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| Any word on how it is going.
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Location: Green Bay, WI | The results are now on flwoutdoors.com. Follow the RCL link.
Here's the link:
http://rcl.flwoutdoors.com/tournament.cfm?dpl=1&all=1&sr=1&rpp=50&c...
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| 66, 69, 72, 105...
These are some of the final rankings for Championship participants from the Wisconsin Division. How are the Championship participants determined if not by final points ranking? I realize the top 25 get invited. But after that? I was under the impression that the RCL would call down the list by ranking if any of the top 25 declined to go to the Championship. Although I was hoping to, I never did receive a call from the RCL asking if I could attend. As someone who finished ranked in the low 30's after 3 events, and really wan't to go (if possible), I am mildly disturbed to see boaters who finished well below me fishing in the event. Do I have bad information here? Am I the only one who noticed this? Should I bother fishing the the League events next year if the points don't matter?
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| Curious, not that I know you're answer.
But there are a handful of people that qualified through other divisions, as a guess.
I'd be curious if you get a final answer.......Sonny Reynolds is the guy you want to talk to. |
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| Very interesting. I'd like to know what you find out on this. I would have loved to fish it also, and I finished ahead of some of these guys.
good detective work.
while your at it ask sonny why if they said the Tour championship would be 200 boats (according to their pamphlet) that they have now decided to open it up to virtually everyone who fished a rcl event. going to be a lot of boats in moline. |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | Are you sure you guys are all talking about the LEAGUE events and not the TOUR events. I know the original poster has stated the league but with a 200 boat field i think you are stating the tour events. |
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| I am the original poster regarding the RCL League Championship qualifiers from Wisconsin. Unfortunately, I can't seem to get the overall WI Division League "Standings" page up. The information I have posted comes from clicking on the contestant's name in the Championship "Results" page. This brings up their record in all RCL tournaments, League and Tour.
For example, Mike Dutton's 2004 Wisconsin Division RCL League Ranking is 72nd. He fished one tournament in the SD division and ranked 54th. Perhaps no one from SD wanted to fish the Championship so he qualified through that state?
But here's one that didn't fish another division, Scott Hausauer. He finished ranked 66th after three Wisconsin 2004 League events. How did he get in?
Kind of sucks if you caught fish in every tournament and finished just out of 25th place to see guys that zeroed at Petenwell and finished well down in the rankings fishing the "Championship". 
Maybe the RCL database is corrupt, but my data displays correctly?????
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Location: Green Bay, WI | Just Curious,
Your numbers are correct. I looked at the rankings too. I don't know if they had one more co-angler that didn't get to fish because of not enough boaters, but there should have been 100 boats not 99. By the way some of the other high rankings you missed were 44, 47, 51 and 54.
Maybe what happened is guys that qualified by finishing in the top 25 of their division couldn't make it, so they pulled in some alternates. Also some guys may have had tough pre-fishing and decided to go home early, so when the need for more boaters came up guys at the ready got in. Guys that don't qualified take a risk of pre-fishing and incurring expenses for nothing. I wish I would had the risk. |
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| Thanks. I didn't look through the whole list. I figured there were others.
I will reserved judgement on the RCL until I find out how this played out. Let me make this clear, I have no beef with the anglers. They are all good fishermen in there own right. I just expect tournament officials to run their tournament series fairly. If some of the top 25 in WI didn't want to fish the championship, the RCL should have called #26, then #27, and so on, until they had a full field of 25 from Wisconsin. I would have gone in a flash. Didn't #26 earn the right to fish it if someone else above them opted out. Why pay to fish it next year if the 'championship' field is jury-rigged?
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| I got a call Monday morning. I was 28th in Wisc. Div. I couldn't get off work fast enough to pre-fish so I declined. I was told that all of the S.D. Division Boaters had been offered a chance because they didn't have 25 to go. So now they were going thru the list in other Div. by ranking. I'm thinking Mike mad it thru the S.D. Division. The RCL/FLW had told me last week when I called them to see if I was close to going, to just show up because some guys might not show. This may also be why lower ranking guys are in the finals(good for them). I didn't want to take that chance. The RCL needs to change this because when I was at last years finals, several boater didn't show(droped out). It's a free tourn. but if there not on fish they just pack up and go home with no loss of entry fee. |
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| I've been getting calls to fish the RCL Tour Championship in Moline, but not the League Championship. Of course, I'm not the only one that answers the phone in our house.  |
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Location: Green Bay, WI | Tim,
Good to see you on the site.
Bob
Guest,
The breakdown per state that I came up with is:
WI - 31
MI - 23
MN - 25
SD - 20
This depends on how you count some of the guys that fished two divisions, I picked the state of their higher ranking.
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| I thought I was 47?
And I am not fishing.
Sure would have liked to , even called FLW and said if they needed someone to call.
