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Location: Oshkosh,WI | This is a complete list of all the tournaments that have been registered through the DNR this year. Do you think there needs to be a limit on how many tournaments this body of water can take? Other thoughts and comments on the amount of Tournaments? Total registered are 68.
Date Species Tournament Name Weigh-in Weigh-in Contact Person Phone
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April 3, 2004 Walleye Hahn's Walleye Tournament Hahn-a-lula Resort, Fremont 2:00 PM Ron Naparalla 920-446-2685
April 3 - 4, 2004 Walleye Red Banks Resort Walleye Tournament Red Banks Resort, Fremont 2:30 PM Robert Caryl 920-446-2933
April 10, 2004 Walleye Slipknot Walleye Tournament Slipknot Bar, Fremont 2:00 PM Peter Meyerhofer 920-446-2707
April 17, 2004 Walleye Starboard Restaurant and Lounge Walleye Tour. Hotel Fremont, Fremont 3:30 PM Tamra Braun 920-446-2402
April 18, 2004 Walleye Gander Mountain Grand Natl. Walleye Cup Wolf R. House Resort, Winneconne 3:00 PM Bernie Barringer 218-587-2864
April 21 - 23, 2004 Walleye In-Fisherman Professional Walleye Trail Wolf R. House Resort, Winneconne 3:00 PM Charlie Moore 218-824-2532
April 24, 2004 Walleye Fort Fremont Walleye Classic Fort Fremont Marine, Fremont 1:30 PM Dennis Fox 920-446-3220
April 24, 2004 Walleye Red Banks Resort Walleye Tournament Red Banks Resort, Fremont 2:30 PM Robert Caryl 920-446-2933
April 25, 2004 Walleye World Walleye Association Wolf River House, Winneconne 3:00 PM Steve Poll 920-924-2100
April 25, 2004 Bass N.E.W. Team Tournament Trail 2004 Wolf River Resorts, Winneconne 3:00 PM Mark A. Soletske 715-735-7765
April 25, 2004 Bass Bronze Back Spring Open J.W. Stringers, Weyauwega 3:00 PM Geoffrey Williams 920-867-2773
May 1, 2004 Bass American Bassfishing Club, Inc. County Park, Winneconne 3:00 PM Mark Daniels 920-851-2848
May 1, 2004 Bass Mid-American Tournament Authority Wolf River House, Winneconne 2:00 PM Lori Berthold 815-338-2010
May 2, 2004 Walleye Midwest Walleye Series - Winnebago Rainbow Park, Oshkosh 2:00 PM Jim Coon 920-731-3474
May 7-9, 2004 Bass Wis. State Bass Federation (Zone 5) County Park, Winneconne 2:00 PM Gordie Seigl, Jr. 262-363-5091
May 8, 2004 Various Butte des Morts Lions Club Fishing Tournament Tilly's Too Bar, Butte des Morts 1:00 PM Tom Marquardt 920-231-0812
May 15, 2004 Walleye Terry's Bar Walleye Tournament Menominee Park, Oshkosh 2:00 PM Garry Winchester 920-426-1581
May 15, 2004 Bass Wolf River Bass Club Spring Open Secrets Bar, Orihula 3:30 PM Henry Fabisiak, Jr. 920-982-5867
May 15, 2004 Walleye Schrage's Talk of the Town Walleye Tournament Columbia Park, Pipe Noon Ted Schrage 920-795-4579
May 15, 2004 Walleye Last Chance Walleye Tournament Rainbow Park, Oshkosh 3:00 PM Roman Zelhofer 920-233-6072
May 22, 2004 Walleye Nigl's 11th Annual Walleye Tournament Menominee Park, Oshkosh 2:00 PM Susan Schroeder 920-426-2915
May 22, 2004 Walleye 16th Annual John Deere Walleye Classic Wendt's on the Lake, Van Dyne 2:30 PM John Puetz 920-689-2464
May 22, 2004 Walleye North Shore Walleye Tournament Jefferson Park, Menasha 1:00 PM Paul Reichel 920-751-8869
May 22, 2004 Walleye City Slickers City Slickers Bar, Fond du Lac 1:00 PM Peter Guell 920-923-5705
May 22, 2004 Walleye Quinney Quencher Walleye Tournament Brothertown Harbor, Brothertown 12:00 PM Paul Schneider 920-439-1341
May 23, 2004 Bass Mid-American Tournament Authority Wolf River House, Winneconne 2:00 PM Lori Berthold 815-338-2010
May 23, 2004 Bass Wisconsin Federation National Bass Tournament Hahn-a-Lula Resort, Fremont 2:00 PM Terry Hilbert 920-982-3625
May 29, 2004 Bass Oshkosh Bass Masters Spring Open Rainbow Park, Oshkosh 3:00 PM Chris Wenzel 920-969-7114
May 29, 2004 Walleye Trip's Walleye Tournament Columbia Park, Pipe 1:00 PM Randy Tripke 920-795-4163
May 29, 2004 Walleye Houge's 9th Annual Walleye Warm-up Menominee Park, Oshkosh 2:00 PM Randy Harwood 920-426-1370
May 29, 2004 Walleye 1st Annual Brothertown Walleye Open Brothertown Harbor, Brothertown 12:00 PM Robert Krupp 920-849-2916
June 5, 2004 Walleye 2nd Annual Stockbridge Walleye Tournament Stockbridge Harbor, Stockbridge 1:00 PM James Levknecht 920-427-4826
June 5, 2004 Walleye UAW 291 Walleye Tournament Menominee Park, Oshkosh 1:00 PM Steve Karow 920-235-1257
June 5, 2004 Walleye Van Dyne Lions Club Walleye Tournament Van Dyne Park, Van Dyne 2:00 PM Gerald Kalbus 920-426-0062
June 5, 2004 Various Wolf River Resort Open Wolf River House, Winneconne 3 and12 pm Doug Nelson 920-5824555
June 5, 2004 Walleye Boom Bay Resort Walleye Tournament Boom Bay Resort, Larsen 2:00 PM Donna Stoffel 920-836-2073
June 5, 2004 Walleye Fisherman's Road Fishing Club Walleye Tour. Fisherman's Road Clubhouse, FDL 12:00 PM Andrew Schumacher 920-753-2807
June 5 - 6, 2004 Bass Waupaca Bass Club Annual Musc. Dys. Open Hahn-a-lula Resort, Fremont 2:00 PM Terry Hilbert 920-982-4982
June 5 - 6, 2004 Walleye World Walleye Association Menominee Park, Oshkosh 3:00 PM Steve Poll 920-924-2100
