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| I have fished quite a few tournaments where you have to keep your fish alive, what different ideas do other people have to do this? I`ll start out with a couple of mine, I made a water pick-up out of plastic pipe elbows to fit on the water intake of my Lund, it sticks below the boat by 1/4 inch, all I do is leave the lever to on and it fills with fresh water as your traveling. The excess water runs out the overflow.......... This cost about $2.50 to do.....I always did this because those Big eyes use a lot of oxygen out of the water..........another thing I do is have a few bags of ICE on board, I don`t know if it was just keeping that water cool that did the trick or maybe the cold water slowed them down or relaxed them, but I ran 18 miles with the outside water temp at 78 deg, using a 125 quart cooler with an aireator rigged up, and those fish were so LIVELY they couldn`t hardly get em to sit still to be weighed............I guess one of the best things to do is give your self plenty of time to get in, you wont beat them to death.......What Ideas do you guys have??????? |
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Location: Rhinelander | Oxygen and temperature are critical. Keeping the usually much warmer surface water from the weigh in area out of the well helps, so a good recirculating pump will help keep the fish fiesty. |
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Location: Midland, MI 48642 | Go to the following link and you will find the survivor. It is the BEST thing you can to your boat to keep fish alive. I have one on my skeeter and it really works great.
http://www.lake-link.com/store/itemdetails.cfm?ProductID=164 |
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| This is what I've always used and they work great. Keeping the livewell full is as important as anything with lots of water flowing through.
http://www.thmarine.com/product.cfm?PRID=168 |
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| Can you rig the survivor on a Skeeter 2050 with the slanted offset pad? |
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| Tacklebox - 9/15/2004 11:20 AM
Can you rig the survivor on a Skeeter 2050 with the slanted offset pad?
I don't know about the Skeeter, but I can't put one on my YarCraft because of the curvrature of the hull around the water intake. |
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| In addition to a fresh water pick-up. I always plug my overflow and let the water run onto the floor and into the boat. Automatic bilge then discharges. This leaves no space for air in the livewell and helps prevent the "sloshing" effect when running which beats up the fish. Not bouncing off the livewell walls does wonders for the fish!!!
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| Aqua Innovations has a really smart system out there now too. I'm considering putting one in my next rig. It maintains a high oxygen saturation in the water of the livewell, even moreso than the recirculator systems we normally have in our boats. I believe Tracker has them in the "pro team edition" Tundras. |
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Location: Combined Locks, WI | The "Survivor" really is an awsome product that won't break the bank. It is not rigid and will flex at speeds and will also flex and deflect if you should hit something. For more info goto www.ynottech.com |
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| I agree, the Survivor is the best product out there!!! It takes about a minute to install with no altering your boat. Check Y-Not Technologies if you have questions e-mail Robert he will do what he can to get it to work on your boat! Good Luck....Todd Mueller |
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Location: Neenah, WI | Probably the biggest mistake I've seen lately is people drawing outside water while waiting for the weigh in. There's lots of gas and oil in the water from all the boats and that's not good for the fish. Once you fill the livewell go to recirculate. I also have a survivor on my Cresliner and it's 30 bucks well spent. |
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| sorry tacklebox ! it will not fit the 2050. because of the inward slant. a very big THANK YOU to the rest that such kind words to say about our product SURVIVOR. take care and be safe----robert |
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| I just put a Survivor on my Ranger 692 and it was simple to install. Was wondering if, because it does flex, does that prevent water from entering at higher running speeds? |
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| I guess I have another question for you guys. I set the intake just so the bottom sticks out under the hull as the directions say. Did I do that right or does the whole intake have to be under the hull line to work? Thanks. |
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| hi jess
best bet is to lower it a little more. like about 1/2 to 3/4 below the boat . that seems to be the sweet spot for rangers. you can always keep adjusting to fit your needs. should fill at top speed without any problems if adjusted properly. usually only a tweek away. thank you very much---robert |
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| I put a Survivor on my 1895 Storm DC Yar-Craft this spring and it works perfect. I have it hooked up to my right rear live well. I already have a fresh water pick (the ones you can buy at Fleet-Farm) for my front live well. Anyway, the transom on my boat is offset and actually has an inset well about 4-5" or so directly in front of my 200 EFI - if my memory serves me right. I attached the Survivor unit the the left pump intake (for the back livewell) and angled it to the left about 45 degrees. This is just enough to "pick up" water flowing past that corner and easily pushes it to the my back livewell. Hopefully, this info will help you. |
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| This is great discussion, The DNR has created an advisory board for recommending tournament rules and regs for the upcomming season and one of the first topics of discussion is livewell requirements for tournaments in Wisconsin. I will be forwarding some info to them and I expect some of these comments to be discussed. If there are other products out there that help I would appreciate links to them so I can research some of this more! It would be nice if there were incentives to those anglers that used these systems rather than a penalty for dead fish at the weigh in don't you think?
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| tyee
if you would. please give us a call at 262-644-5337. we would like to talk to you about this d.n.r proposal and advisory board. i called them a while back about the the meeting in stevens point. but got no response.we would very much like to be in on this. and really bring this extremley important issue to the forfront.as an x tournament guy, i know how much this type of device is needed. thats why i designed it. not only for the tourny guy, but for the every day fisherman that wants to practice catch and release.hopefully talk to you soon----robert |
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | Tyee,
here is another option that I have heard of. I have no experience with using this system but have heard second hand that it works and could be an answer to future DNR demands.
http://www.aquainnovationsinc.com/
anyone using this system?
