" the trigger on these birds while being protected by the law. And to run them over with a boat is just as foolish as any warden, state or federal, will not think twice about slapping the cuffs on you.
Otherwise, would like to read about the results of the study written about by the In-Fish people.
Before you go calling someones actions foolish Rick,perhaps you should know what they were talking about..Heres the story..left fugleburg launch,heading for a spot in the mud.only went 100 yards,when a Cormarant hit the port side of my boat..(Thats Left) I did not even see it coming,because my friend was blocking my view.Am I sorry I ran it over?,NO! (not at all).Did I try to hit it? NO!.Would I have aimed for it if I had seen it? NO!Would I have gotten a ticket? NO! there was no coarse change on my part...Just thought it needed clearing up...hafe
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | Just got back from my first day of cormorant and seagull hunting......no luck. I hope to do better in the future. Wish me luck!!! |
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Hey jerry, move to Norway. There you can bang away at these precious protected birds!
http://www.ssb.no/english/yearbook/tab/t-100410-400.html
Scroll way down this following link (page) and find the paragraph relating to cormorants. Lots of other good info in this link as well:
http://www.seagrant.wisc.edu/outreach/fisheries/Fisheries_Forum/Mgt...
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Location: Menominee MI, In Da UP Eh? | Originally written by Rick Larson on 2004-01-10 5:22 AM
.......And to run them over with a boat is just as foolish ........
Ya the Wardens take a dim view, but my reasons a few years ago for not running over a raft of about 100 of these birds goes a little deeper than that.
My thought was that when they take to the air, they all drop a load, if you know what I mean. Now imagine a fella was to cut through a large flock, you might get a few dozen of em, but a few dozen x 2 might get you.......ewwwwwwwww!
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | Well, I tried again yesterday afternoon to take my first limit of cormorants and seagulls, but it was the same story as yesterday: no luck. I think I will take the 10 gauge auto out today as these birds are a bit more wary than I thought they'd be....;) |
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Location: YouTube.com/LyubakaVideo Instagram @LyubakaVideo | Isponsored a Spinning Club in Bulgaria by the name of "Old Otters". One of the guys goes by Kormoran - he does get enough fish to be feared :))
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Hows the fishing in Bulgaria? What kind of fish is best for eating? How do they catch them? I want to know everything Lyuba! |
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Location: Berlin | My boat and I have accidentally taken out 2 seagulls and a swallow. Both times the birds were flying high and decided to swoop down at the wrong time. I was doing over 60 and they hit hard. I got lucky both times that they hit the bow and not me or my passenger. They can cause some serious damage. The swallow did the same thing only the boat did not hit it. It got caught in the wind current from the bow. The wind took it up about 8 feet then slammed it onto the front deck. There it sat until we arrived at our spot. It was one of the weirdest things I have ever seen. Be carefull when driving w.o.t. around the big birds, it might cost you. |
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Location: YouTube.com/LyubakaVideo Instagram @LyubakaVideo | I have seen a swallow taken down while casting with a 2oz egg-sinker for catfish - just slammed it in the water motionless. Ducks would sometime follow my floater rigged piece of bread to get a nib at it - if you are not careful you WILL hook into some! Otherwise I have caught seagulls down in Clearwater Beach while fishing whiting and seatrout - it is not uncommon at all - what I hate the most is the freakin' pelicans, aware of their size and strenght they will go for the kill and most times win a meal off your hook 
Rick, there is all kinds of fish in Europe - largest trophy fishing is after European Catfish (Sillurus Glanis), Pike (Esox Lucius), Carp (Yeah Carp!!!) :)) and Zander (Stizostedion Lucioperca) our Perch there is (Perca Fluviatilis) And gets large and Balckish with sizes sometimes up to 10lbs!!! They also introduced Black Bass in Italy and Spain but not on the main continent (at least not that I know of) They go after trouts of all sorts (Rainbows are imported and unfortunately outbreeding the native Balkan and other species...) There are eels, Millions of fishermen practise match fishing with high quality carbon pull-up rods from 15 to 40 feet long!!! With a direct line and a high precision balsa float ballanced to perfection to indicate bites - these guys target by legal chumming mainly Roaches, Shiners, Grass Carp, Lake Shiners, Chubs, Barbs and if they just need to catch up on points Sunfish(considered a painful nuisance and a plague! like the gobies and ruffe alike!) There is salt water fishing for non-tropical species like cod, seabass, salt water rockfish and flatfish, they go after migratory trout and zander(walleye equivalent only up to 45lbs...) So there is quite a bit of fishing traditions in the Old World. Some of the above mentioned high tech mile long rods can sometimes cost as much as a decent boat or ATV up to 5,000.00 EUR!!!!