June 12 - 13, 2004 Walleye Mercury Marine National Walleye Tournament Lakeside Park, Fond du Lac 2:00 PM Dick Hackbarth 920-447-5571
June 15, 2004 Walleye Calumet Co. Law Enforcement Walleye Tourn. Stockbridge Harbor, Stockbridge 2:30 PM Todd Konen 920-849-1447
June 19 - 20, 2004 Walleye Otter Street Walleye Tournament Menominee Park, Oshkosh 2:30 PM James Gibson 920-235-7144
June 26, 2004 Walleye Last Chance Summer Walleye Tournament Rainbow Park, Oshkosh 3:00 PM Roman Zelhofer 920-233-6072
June 26, 2004 Walleye Brickyard 4th Annual Walleye Tournament Calumet Co. Park, 2:00 PM Scott Schierl 920-439-1478
June 26, 2004 Walleye Fisherman's Inn Walleye Tournament Brothertown Harbor, Brothertown 12:00 PM James Halbach 920-849-2460
June 26, 2004 Walleye Penelope's Walleye Tournament Penelope's Bar, Van Dyne 2:00 PM Ronald Goebel 920-921-1096
June 26 - 27, 2004 Walleye Masters Walleye Circuit Menominee Park, Oshkosh 4:00 PM Kristine Houtman 952-988-7116
June 27, 2004 Walleye WalleyeFirst Website Tournament Rainbow Park, Oshkosh 3:00 PM Steve Worrall 715-362-1760
July 10, 2004 Bass Wal-Mar Bass Fishing League Wolf R. House, Winneconne 2:30 PM Dave Maxfield 270-252-1587
July 10, 2004 Sheepshead Omro Kiwanis Sheepshead Tournament Scott Park, Omro 3:00 PM Larry Schuster 920-685-6211
July 10, 2004 Roughfish Shiocton Ruff-Fish Tournament Ken's Riverside landing, Shiocton 4:00 PM Tim Conradt 920-986-3898
July 10, 2004 Walleye Grande Company Walleye Tournament Hwy 45 Wayside, Fond du Lac 2:00 PM Mark Eilbes 920-583-4379
July 10, 2004 Walleye Neighborhood Pub and Grill Walleye Tournament Stockbridge Harbor, Stockbridge 12:00 PM Denise Woelfel 920-849-3799
July 10 - 11, 2004 Walleye Wal-Mart RCL Walleye League Menominee Park, Oshkosh 3:00 PM Sonny Reynolds 270-252-1591
July 11, 2004 Bass Mid-American Tournament Authority Wolf River House, Winneconne 2:00 PM Lori Berthold 815-338-2010
July 17, 2004 Sheepshead Oshkosh Elks Sheepshead Tournament Rainbow Park, Oshkosh 3:00 PM Bob Miller 920-233-1290
July 17, 2004 Bass Bronze Back Summer Open Slip Knot Bar, Fremont 3:00 PM Geoffrey Williams 920-867-2773
July 17, 2004 Walleye Pop's Walleye Tournament Payne's Point Bar, Neenah 2:00 PM Dale Frank 920-722-1048
July 25, 2004 Bass N.E.W. Team Tournament Trail 2004 Wolf River Resorts, Winneconne 3:00 PM Mark A. Soletske 715-735-7765
July 31, 2004 Walleye Spellman's Marina Walleye Tournament Spellman's Marina, Oshkosh 2:00 PM Jason Brauch 920-779-0736
August 7, 2004 Walleye Fleet Farm Open Menominee Park, Oshkosh 2:00 PM Jim Coon 920-731-3474
August 7 - 8, 2004 Roughfish Wis. Bowfishing Assoc. Tournament Lang's landing, Winneconne 6:00 AM Brett Stapelmann 608-513-2211
August 15, 2004 Bass N.E.W. Team Tournament Trail 2004 Wolf River Resorts, Winneconne 3:00 PM Mark A. Soletske 715-735-7765
August 21, 2004 Bass Trip's Smallmouth Tournament Columbia Park, Pipe 1:00 PM Marianne Wagner 920-795-4163
August 22, 2004 Bass Mid-American Tournament Authority Wolf River House, Winneconne 2:00 PM Lori Berthold 815-338-2010
Sept. 18 - 19, 2004 Bass American Bassfishing Club, Inc. County Park, Winneconne 2:30 PM Mark Daniels 920-851-2848
Sept. 19, 2004 Bass Hooked on a Cure CF Benefit Menominne Park, Oshkosh 2:30 PM Chris Wenzel 920-969-7114
October 2, 2004 Bass Wolf River Bass Club Fall Open Riverside Park, New London 3:00 PM Henry Fabisiak, Jr. 920-982-5867
October 9, 2004 Walleye Midwest Walleye Series Championship Menominee Park, Oshkosh 2:00 PM Jim Coon 920-731-3474
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| Nice to see Kendal found some free time to get this to you! Did he have an opinion as to what is going to happen next year? I think 68 tourneys that have more than 20 boats is quite a bit although there doesn't seem to be enough rough fish events! Hopefully he'll pop on here and keep us updated on the happenings with the new rules for next year!
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Well, this is only part of the equation. We also need to know how many participants are in each event, whether there has been any complaints by other users, and the best guess estimate on the future health of the target speices.
Also, I would want to know the off and peak months of other users, and plan to issue permits in regards to this use. Anotherwords (for you speed readers), we all know the Wolf is packed with 'other users' during the spring walleye run and would not issue permits for this area ( at this time of course).
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Location: Appleton wi | Whats the major complaint? Is it just too many tourny's? | |
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| must be no complaints besides the two post above. so it should be a dead issue | |
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Pffft! This regulation is just beginning. My bet is the wonks at Resources have already begun to occupy chairs seated at the round table of discussion... | |
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Location: Milw, WI | My thoughts are Directors need to get the permit apps. in as soon as poss. because they now have greater control.