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Location: Green Bay, WI | The 47 came from SD. |
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| Hi Bob, just like I thought, I got the call @ the last moment. Wish I would of just planed on going, but then again with 39 0's, maybe it's a good thing, I'd be 40(0). On Monday I was told by the person from FLW/RCL they needed more boaters because of boaters dropping out, mostly from the S.D. div. and she was going to go down the line per rank as in overall points. As of last Friday I was on the next to call because 2 Wisc. Div. boaters couldn't go. So that made the 27th points leader in. I was 28th...so close! With only one good day to pre-fish and pissing off my boss with the short notice vacation I declined to go. Thanks again for helping me out Bob, I can always use help. See ya next year. Tim |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | I for 1 will go out on a line and say lets wait until sonny is done with the tournament and then ask for clarification. I for one think what they are doing at a league level is good for fishing and would like to see a circuit like this succeed in the future. This will help get some individuals the ranking they need to go into the PWT or others in the future. Also, if this tournament was held in bull shoals or somewhere else, there would not have been as many "Wishing" they would have gotten the "call" for the chance to fish. God knows we all know and like LBDN. |
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| I agree, I'm having alot of fun in the RCL and dream to make it to that level some day. (or win the lottery). They've always treated me good and you can always call them with your questions. My guess is that at the meeting they were short boaters and some non-qualifing boaters showed up hopping to get in at the last second. Good for them ! as you can see they didn't have 100 so if you were there you were in. Right place @ the right time. |
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Location: Appleton wi | I finished 37 in the wisc division and was called 5:15pm wed nite and declined the offer due to "short notice". With work obligations and kids starting school and no pre fishing i couldnt swing it! I was also surprised on the difficulty they(FLW) had on filling the 200 boats on the tour for the championship.Unfortunalty i am too much of a planner at this point to fish in a tourny with a short notice but if i finish top 40 next year i'll probally just show up at the next championship and expect to fish it!lol |
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Location: Monona, WI | Eye Lunker:
I agree. You can't call people up a couple days before the tourney and expect them to jump. We were all asked at the Winnebago registration whether or not we could/would fish the Championship. The guys that said yes and agreed to fish it weeks ago should all be there. Maybe the RCL SHOULD charge an entry fee. as an incentive for this not to happen.
How about this. The Championship is free, as it is now, but you have to sign a contract to fish it. the contract would have a cancellation fee of $500-1,000. Hotels and some restaurants do this all the time and we don't even think about it. No-shows get charged! If anyone does back out just because their pre-fishing isn't going well, they get charged the fee. The remaining anglers in the field have one less competitor to deal with. No last minute calling and adding of someone far down in the rankings. I'd go along with a no-show fee. How about you guys? If the RCL is good enough to us to have a no-entry fee championship, can't we be good enough to them to show up (with the exception of family emergencies, of course).
Interesting to note, the top 15 leader was ranked 35th in the Wisconsin Division in 2004. I was 31st...
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Location: Kaukauna WI | Still Curious,
I was told that I qualified thru the RCL League in SD not Wisconsin. I hope puts you at ease and in addition were also told that at the rules meeting they were looking for additional 3 boaters because of no shows and to many co anglers.
I my opinion the FLW RCL League Championship event should be made a charge event then have 100% payback to who every enters no matter where the finiish in the event (of you orignial enter fee). This will be only way to make all participants accountable to show and participate in event they commit too.
So Still Curious I hope this answered your question and if you have any more for me please email me directly. I will gladly assist you if possible.
Edited by irishwebs 9/4/2004 8:54 AM
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| STILL CURIOUS:
I AM GOING TO EXPLAIN THIS AS EASY AS I CAN, I WAS CALLED BY SONNY ON WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON AND TOLD THAT THEY NEEDED SOMEONE TO FILL IN. I WAS ABLE TO GET OFF OF WORK AND WILLING TO TAKE THE CHANCE ON NO PREFISH TIME AND HELP THE RCL OUT. I DONT KNOW WHY I WAS CALLED BEFORE YOU OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT AT THE LAST TOURNAMENT I TOLD THEM IF THEY RAN INTO A JAM AND NEEDED A FILL IN TO CALL ME. AS FOR YOU ITS SO COMMON FOR PEOPLE TO COMPLAIN AND WINE ON THESE CHAT SITES AND NEVER COME FORWARD ON WHO THEY ARE OTHER THAN A CHILDISH NAME LIKE STILL CURIOUS OR JUST CURIOUS TRYING TO HIDE. I AM NOT TRYING TO TARGET YOU BECAUSE I KNOW WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM AND YOU HAVE A GOOD POINT I DID NOT QAULIFY AND I DONT KNOW WHY I WAS CALLED BUT IF YOU WERE IN MY SHOES I AM SURE YOU WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME. WE ALL KNOW THAT THE RCL HAS SOME SHARPENING UP ON THE RULES AND QUALIFICATIONS TO FISH THESE CHAMPIONSHIP TOURNEYS. THEY NEED TO BE MORE CUT AND DRY. ALL IN ALL IT WOULD HELP IF YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF SO THAT IN THE FUTURE THINGS LIKE THIS DONT HAPPEN.  |
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Location: Appleton wi | From what i understand from my conversation from sonny reynolds was that monday he filled the slots and then there was 2 no shows at registration.Sure wish i could have made it but there will be a next year! |
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| Don`t think for a second that Sonny did not try to fill the field. When someone backs out at the very last minute what can you do? The next time you see Sonny, or better yet give him a call and tell him Thank You, THANK YOU SONNY for giving me the chance. |
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| Why fill the field?