Yeah they do a bit of fishing there. There are no Muskies that I know of but Pike do get in the 78-80" range - seldom but they do esp in Russian North and Ireland. There is a Native Danubian Trout Salmonid Species that Roams Rivers Taymen is the name and is mostly caught fly fishing that snasks on 6lb roughfish and trout... and becomes HUGE!!!
Hey Rick when are we going for some seafood again!?
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Location: YouTube.com/LyubakaVideo Instagram @LyubakaVideo | As of the Cormoran (As I've known it) The bird is considered an endangered bird species back home. They are vicious killers! But truly they need shallow water to be really effective and mainly munch on sucker species and chubs, which you guys don't really compete over... When it comes to a Bass or a Northern - I don't really think they are on the menu, and walleye - they would not go that shallow in clear water unless they are stranded - eyes get hurt by light too much. There are tribes in Africa and Asia that actually domesticate the bird! A fishing boat is rigged with perch bars and the birds are tied by the throat with a ring that only allows tiny fish to go through - than whenever the bird cathes a reasonably sized fish for human consumption the "angler" has to pull it out of their throat... Unsightly but highly effective.
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Very Good information Lyubo! Really would like to visit Europe one day and catch some of those fish. And 5000 for a fishing rod? God, how long is that thing anyway? One time I saw a fishing show where it took 4 guys to holding the rod to catch the fish - is that what you mean?
You told me our last trip that you were an Ecological Engineer in Europe. Golly, after that post sure reads like you still remember few things.
And did you say seafood? How about a LBDN excursion? |
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Location: Oshkosh, Wisconsin | Didnt they use their feathers for the ladies hats back in the late 1800's and early 1900's until the population was almost decimated? If so maybe those hats should come back in style. |
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Location: YouTube.com/LyubakaVideo Instagram @LyubakaVideo | Originally written by Rick Larson on 2004-01-11 1:42 PM
Very Good information Lyubo! Really would like to visit Europe one day and catch some of those fish. And 5000 for a fishing rod? God, how long is that thing anyway? One time I saw a fishing show where it took 4 guys to holding the rod to catch the fish - is that what you mean?
You told me our last trip that you were an Ecological Engineer in Europe. Golly, after that post sure reads like you still remember few things.
And did you say seafood? How about a LBDN excursion?
Yeah RichFish keeps me posted on your plans. Will do - just not sure when.
As to the 5K for a cane pole... The way things are going for the poor US$ this 5K EUR is a mere $6,450.00 yeah pritty painful - having in mind that the target fish is the same most guys will either toss in the garden for fertiliser here or leave in the freeser for icefishing bait.
Lyubo
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Location: YouTube.com/LyubakaVideo Instagram @LyubakaVideo | Originally written by Gillfisher on 2004-01-11 2:22 PM
Didnt they use their feathers for the ladies hats back in the late 1800's and early 1900's until the population was almost decimated? If so maybe those hats should come back in style.
These were actually ostriches, pheasants and flamingoes to touch up ladies hats, but I believe u can git-r-done with an oily comoran tailfeather too why not ;).
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