But it is also in my mind that they will not be turning down the $. | |
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| What money? it don't cost anything to get a permit, except your time. I don't forsee it changing on the 'bago system anytime in the near future. I think Kendall has a good handle on what 'Bago is capable of producing and how many fish can be removed from the system. It's also a great research tool, surveys of sauger caught and released during the Otter Street tourney, for example.
I've heard it a couple times this summer already from "oldtimers" that have fished for years. "Best fishing I can remember on 'Bago" This was heard from a guy fishing 'bago for 20 years. Granted only an opinion.
The population of walleyes and size structure has continually gotten better in the last 10 years, even with the increased number of tourneys. 2+2 will tell you it has affected the population minimally.
Also, looking at the number of bass tourneys, a considerable number. I rarely hear complaints of too many bass tourneys or bass tourneys are killing all the bass. Granted I've not surrounded myself with that fishing environment. But it's my feeling that more people are concerned about walleye for they're own selfish greed, putting food on the table. Just an opinion.
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Location: Appleton wi | Jayman i agree with you. The fishing has never been better for walleyes fishing in my 30years fishing the system and this defintly has been my best year on bago'! I would think with today resources and access to them via computors that the Dnr would have made this more of public question if it was truelly was a issue of the majority? Has this been brought up in past DNR public meetings and what was said? | |
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| Eye lunker,
I'm baseing my opinion on my own experience and what I've heard from Kendall via personally speaking with him at Sturgeon for Tomorrow or Walleyes for tomorrow banquets. And what has been published by Kendall and Walleyes for tomorrow, regarding spawning success and safe harvest limits and why tourneys are a benefit as a research tool.
I think once Safe harvest limits or Spawing success becomes a problem will we need to look at tourneys and only after other methods of control are exhausted.
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No Jayman, no horse under my arse.
Never once did any of my posts put a negative towards any tournament. None, Nada, Nein. The problems I have addressed have been related towards the culling issue and at self-important jacks - such as yourself - who think that your tournament entry is more important to the exsistence of walleye fishing, than even the walleyes themselves.
You must think tournament fishing is a religion...
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A religion?!?....hmmmmm.....probably so since I prefer to spend my sundays on the water and not in church.
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Nope, no complaints with me. Just pointing out the antics of you mid-level wannabe tournament fishing stars who have taken competition beyond the weighing of walleyes.
Do realize your ignorance and will help you to understand something. Tournaments are only businesses and operate to make a profit. They exsist because there are willing participants AND largess of the general public, as they ply their trade on the public's domain.
It is good for tournaments to be regulated - hopefully by the managing biologists and not by politics - because there can be user conflicts (jammed up public launches, tournament anglers grouping up on well-known fishing spots, ect.). These conflicts will cause anti-tournament sentiment. Now if you could, just project the last ten years of tournament growth into the future, the numbers do show great potential for problems.
So you see, it is just not the walleyes in the system, that those at the Resources will be considering when working out the new rules. Your belief that everything is fine notwithstanding.
Edited by Rick Larson 7/25/2004 5:16 PM
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Location: Milw, WI | Jayman,
Fact ........
Rick Larson asked me if I wanted to fish in your tourney the week it got posted here.
I was leary because of the time of year.
No longer fact.....
If you got to know Him, I am sure you would get along.
Sounds like a day on the water is needed here.
As to the money, permit fees will be coming.
And I was referring to the local money spent, all the costs. | |
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| Rich, you are correct here, there will be an increase and it would be nice to participate on the commitee assigned to setting these new rules and regs without being influenced by directors and corporations. There are going to be many changes regarding tournaments and there WILL be politics involved believe you me!!! There is no way you are not going to see influential people on this board. I'm sure some of the major tournement organizations are preparing for this and WILL have an influence on the decissions being made. As for the fee, I'd love to see the DNR/State get at least 25.00 per head in an event! Now that might take away the concern about harvesting the state allowed limit wouldn't it?
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It won't matter Tyee. The more it's scewed towards tournaments, the more anti-sentiment there will be amongst the general public. And they will force a correction.
Please believe me, there are many fishing these tournaments who think they have more rights to the fish than anyone. If left unchecked, tournament anglers will be the undoing of tournaments.
I'm totally bewildered how these tournament anglers are so intolerant. It's the general fishing public who are the market for the goods and services that sponsor these tournaments, and therefore, the anglers who participate. Yet, these anglers have this holier than thou attitude (i.e. culling allowed for tournaments only, believing they have rights to a certain fishing spot, bullying other fisherman who have a different point of view, ect., ect., ect.) towards this very market.
To be redundant from a past post. Besides the fish, the most important aspect in fishing is the person who has only the idea to fish. From that point on, this consumer is watching and learning - from those who are forthcoming and friendly - and will be buying the goods and services needed to become a better fisherperson.
Anotherwords, the tournament angler has no value to the tournaments they participate in, if he/she is unwillingly to put that first time fisherperson above him/herself. So this attitude from Jayman (and others) is beyond my obviously limited scope.
Nonetheless, the market will have the last word.
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| Rick, I appreciate your views and opinions as you well know, Although the crowd you speak of (hollier than though tournament anglers) is the minority. Those guys will get their due dilligence in time and will be humbled I'm sure.
Tournament angling on Wisconsin waters has gone on for years and will continue to grow don't you think? It's not about the money is it? It's the competative nature in many and the input from these people that make this craft a hobby to compete put forth much more to the sport than the general population would ever in a lifetime. Even the small tournamnet circuts push healthy dollars into the local economy from the competative angler.
New anglers come and go every year, many of them think they can compete and end up finding out otherwise. The true tournament angler is not only in it for the competition but the comoradorie and if a person doesn't have the necessary social (hard skills) and technical(soft skills) they won't last long in this field. Competative fishing will continue to grow and will be a source of education to many, and manufacturers recognize that and will continue to beckon your hard earned dollar. I know they get a good portion of mine annually!
Eye Lunker, The issue of more regulationn over tournament fishing did not get presented to the general public (ie. spring hearings) as many other items do regarding our resource because there was a bill (AB569) that needed to be addressed regarding culling in Bass tournaments presented earlier this year. The DNR responded with a bill (AB623) and a compromise was made at the governement level. (Weather good or bad is yet to be seen). There will definately be issues, from both businesses and the general public, as to what rules and regulations will be made as more and more of the general public get involved in competative fishing.
