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Location: Menominee MI, In Da UP Eh? | I was just reading a very interesting thread on Walleye Central. (yea I still go give a lookie see once in a while...) Man the WWR has got the attention of everyone in walleye fishing.
This is gonna be a fun year and the system will prove itself to all but the biggest naysayers out there.
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Location: La Crescent, MN | I agree it will add fun and excitement on a weekly basis.
Interesting is a good the word for the thread. Malicious and Libelous also come to mind, was definitely an organized attack of one sort or another, which is probably why it was eventually pulled.
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| I just went to read it again and found it had been pulled. Figured it would be sooner or later.
As far as my thoughts on the subject. I will make my decision when it is brought in front of us at the NPAA to vote on. I'll leave it at that. 
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Edited by Juls_OH 2/6/2004 5:07 AM
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| Gosh, did my asking for Pat C to provide his NPAA number touch a nerve? I didn't see anything else after that, as the next time I looked it was nuked. I think it's funny that OutdoorFirst is consdiered this huge money grubbing corporation! hehehe Guess that means you'll be footing the whole entry fee for the Merc Nats, huh Zach?!!
Like I stated. The ranking is what it is. I just wish more of the Pro's I have drawn were on it! | |
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| Something I don't understand about WC is why have they twice in recent history pulled posts of mine where I have mentioned Walleyefirst.com by name, or provided a link to something on this site. Both times I got a nicely worded email telling me that that information was available from their site and there was no reason for anyone to go somewhere else to find it.
Zach and Steve should probably take that as a back handed compliment to the fine job you are doing here. I personally am about ready to "nuke" WC from my favorites list because of that and all the flamers you have to wade thru everyday.
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| Also just wanted to be clear here on my home board that some folks go WAY to far in reading in to what is being said on the WC board. I would hope to always call Zach a friend, am a member of this board for a long time and have my Wolf River board here. It's just that I don't agree with the rankings as they are, period. No harm intended and no bad intentions or malice towards Zach, this board, WalleyeFirst and everyone involved with it. Some folks will say they disagree with the new Nasscar points race, some will naysay the old method. It's anybody's perogative to respectfully disagree, happens all the time. | |
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| Doc,
We have never met, but I hope we do someday. You are a man of few words(relatively speaking), but they are always good words and honest words. I'm sure that everyone understands and accepts those words and appreciates everything you have to offer. You have a unique ability to bring out a different perspective than most people see and when you do, people listen and learn. That is a quality that is not found in many people, myself included. Thank you! | |
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Don't nuke WC just yet Jack. Hopefully the new crowd moderizing (nice slang word, eh?) will get the message. They only have a problem recognizing the difference between debating ideals and accusations towards individuals because of their ideas.
Don't give up yet, WC does have something to offer us that will take this site more time to accomplish - diversity of opinion (more registered users). | |
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| I have had many posts nuked from WC for posting a link to WF. I expressed my disappointment to Scott on several occaisions, explaining that I frequent both sites, and for different reasons. I pretty much explained that when I do post on WC, it is my intent to provide information to help others in a positive way. Sometimes that information is best relayed by posting a link. He has always responded in a positve manner to me. However, certain issues still get nuked if there is a link or reference to WF.
I suspect there is some protectionism going on there. Can't blame them for that, I guess, as there is increasing activity here. It's there right. They'll deny it, but I know what I have seen. But compare the posts nuked there, and the lack of posts nuked here. Rarely is a post nuked here. If it is really bad, it gets sent to the detention room. It may get locked down. But rarely is it killed suddenly and completely.
I saw nothing in the WWR thread that warranted nuking. So it must have just been the attention paid to this site. Doc's post's, while strongly worded, were his opinion, not nasty, and vigorously defended by him. It certainly seems as though Pat C had another purpose in mind. I have to assume Pat C visits this site, so I ask him to log in, provide his NPAA number, and begin the discussion here. Bet it doesn't get nuked. | |
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Just look at it this way Shep. Their pond (WC) is full of water and teaming with fish (registered users). Your pond (WalleyeFirst) is slowly filing with water and has fewer fish.
Now they have spent alot of time and money building up their pond. Do you really think its ok for you to poke a hole in the dike and allow their water and fish to spill into your pond?
I don't think so.
You should just enjoy both sites as they are and not be so worried about how many fish either pond has in it. If this site continues to be interesting and fair, they will have plenty of spawning fish to occupy it.
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| Rick,
This is not my pond. I just swim in it occaisionally. Sometimes, I get the urge to migrate up the river to the WC pond. That pond is teaming with fish, yes, but it also has a lot of rough fish in it, too. And sometimes while there, I let it slip that there is another pond out there with better behaving fish in it. Is that fair? Sure. Why not? Is it fair that they nuke any reference to nearly any other site? Sure. Is it good practice? Maybe not.
Like I said, I still go there. I still post, and yes, sometimes I get nuked. Will I stop? Nope!
I really don't care how much money they spent. I do know that they have PO'd some long time users with their protectionist attitude. It's not like they're going to lose everybody. Oh, wait, been to MC in a while? Maybe they would.