There is no extra money for those involved with FLW outdoors. It is a no entry fee championship. If 1/2 the field goes home the rest should fish for the money rather than filling in with people who did not qualify throughout the year to be there. |
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Location: Green Bay, WI | What about a QUALIFIED co-angler who traveled from SD, Western MN, lower MI? Are you going to send them home because some boater backed out at the last minute? The circuit does not work without co-anglers. Don't look at this from just the boater perspective.
Ya Ya, I know you next comment. Why stick them with a NON-QUALIFING boater who's going to pull a zero. Heck there were some good QUALIFED sticks that struggled, just look at the PWT results from the week before. It was a tough bite for weeks, especially in the RCL League Championship if you didn't want to go to or didn't know about the WI fish.
Edited by BeFishin 9/9/2004 2:02 PM
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They couldn't fish the wisconsin fish. Out of boundaries. |
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | Not true. Most of the big bags came from Chamber's Island which is in Wisconsin. The entire Green Bay was open to the competitors. |
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| Jerry:
I thought you fished the pwt? The whole bay was not open to the competitors.
For the RCL it was. |
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Location: Kaukauna WI | Many competitors have many friends on varies circles of events why is this hard to imagine. Is it not important for Jerry to look at rules of tourney that he fished in the primary rounds of and possible could fished the championship in?
?? May I ask why you don’t use your own name on here or you wishing to stir up something? I wish for one to say thank you to Jerry for answering question when the need to be answered he straight forward and willing to post here with answer and doesn’t need to be asked stupid questions here.
?? if you wish to talk to me I post my name and email addy so contact me and I discus matters I can give answers on in a honest and knowledgeable way.
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Location: Combined Locks, WI | ?? you must be the same guy as just curious, now your ripping on Jerry. The entire bay was open for the RCL but not for the PWT. Jerry fishes more than just the PWT, not that he needs me to stick up for him.
Scott, I would have gone at the last minute also if I would have my boat and would have gotten the call. I qualified for the Championship in Moline but won't be able to make it so who ever has to fill in my spot will probably get ripped on as well.
Jon Piette
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| Boy that would be terrible to have to fish with a non-qualifier. I'd have hated to fish with a non qualifier if I had been a co-angler. Especially that Tiemenn guy! I mean, c'mon. He was like 45th in WI, 54th in SD, and makes the championship? I guess it would have been real bad luck for those two poor guys that got stuck with him the first and second day. Oh, wait, he was leading after day 2, and put both those guys in great position!!!!!!!!!!
?? and curious, don't rip on the guys who showed up, rip on the guys who didn't! ALso, ??, your IQ is showing. Quit while you're behind.
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| I guess the RCL should change the qualifications for the league championship. You need to finish in the top 25 in your division. If you don't, just show up at the rules meeting for the championship and then you can be in.
Isn't this basically what happened? I just can't see how that is fair to the other competitors. |
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | My bad, folks. I thought ?? was saying that the RCL couldn't fish the Wisconsin side. I re-read his earlier questions and statements and I see the confusion.
The PWT was restricted to Michigan waters while the RCL Walleye League was open to all waters reachable by boat.
Sorry for the confusion. I'm leaving for Houghton now......see ya!!! |
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| Good luck in Houghton Jerry!
Hope you remembered the snowmobile suit and the sunblossom heater for the mornings!  |
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Location: Kaukauna WI | ?? and Still Curious if you could read and understand the concept of the RCL League format you know that this is a event that is set up to be for first the weekend angler not the touring professional.
I would personally bet if you were one of the top 30 in league standing and 5 above you could not go then you were called by the FLW RCL league office you be their in flash.
With that said I now ask you to put you’re self in co angler’s position that took off work and traveled 250 to 800 miles as mine did this last event. Are you enough of person to tell them they could not fish even thou we have a guy here who did the following.
Came to meeting or was called last minute and agreed to show up and assist
Fished qualifying events but didn’t place high enough for early guarantee of entry
Has equipment that will allow safe and great day on water.
In some cases the Co Anglers have taught me varias points of angling as did the Pros did when I was a Co Angler myself. This as allowed me to learn more of sport of fishing and give a outlook of it in this way first as a busness then and most of FUN why of life.
?? if you have a beef please air it out but event is over and allot of people had fun so don’t water down a situation that can not be changed.
I understand in perfect world that people are people and hide for their own reasons but no one is attacking any one here. If you want changes I ask you to be upfront and honest on whom you are for life is short and if you use a fake name are you just as fake of a person? I respect your thoughts but this is not life or death here so respect other posters and use your correct handle.
Edited by irishwebs 9/10/2004 11:03 AM
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