Good Luck
Tyee
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Thanx Tyee. That is well put and will agree with you. Sometimes those few 'bad incidents' can dominate one's thinking.:-) | |
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| WOW, I guess for the most part I have to agree with what Rick Larsen said. The events are run for profit and going forward without regulation would be bad for fishing. In fact although the POPULARITY of walleye fishing is at an all time high, general fishing numbers are DOWN. Terminal tackle sales, licenses etc all down in numbers. That's what can happen when a simple thing such as fishing becomes "in appearance" high tech, high horse powered and high testosterone. Also, the DNR has been lobbying for the right to say NO to a tournament, (or regulate tournaments) for awhile, not just in response to bill AB569. So now the job of deciding just how many is too many is at hand. Personally I hope it's fewer, much fewer. We need some tournament free weekends in the spring on the Wolf River. Too many bars holding events IMHO.
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| Doc, What does this mean "POPULARITY of walleye fishing is at an all time high, general fishing numbers are DOWN."? Are you refering to product sales, license sales or fish numbers?
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Location: Oshkosh, Wisconsin | Why do we need fewer tournaments?
Do you guys honestly believe fewer boats will be on the water? That fewer fish will be harvested?
Why should I have to give up my time on the water when the whitebass anglers are out in force? When the pleasure boaters want to enjoy their hobby?
We ALL have equal access to the water. If your worried about damaging the image of tournament angling, lobby tournament bodies to come down harder on enforceing the sportmenship clauses in their events. This rule should be used to ensure something that is grossly wrong does not occur (a 300 boat event on Mothers Day out of Fremont), but other than that, I certainly hope it is used sparingly.
I'm not abtuse - I know as well as anyone how crowded the Wolf, Fox, and Winnebago can get. But let's think this through before we jump to any conclusions. While Wisconsin license sales have been flat or declined in recent years, only California, Texas, and Minnesota sell more licenses than Wisconsin does (4th in sales and 18th in population). That suggests that we are still doing something right.
Perhaps we are selling less licenses, but those buying them fish twice as much as they did 10 years ago?
Here's a decent article on some possible reasons for the decline in sales.
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/news/archive/local_9472627.shtm...
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Brad, it doesn't appear any of the *few brave souls* here voicing an opinion is jumping to any conclusions.
Think a bit about the perception of tournaments in the minds of those who would never want to participate. Then, add to this an event (or two) where a tournament angler buzzed someone out fishing in a small boat.
As this fisher rocked, my guess is there were a few choice words voiced towards this large fishingboat.
Or, in an effort to gain the prize (under pressure to pay for the big debt needed to obtain the equipment), a tournament angler moves in and forces a fisherman out of a spot.
This is the cause of anti-tournament sentiment, and it is growing. So, in my opinion, growth in tournaments equals growth in anti-tournament sentiment.
You are right in stating tournament bodies need to enforce sportsmenship rules, but those newer events - under pressure to fill the roster - will not be interested in limiting their ability to fill out by disallowing participation.
What I am voicing (Doc too? Oh my God I'm going to faint!) is not against tournaments in general, but limits as to the number of anglers being able to participate - in total - on the chain at one time, and the timing.
I am sure there will be much 'DISCUSSION' about this matter in the near future. So we all should get a chance to voice our opinions to those who will be making this decision.
Please consider this, if there are restrictions placed on tournaments, it will provide relief to those who do not like them. And if restrictions do happen, I am sure there will be plenty events scheduled where us tournament anglers will be able to compete our hearts out..
Edited by Rick Larson 7/27/2004 1:59 PM
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Location: Berlin | It was worth the two hours I just spent reading this post to see that Rick and Doc agree on SOMETHING!!!! lol. I personally don't know what to think. The system can easily handle it but it is the local fisherman that is bothered most. The launches keep getting more and more packed. Now close down Millers Bay and there is no room left. Several times this year I have had to use a different launch because my normal launch is full. That hardly ever happened before. Fact is that tournament fishing is only going to get bigger. What now, I don't know. | |
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| Tyee, license sales, terminal tackle sales and other industry indicators show a decline in recreational fishing. My view on the DNR having control over tournament fishing has NOTHING to do with fish numbers and everything to do with having control and the right to say NO when the saturation point of tournament hours, days or anglers reach a limit that is set with the entire scope of anglers and recreational boaters on a particular body of water in mind.
Rick, I had to breath in to a bag for a minute too when we agreed on something LOL
Edited by Joel "Doc" Kunz 7/27/2004 12:37 PM
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| Anti-tourney fishermen....................
I have several thoughts, but by far the most needed improvement is on the water "Good Sportsmenship". This is the only line of defense for tourney fishermen and to raise the sportsmanship to a "professional" level. This also applies off the water.
With that being said......perhaps my previous posts weren't at that "professional" level, at any rate probably not a very good sportsmanship like deed.
I'll leave it at that.
Forgive me FISHGOD, for I have sinned. (hey, I didn't lose my sense of humor)
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I also know that fishgod.:-)
We all have sinned. It's kinda like an initiation to half-read someone's post and fire off a knee-jerk response, only to regret doing so.
For what it's worth, I don't mind. There really hasn't been any harm. Just powerful ideas trying to find middleground. | |
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| What about the "tournment fisherman" that is sitting on a favorite rock pile catching fish having non tournament boats come in and in essence push him out of his spot. What about drifting down the wolf river and catching a walleye in front of a passing non tournament type boat only to have him anchored right there on your next drift. Or when you are enjoying a peaceful drift and an uneducated fishing boat slows to half wake causing a 3 foot wave for everyone while he watches if your catching fish or not (More than likely so he can anchor on that exact spot).
This happens daily but not much is said usually because tournament folks are held to a higher standard than the average fishing joe.
I think it is time for the non tournament fisherpeople to start respecting tournament anglers as well. We contribute a lot to the well being of the system and as Jayman previously alluded to, winnebago is in great shape right now and will continue to be in the years to come due to succesful spawns and excellent information which sometimes comes directly from tournaments. I know we will not get that respect, but it is still deserved.
I don't agree with tournament anglers having special rules that others dont such as culling fish. However I do feel that if someone wants to spend their hard earned on a tournament and spend a day on the water for competition what is wrong with that. If they are on the same rule structure as everyone else what is it hurting. In addition they are not keeping 15 14" fish every time theygo out like many of the folks anchored out on the reefs in their 14'ers are right now.