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Location: Rhinelander | I would hope WalleyeFIRST is an every day stop during many angler's WWW daily surfing for up to date information about tournament action, industry news and discussion about walleyes and walleye fishing. We are very aware there are several other sites out there that are on the 'favorites' tab on our user's computer. It would be unbelievably arrogant for us to announce that we are the only source our visitors might need out there on the WWW for Walleye news, and even worse to assume that our visitors cannot exercise intelligent choices on their own.
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | With the few times I've been nuked on WC, it was because of the certain site Links that I attached to ceratain posts (according to Scott G) bordered on advertising for that sites owners or their products. He mentioned that the people paying for product advertising on the WC site didn't appreciate that. I can personally both appreciate and understand that fact. I also understand that having a web site that is both run by advertising dollars along with trying to keep it a free, fair and an open forum for everybody, can and quit often get a little confusing.
Then throw in the 3,000 people who visit WC and only fish once in a while and don't see, care, understand or experience all of the fishing sports facits and interactions. Their opinions are valid, but seldom thought out and often derogitory, especially towards anybody in the professional fishing fields.
I've ran the whole emotional gammit on that board. From being angry enough to spit nails, to actually needing it for my off the water daily fix. Most recently I've decided to take it easy and just let all the crap slide off my back like water. Try to keep posting what I honestly feel about certain subjects rather it ruffles feathers or not, and share my fishing life time of knowledge with people who genuinly want to hear it.
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| Well, I guess I won't be nuking WC just yet. I got an email from Dave Landahl about being a field editor for the purpose of writing fishing reports from Mille Lacs, and hopefully an article every month or two! I guess he and I will have to talk in the near future before I fully understand the peramiters I would be allowed to work within, and make a decision from what I garner from that discussion. I would want freedom to write about any and all pertanent issues involving the lake, including but not restricted to fishing.(Treaty harvest managment, ect.) Obviously, it would not be a paid position, but if I can offer a link to my guide service and the other service I contract thru, I will have to consider it. You can't really turn your back on the chance to have your name and link out there for 12 million hits a month to see.
Regaudless of the outcome, all of you here at Walleyefirst are stuck with me for a long time! Like....until the Vikings win the Super Bowl!!! 
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | Originally written by JLDII on 2004-02-07 10:50 AM
Well, I guess I won't be nuking WC just yet. I got an email from Dave Landahl about being a field editor for the purpose of writing fishing reports from Mille Lacs, and hopefully an article every month or two! I guess he and I will have to talk in the near future before I fully understand the peramiters I would be allowed to work within, and make a decision from what I garner from that discussion. I would want freedom to write about any and all pertanent issues involving the lake, including but not restricted to fishing.(Treaty harvest managment, ect.) Obviously, it would not be a paid position, but if I can offer a link to my guide service and the other service I contract thru, I will have to consider it. You can't really turn your back on the chance to have your name and link out there for 12 million hits a month to see.
Regaudless of the outcome, all of you here at Walleyefirst are stuck with me for a long time! Like....until the Vikings win the Super Bowl!!! :)
Jack.
Jack.
I contacted Dave and he made the same offer to me for the Saginaw Bay area field editor. Like you, versus jumping in with both feet, I'm waiting to view the first e-mail posting of the WC magazine to see what writing style and format is going to be allowable, and rather advertising one's business is going to allowable as a trade off before I sign on.
I write fishing reports for many, many sites. Some didn't like how I included personal recent charter/guided success stories and pictures in my reports. Don't know about you, but I want to both see and read about viable/recent results in the form of pictures and recent stories before I pack up and head off 500 miles on way to fish an area.
Those particular sites don't know what their missing. I've recieved more compliments via personal e-mails than criticisms believe me.
Edited by walleye express 2/7/2004 10:27 AM
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Location: Rhinelander | Actually, WalleyeFIRST needs contributing editors as well. We are specifically looking for Guides, Outfitters, and Competitive anglers across the country.
We will post your personal Bio (see this link for example http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/articles/02.08.2004/99/Mike.Koepp's...)and encourage a link in your signature and Bio to your website or another site you wish to see get some attention.
If you are interested in sharing ideas, information, casual fishing conversation and any secrets you would be willing to divulge, email me at [email protected]. It's perfectly acceptable to us if you write for several other publications, too. | |
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That policy is strikingly different and think its a sure winner to attract the many guides who will contribute mightly to the message board! | |
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| We have found the best thing to do is keep the conversation clean and directed toward walleye fishing and related issues. Even the Green Bay Packers are ok in small doses. This is what we do on MuskieFIRST and what we try to do here as well.
As far as the derogatory comments regarding products, companies, etc. most of the time we have no choice in the matter. If we are asked to remove it we have to, or be liable for damages. WC operates under the same legal umbrella as well so you may want to cut them some slack on that point.
Beyond that, intelligent critique and discussion of products or services, techniques, tournaments, competition, fisheries management issues, etc is what we promote here. Everything else goes in the garbage heap. | |
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WWR making HUGE waves!