My first reaction is pricey. |
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| Does any boat manufacturer insulate their livewell ? I know some used to have a divider in them so you could separate the fish so they weren`t banging into each other......Keep thinking guys , you all have ideas and experiance. |
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Location: Appleton wi | This is great information Guys!! Thank you very much |
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| to Sunshine. We have a oxygenator in our livewell from Aqua Innovations and when we put our fish in the basket to take to weigh-in they are literally jumping. No dead fish for us, they remain healthy even if they were the first catch of the day. We are pleased with it totally. |
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Location: Combined Locks, WI | One of my co anglers in the RCL walleye league told me that on hot days when the water is hot (like we had this year in July for the RCL league on Bago) to put a pinch of canning salt in the live well. I don't know if this is true or not, and would love to hear from someone that may know the answer. |
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| Just wondering what the salt would do????? |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | The survivor helps to put fresh water in while running. Perfect. At that RCL where everybodys fish turned south, they were setting in the harbor for how long before weigh in? It was hot and how many guys had there aerator pumps on. Then if you recirculated it got hotter yet. Roberts product will not help in the situation. A approach would be the use of ice to cool the water. Insert a chunk of ice and recirculate. Make sure to shut down all water intake while still out on the lake. The harbors are full of gas. Lets not start making rules that something else has to be added to a boat just to fish a tournament. Just like most things, common sense will rule. |
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Location: Combined Locks, WI | This is just what I was told, but when salt disolves it releases oxygen into the water.
Stacker,
You are right in that situation the "Survivor" won't do much good, but by having the "Survivor" on and working you are making sure the fish survive the ride back and you at least have a chance to keep them alive. Without the "Survivor" your fish may not even make it back on a hot day. This is just a preventitive measure that will help you get the jump on fish survival. I was one of them that lost fish floating in that bay. You can ask my co angler when we got back our fish were very lively, it was the warm water and whatever else was in the bay that did the fish in. Also the last holding tank prior to going on stage was very warm water and probably should have been changed every so often or cooled down. After leaving the stage we put the fish in the live release tank and all of my fish righted themselves and swam but that was too late as the deductuion already was set. That water was chilled down ( I felt it and it was much cooler than my livewell and the holding tanks.) I would love to see every boat with a "Survivor" on it. If nothing else it shows we are at the vary least trying to save fish for live release.
Y-Not,
Let me know if you need anything when talking with the DNR as I would love to help and give them some examples or stories about how this product helps save fish.
Jon Piette NPAA #294
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | Crestliner
I believe that is exactly what I said, the survivor works while running. Perfect. But like I also said, lets not start making rules to add more gadgets to your boat, to cure what common sense should have.
No Bob, I am not calling your product "Just a gadget". |
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| There are going to be rules for tournaments regarding livewells and I think anything that helps the survival should be a mechanism that is promoted and supported by both the organizations and the State as a means of improving the quality of these tournamnets. As for WI venturing into new territory with this, I think the only thing they are concerned about is the best possible way to keep these fish alive, currently the regulations are governed by the tournament organizers and many if not all of them require a livewell of sorts. What the State is looking to do is incorporate that as possibly a "law" or rule that is required. Usually state regs are much less restrictive than what is required by the professional organizations. If there are devices out there that improve this even more, I would expect these manufacturers to be anxious to "get the word out" about them. It would be nice to have one group or place to go to, to find out about them. It would be great to have a list of manufacturers that make devices of this nature for the ever expanding competative angler environment. I expanded my post before about the possible "incentive" for live fish to those anglers rather than having it be percieved as a (negative) or a "penalty" for a dead fish. The open ended statement was intended to raise discussion as to what manufacturers or organizers could do to spur the positive rather than the negative! Y-Not, I have been on the road and will be in touch.
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| sounds great tyee! i`m looking forward to our conversation. you have really hit the mark with your thoughts on LIVE FISH INCENTIVES. not the DEAD FISH PENALTY RULE thats been around for ages. it`s time for a change, and with the available products out there like the SURVIVOR. hopefully tournaments and the anglers that fish them will become much more recieved by the public, when the public it`s self can see that the tournament organizers and the tournament angler along with the every day fisherman/woman are doing every thing possible to keep these priceless fish alive. this isn`t really that big of an effort for any one when looking at the big picture is it ? any tournament organization that would adopt this would and will be the shinning heroes in the industry.if any one would like to call us and talk openly about this topic please feel free to do so we can be reached at 262-644-5337. thank you all very much. take care---robert |
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | I was at that RCL where some fish turned south. My fish stayed perfectly healthy because I had the foresight to shut down all water intake while still out on the lake and then aerated the water consatantly WITHOUT adding water.I agree that just like most things, common sense will rule. I remember commenting to my Co-angler that day, that many fish would die because I saw people pumping in water from the bay.
I'd also like to add that newer boats like my 04 Lund Pro V 1900 already have water pick up on the fly. This has saved me fish on very long runs because I set it so water is constantly coming and livewell is always full. On hot days, I run the aerator constantly, again, common sence.
I just wanted to clear the air.................... Not ALL fish died at RCL, but way too many did and it's sad. It could have been prevented. Many of the boaters did not use common sence or what I thought was common knowledge in this type of situation. Let's hope everyone learned from this situation including the RCL who should have explained this techniques at the rules interp meeting. They need to remember that there are a lot of people fishing this series who do not have a lot of experience. |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | Sunshine, I think you so nailed this on the head. Alot of the inexperienced had no clue what to do to take care of thier fish correctly before weigh-in. I hope they don't promote a band-aid fix for something that won't stop most of the problems anyhow. |
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| There must be some more ideas out there, come on folks........ |
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Keeping Your Fish Alive !