Pleasure boaters cause just as many problems as fishing boats on any given weekend. Try fishing the mouth of the river in oshkosh on a saturday afternoon. Nothing is said about that. We all live with it, and that is fine. However, tournament boats should be able to move up and down the system within safety constraints just as the pleasure boats do without getting a black eye from other non tournament fisherman.
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| hahaha you guys are killing me! WOW there was a point not too long ago that I might have agreed with some of your points (Doc and Rick) but as I educate myself more and more everyday I am starting to wonder why I ever thought the things I did. I too had sour thoughts of tournaments at times in my early years of fishing Poygan as you did Doc, and seeing high speed rigs fly THROUGH the canes. But as time goes on and rules change and the competative fishing sport grows in Wisconsin I see things much differently now, Yes there are the days that little boats get rocked in the river (I did many a times myself) but not only by tournament boaters but pleasure boaters as well. This anti-tournament sentiment you both tend to portray in your opinions over the past couple of years has always sparked my curiosity, but I still haven't figured out where it is coming from in your minds that is. It seems to me that your focus has always been in regard to walleyes and never too much thought or discussion on other species. I can only venture an opinion based on what I have read in your posts and it just seems to me that there might be conflict going on in your heads about this particular species, be it jealousy, envy, my fish, my river, or something else I can't seem to put my finger on it though. Neither of you have ever confronted the Bass tournaments and I wonder if it is because you don't participate or care to because it is often thought as a substandard species in this area? Either way I think you guys need to take a real hard look at what competative fishing (not only walleye tournaments) means to this state, and try and relate it to what it has ment to states like Kentucky, Tennesee, Texas and others. I think this insight might open your eyes a bit! By the way we should all get in a boat sometime, I think we could have some interesting discussions if we don't kill each other first!
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Now Tyee, you really don't mean that!
There is no anti-tournament sentiment in my mind. If the majority of Wisconsin citizens have no problems with tournaments, then have 100 a day for all I care. My boat and my attitude can feed off of what these not-caring-about-anything-but-the-prize tournament-anglers can throw at me. But something tells me this will never happen, as beginner anglers, and those looking for some respite (that's quiet time for you speed readers) will not tolerate these screaming meanies.
As mentioned in Dave's post directly above, there are many non-tournament anglers who have no ill-thought towards disturbing a tournament angler. And why is that? Jealousy? Probably, but that doesn't change the fact that it exsists. As much as you want to place your finger in the fire of this controversy, YOU won't change this sentiment.
So now, assuming I hit on a fact, what are we to do about these feelings? Blame the pleasure boaters? Tyee, that's just so silly! Blaming the guys that are jealous over the big boats and fancy equipment is even more so!
Just to work this out a bit and follow the thoughts of those who want to fight fire with fire; Lets blame all the people who do not like tournaments and ban them from the water. Now we can have more tournaments without any user conflicts. Bet that sounds good to some tournament anglers. Does that sound good to you too Tyee?
There is something sinister about not allowing dissenters a voice by trying to humiliate and intimidate them into submission.
Edited by Rick Larson 7/27/2004 8:29 PM
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Location: Oshkosh, Wisconsin | "If the majority of Wisconsin citizens have no problems with tournaments, then have 100 a day for all I care."
Its sentiment like this that really troubles me. We do not live in a democracy. I don't care if 99 out of 100 people oppose a thing, as long as I'm not infringing on your rights, what right do you or the others in the majority have to tell me how to live?
Stop thinking about these things in terms of "I have more people on my side, so I must be right" and more in terms of individual rights and freedoms.
Sorry, I'll step off the political soapbox and have another beer. Unless of course, the majority of you thinking drinking BEER is wrong, just like that bunch on do-gooders in the 20's.... | |
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| Tyee, I am not "anti" tournaments, man don't make it out to be that simple. You're deeper then that?
My views have been posted before and they are.
I think tournaments are very much needed for product development and as a place to grow the popularity of the sport.
I felt too many un-proven people were fishing the PWT and calling themselves "Pro's", the PWT changed that.
I think there are too many "Jr" circuits. GNWC, AWA, WWA, etc etc
I think there are too many BAR tournaments on the Wolf river in spring.
I think the RCL is hog wash. Limiting entry by boat type is why.
I think the WWR is mathimatically flawed. (just mentioned this because it's tournament related)
I think pre-fishing and the sharing of information for walleye tournaments should be done like the B.A.S.S. events are run.
I don't like fishing competatively, I've tried it and for the most part don't like getting up that early in the morning that many days in a row and all the balony of mis-information, teams of boats and cheating that goes on. When I went all around the state and Midwest playing softball I was as competative as ANYONE, sharpened spikes when metal was still legal, I can't fish like that. Fishing for me has always been the escape of the pressures of the day, or week. My goals in fishing have always been more towards writing, photography and educating anglers, especially teaching kids.
I am also glad the DNR has gotten the right to regulate tournaments and hope they do as good a job of it here as they have in improving the fishery.
I think that there are too many wanna-be fishing pro's that feel a bunch of tournament entries and patches on their shirt and truck means that they should get a BIG deal on their boat before they even prove anything. Most of these guys don't even know how to properly photograph a fish, write anything for publication or have any clue what the sponsers want but feel one good finish in a Jr circuit and they should be feared as the next coming of the fishing gods.
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| Rick,
Your right much of what I posted above took some thought and some individual interpretation based on what I've "read" Articulation is always something missing in print and very hard for many to express in text. Like what you printed in this paragraph for example.
"Just to work this out a bit and follow the thoughts of those who want to fight fire with fire; Lets blame all the people who do not like tournaments and ban them from the water. Now we can have more tournaments without any user conflicts. Bet that sounds good to some tournament anglers. Does that sound good to you too Tyee?"
See now taken as a paragraph that sounds pretty biased and slanted and I'm trying to figure out why on gods green earth you considered even asking ME if that sounds good? I don't think I ever indicated that in anyway should the public domain be segregated for select user groups AND I don't know of any tournament anglers that feel that way, do you? but I've gotten to know you and your written "articulation" and can tell when your havin fun. Obviously I know you're being pessamistic at times and it makes for very entertaining reading. Personally I try to take the middle road.
I'll only comment that single paragraphs are often open ended, (asking for a response) and don't often leave much room to "articulate" your true feelings especially when discussing controversial topics.
Doc, thanks for taking the time to point out your opinions I appreciate them, websters definition of Anti is "one that is opposed" Doc there were never more than three "registered" walleye tournaments on the river this spring on any given weekend why do you think that is too many? The fact that you don't like competative fishing is very evident in a lot of your posts. As for the sharpend spikes thing, Should I be surprised? I'm sorry but I think there is a lot more required than being able to take a picture and write an article.
Personality and being, Respected amoung your peirs is by far much more important. And if we ever get on the water together remind me to leave my kids at home They have learned enough already, hehehe
Brad, What do you mean Nevermind? Have you had time to think about it?
As a famous shrink once told me, Hear(read) it, Feel it, Forgive it, Confront it. Believe you me that don't happen overnight!
Good Luck
Tyee
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Well Tyee, that is alot more of a thoughtful response than what I am used to. Was thinking the only people habitating message boards were witless knee jerks reacting emotionly to any post that might infringe on their beliefs (if one can figure out what I just meant, then your not one of these:-))
However, will take up an issue with you. You did infer I was anti-tournament, I have always and only 'sympathized' with those who are.
I truly hope you never figure out what is in my mind.
I have always typed tournaments as in all tournaments, but do have a particular peeve against Bass Tournaments and the culling issue.
There is a difference between jealousy and envy. Envy leads to destroying what is at issue and do not believe anyone (does anyone want to destroy the gamefish?) discussing tournaments have this emotion.
Your wanting me to "take a hard look at tournament fishing" is a statement way over my head. What the ell you think I have been doing the last three years? No, I really meant what I said and think you would choose to side with a high-profile tournament angler before helping and understanding the needs of those fishing off the bank and in small boats. And that doesn't mean it's a negative, just that you have choosen sides, where I have not.
And Doc, how does one become a 'pro-fisherman'?
I gotogo fishing at Saginaw, cu@ll in 12 days or so...
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| Rick, You are assuming there is a conflict between a high profile tournament angler and the Shore or small boat fisherman. I have never seen one so I don't know what you mean. A high profile tournament angler knows better than to create a conflict. And by the way, you do know that I am one of those small boat shore fishermen don't you? I don't take sides...... Hey...Seriously.......Good Luck to you this weekend catch some big ones!
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Location: Oshkosh, Wisconsin | Tyee -
I had a very long, somewhat less than kind post I decided to delete. A beer helped me see that it doesn't really matter. Another and I saw my misplaced anger. 1/2 way through the third, I deleted the post and went to bed.
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There is a huge conflict in the minds of many non-tournament anglers. Some believe tournaments only kill and waste fish (facts do support this), some can not afford to buy one of these boats and are jealous of those who can, and some of these anglers just don't like being buzzed by big boats - and yes, pleasure boaters are to be included in this mix - and will simply point to tournament anglers as the cause of all the problems they are having.
This is not to say this is a problem everywhere. You can use the giant expanse of Green Bay as an example where there will be little conflict. Heck, small boaters only have a few (calm) days to even have a chance to fish her.
But water as skinny as the Wolf will have many conflicts between small boater, shore fisherman, and any boat capable of creating loud noises and big wakes. Unfortunately, that includes tournament anglers...
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| Rick as you know I believe there is a difference in the "high profile tournament angler" and the regular tournamnet angler. You have made some very interesting comparisons Greenbay vs, Wolf River. and some valid points but don't you think you should stand up for what you believe in, without looking for all the that negativity.
Whenever someone makes a statement of controversy about tournaments or something regarding them you seem to jump on the bandwagon and join in. Instead, as a tournament angler shouldn't you be defending them and supporting them. It appears that as a tournament angler yourself, you continue to drive on the wrong side of the road! Or am I the one on the wrong side of the road with blinders on?
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Location: Rhinelander | 'Some believe tournaments only kill and waste fish (facts do support this) '
Let's see a listing of the facts you state support 'this', and a fishery biologist's opinion supporting the 'facts'. Then let's see the facts surrounding the harvest figures on the same waters by the average angler you insist is so mad at the competitive angler. | |
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Location: Milw, WI | Just a wild stab here.
But the facts support the people thinking this.
One example comes to mind was the outrage at the RCL greenbay a few years back.
All dead fish went in to the land fill.
Very upsetting to a lot of people.
But the reason was no one could verify that every one of these larger than eatter size fish were safe to eat.
There for not safe for a fish fry or food pantry.
Do not think he was saying the facts show wasted fish.
Just that the puplic at large has that mind set.
Which I have found to be very evident.
Which when speaking to regular fisher people, often I here" Well those tournament guys kill all the fish."
"Thats why were not getting them like we used to."
I explain that most (here in WI, anyway) strive for 100 percent release.
And they are welcome to come to the weigh ins and see the boats take the fish back out.
Resonse is mosty "I did not know that."
Just yesterday we spoke with a guy bragging about the bass tourney he fishes once a year.
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| The B.A.S.S. is doing research to find the impact of tournament fishing on a body of water. I believe they have found that as long as the tournament catch doesn't exceed a certain percentage of the recreational catch, there is no effect. The results they had on all the bodies of water they tested (except one) had tournament catches much lower then recreational catches. (numbers like 15% - 20%) On one body of water it was like 54%, they were obviously concerned on that particular lake. I don't know for sure if pre-fishing was taken in to consideration or not, but I think it has to be when considering the impact on a fishery. I'm sure you can take the number of fish registered in any event bass or walleye and multiply it by at least two for fish caught and released on a particular day then multiply that number again to cover fish handled in conjunction with an event. I would hope the DNR would factor that with boat traffic, historical migrations of fishermen to certain areas to avoid conflicts and keep all events post spawn.
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Tyee. To think that tournament fishing needs defending is to think it needs it. Why would one have to? Maybe because there are issues that do need to be addressed.
The last three years I have rubbed elbows with tournament anglers while fishing the same (how many tournaments have you fished?). Really have met some interesting people and have had many experiences, ranging from memories that will carry many positive stories, to being able to write a book about all the negativity that tournaments bring out in people.
Tournaments do have a very, very seedy side to them and if you want to push this further, I would be happy to type out some very detailed paragraphs with names and their actions.
Better yet, that book idea is excellent! Complete with pictures!
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| Seems a couple of detailed paragraphs would lend credence to your stance, Rick. To the uneducated eye (mine), it seems now that you sit squarely atop the fence, unwilling to take a stand one way or another. Perhaps this is because of your mixed experiences in tournament angling. So - more detail please. I, for one, would read with great interest.
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| Rick,
Obviously you know I haven't experienced the things you have in tournaments but from your posts and I've had to go back and read a number of them. I am trying to figure out what is so NEW that you have experienced to express the negative side all the time.
There is negativity, Jealousy and many other types of emotional feelings in ALL competative events. It is what is inside a person that looks at the event and interpretes it in his own mind as to what he/she will gain or "learn" from the experience. Obviously you have had some bad events and I know by your posts that there are many good things you have experienced, but more often than not, you continually express the negative side on discussion boards! Why is that?
Too the general public that may be inexperienced about this sport or wants to learn more, your posts are well.. kind of intimidating. To your friends, Maybe not but we know you as a person that loves fishing and personally I chalk it up to life experiences and hope to see more of them be enjoyable for ya!
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Hehehe. Wonder how many of you have sat on the computer this weekend waiting for my reply...:-)
Oh yeah Tyee, there are a whole range of emotions felt by EVERY tournament angler. From great disappointment to a very high adrenaline-pumped thrill that will be the most excitement experienced in one's life.
Now Tyee, if you have dreams of one day becoming a Kavejacz-like fishing star, then I forgive you for not being able to handle the truth, as to come to grips with the near impossible odds (of becoming Kavejacz-like) would be to destroy your dream.
But if you do not have these dreams, then please be aware there are a number of tournament anglers who have no interest in hearing about sportsmanship. Their single-minded desire is to win the prize and get all the girls (girls = attention). This is true.
If you are a competitor of theirs, these so-called anglers will deceive you with false information. If they feel like someone is getting more attention, they will spread false rumors. They will steel your baits and pull the plug on your battery charger. They will pour water in your boat's gas tank. They will have their cohorts try to get in your way when you are fishing and burn the spot. These are just a few of the benign experiences I have had. Want to hear the juicy ones?:-)
But don't get me wrong, I have experienced these half-wits in my business career and know it is part of the landscape. Just that it is true and it's best to allow everyone to know the truth. Sorry you can't handle it Tyee.
And as far as that smart-alect highlighting my performance at Saginaw. The problem was the MWC scale was malfunctioning when our fish were being weighed!
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I would quit the game that you obviously can't handle and leave the rest of us do our own thing. Of course, however, I will be glad to continue taking your money if you so choose. | |
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Location: Rhinelander | Pour water in your gas tank? Unplug your battery charger? I have been around tournaments for years, and have NEVER heard anyone complain about things like this. Why would anyone do that to you? Or were you perhaps speaking of others this has happened to?
Cohorts getting in your way and blocking you off spots...there are rules about that, and if you could prove someone was doing that, especially if it was another boat that wasn't in the event, the resulting ruling from the event Director would be very bad for the angler who set the 'block' boat up. If it's just another tournament boat; well that's part of the game too.
Competitors giving other competitors 'false information' is part of the game. Any sport has it's psychological aspects, this one included. Easy way around that: don't believe your competitors. They may be trying to put you off your game plan. That's a newsflash!
To your previous question:
I asked you to provide actual proof of a very strong statement. I wouldn't consider that nit picking. If you make a statement here that is to be accepted by the rest of us as fact, then be prepared to back it up.
Competitive angling involves people. People will not always be 'nice'. That's life, man. Your accusations are a bit strong, that's for sure. If indeed there is someone watering gas tanks or otherwise sabotaging rigs, that person needs to be removed from the competitive field forever. If you indeed have proof of this, and did not take said proof to the tournament officials, you have done yourself and all your competitive angling peers a disservice.
In order to acquire the stature Kavajecz has, one has to commit big time and have the raw elements for success in the fisrt place. One needs to be VERY consistent catching fish. One needs also to 'get it'. Those who do 'get it' know what I mean.
One also has to be a very astute business man, have excellent communication skills, have the bling to back up the initial efforts, know how to approach the public and potential sponsors, and represent one's self in a manner the industry looks for. One needs to commit one's future to that goal and make angling one's life, and one's job. That is a leap not many can take, for obvious reasons. Those who can and those who do despite the fact they shouldn't because of the financial burden do so with because they WANT to. I have never seen anyone forced to compete. If one doesn't WANT to or CAN'T compete, one shoudn't. | |
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Ha! Like how can you catch someone unplugging a battery charger? And pouring water in a gas tank? Having baits stolen?
The only clues I received from the number of snide remarks was concerning the Patriot Boat I bought from you at your dining room table. Just maybe there is some connection there as to why me? Or maybe jerry has a clue as he also has sent snide remarks my way.
I know your not niave to the happenings on the trail. Of course, your main goal is to sell boats and motors to those who want in on tournaments and anyone typing about the very deep pitfalls - one might fall into - is only throwing water on your plans - thus your stiff defence.
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Now to answer some of your unbelievable post. My partner did raise a few of these concerns with the director of the tournament we fished, and the response included telling of how a number of Ranger Boats had the specialized plugs removed at the prior tournament. In our case, as well as this one, there is not much proof one can point to. It could even be the actions of those locals who do not like tournaments for all anyone knows, but it still happened.
Also, since we are on the subject, the fella who owns a green Triton up there in the UP does need to be questioned. One guy that might have some answers is Larry Eaton, as I saw his bud fishing with this trouble-maker a few days before that 2003 LBDN PWT Tournament. But you know, the only problem with this who sordid affair is there will be no one admitting to any of these 'events', so why even have an investigation?
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And here is proof to my very strong statement that tournaments kill fish:
http://ws3.coopfish.siu.edu/walleye_tech/sum2000mtg.htm
The whole of this report is revealing, but Kendall Kampke's report starting at number 6 is a must to read.
Also another:
http://www.bismarcktribune.com/articles/2002/07/18/news/local/nws2....
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And NO ONE will ever get to the stature of Kevajecz. He had the timing and has put in a tremendous amount of years to become this huge marketing star. To those who have a belief (to become Kavejacz-like) , all I can say is you better be perfect in all that you do. The odds are great against you.
And finally, not everyone fishing tournaments is participating to become a "fishing star"! Some of us know our limitations and only do this thing to have a bit of sport. We know it's stupid to believe the likes of boat salesman who promote these ideas to sell their wares!
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Location: Rhinelander | 1) Ha! Like how can you catch someone unplugging a battery charger? And pouring water in a gas tank? Having baits stolen?
You directly insinuated you knew it was another Pro who did the things you mention. Now you are saying you have no clue?
2) The only clues I received from the number of snide remarks was concerning the Patriot Boat I bought from you at your dining room table. Just maybe there is some connection there as to why me? Or maybe jerry has a clue as he also has sent snide remarks my way.
Why would your boat brand have anything to do with what happened? Perhaps the reasons behind what happened to you are directly related to your obvious ability to get along with everyone and receive 'Plays well with others' marks. One thing for certain, if you were specifically targeted the reasons behind the sabotage were not to take you out of the top ten. Maybe jerry is commenting on your tone and inability to reconcile fact with fantasy, I don't know. I have no idea what he said, but could easily guess. He isn't alone in his feelings if he's sick of your negative ranting, that's for sure.
3) I know your not niave to the happenings on the trail. Of course, your main goal is to sell boats and motors to those who want in on tournaments and anyone typing about the very deep pitfalls - one might fall into - is only throwing water on your plans - thus your stiff defence.
You are right, I am pretty familiar with the sport of competitive angling.
I did hear about some thefts and some other problems over the years. I submit that happenings like that are the extreme exception, not the rule. I also submit the general feeling is that when things like that happen, it's usually a thief or vandal who is the culprit, not a Pro. Your previous post leads one to believe that you feel CONTESTANTS were responsible.
In the case of this post and my last two, my main goal couldn't be further from your claim. Yes, I do sell boats for part of my living. I also have promoted competitive angling and competitive anglers my entire career, and will continue to do so. Absolutely nothing you could say or do would 'throw water' on any plans I might have, that's for sure. My 'stiff defense' was and is nothing more than a request for you to support your accusatory ramblings with even a shred of reason or fact. You directly accused competitive anglers of some pretty nasty behavior, then when cornered answer with "In our case, as well as this one, there is not much proof one can point to. It could even be the actions of those locals who do not like tournaments for all anyone knows, but it still happened. " accusing an entiely new group of folks.
4) Now to answer some of your unbelievable post. My partner did raise a few of these concerns with the director of the tournament we fished, and the response included telling of how a number of Ranger Boats had the specialized plugs removed at the prior tournament. In our case, as well as this one, there is not much proof one can point to. It could even be the actions of those locals who do not like tournaments for all anyone knows, but it still happened.
What's unbelievable about my post? Wait, a minute ago you were suggesting the boat you run is the problem, are you saying the Rangers were targeted because of a similar association? MY post was unbelievable??
5) Also, since we are on the subject, the fella who owns a green Triton up there in the UP does need to be questioned. One guy that might have some answers is Larry Eaton, as I saw his bud fishing with this trouble-maker a few days before that 2003 LBDN PWT Tournament. But you know, the only problem with this who sordid affair is there will be no one admitting to any of these 'events', so why even have an investigation?
"How to Make Friends and Influence People". Sheesh.
6) And here is proof to my very strong statement that tournaments kill fish:
http://ws3.coopfish.siu.edu/walleye_tech/sum2000mtg.htm
The whole of this report is revealing, but Kendall Kampke's report starting at number 6 is a must to read.
Also another:
http://www.bismarcktribune.com/articles/2002/07/18/news/local/nws2....
Of COURSE Tournament anglers kill some fish. So do recreational anglers, and one HECK of a bunch more than Tournament anglers. In fact, most tournaments allow WAY under the daily bag limit to be weighed, and do the very best possible to see to it as many fish are returned alive as is possible. If one was to take this to the extreme, every tournament angler could keep a limit every day on the water, and be well within legal boundaries. Fact is, most don't. You certainly don't.
7) And NO ONE will ever get to the stature of Kevajecz. He had the timing and has put in a tremendous amount of years to become this huge marketing star. To those who have a belief (to become Kavejacz-like) , all I can say is you better be perfect in all that you do. The odds are great against you.
Absolute total bull. And I mean TOTAL bull. There will be another 'star'angler in the future, and another after that, who will take the top honors. I have seen several over the years, right now it's Keith's turn; and for very good reason. Perfect? Not hardly. Hard work, dedication, attitude and ability have an awful lot to do with success in any job. There will be others, and in fact already ARE others who are doing very, very well.
8) And finally, not everyone fishing tournaments is participating to become a "fishing star"! Some of us know our limitations and only do this thing to have a bit of sport. We know it's stupid to believe the likes of boat salesman who promote these ideas to sell their wares!
I never said all tournament anglers are desiring to be fishing stars. I would submit that MOST hope to win. Nothing wrong with having a bit of sport, but I submit you are having your 'bit of sport' at the expense of many who need none of your particular brand of manure.
You call out competitive anglers with comments like the following:
'If you are a competitor of theirs, these so-called anglers '
'But don't get me wrong, I have experienced these half-wits in my business career'
'be aware there are a number of tournament anglers who have no interest in hearing about sportsmanship'
'Their single-minded desire is to win the prize and get all the girls (girls = attention). This is true'
As far as this goes:
'We know it's stupid to believe the likes of boat salesman who promote these ideas to sell their wares!'
What the heck does this mean? That you are way too slick to be tricked into buying a tournament promoted product, like say, Lund, Mercury, Ranger, Lowrance, Yamaha, Bombardier, or other fine products, or that the salesmen who make their living selling the products are somehow bad people, or are you just attacking me personally?
Mr. Larson, I feel someone with your exceptional communication skills could easily land a job with a top flite magazine like the 'National Enquirer' or the 'Star'. PLEASE, do that. That might just get you off walleye websites, at least one might hope. Please, do us all a favor and take Booger's advice.
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| Your killing me Rick! Sorry If I ruffled some feathers I wasn't waitin around. Where is the Kavejacz-like comment coming from? Was this your goal when you started this Game? I can only repeat what I said before and instead of harping on the negative look for the positive things in the sport. You'll see that you will be respected more for discussing them rather than being the one complaining all the time. Did you really think this sport was any different than any other? Remember respect is something earned not bought! I hope you can work these things out in your head, God knows I don't know what goes on up there! Lets catch some fish, I'm on a hot bite!
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