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Location: blue mounds,wisc | all i have to say is "PAIN" . after spending 6 strait days of practice with one walleye caught and i had one other fish on, which was hooked up right under rangerpats boat as we talked on the water ,was all that MR. HARSH and i could come up with. we tried everything but C-4 . so many anglers didnt have a clue on what they were going to do for the tourny. days one and two i had good partners that were lost about the fishing. day three came with the hopes of one fish that would get us into the money. the pattern that was emerging was a shallow bite on stickbaits on main lake points. my day three partner DUSTIN KJELDEN from S.D., decided that we were going to throw smithwicks at the bank and try to come up with some action. the second point we went to was perfect,a small chop was blowing across the point that just looked like there should be fish there. on my second cast i hooked into what we thought was a walleye but turned out to be a giant smallmouth.
at 11 AM. WE talked about his prefishing and during his prefishing on of his partners caught a 8lbr. on leadcore. it took some talking from me to get dustin to switch programs and swing for the fence and get the lead out . i put out my first bait and snagged up right away. after retying i let the crank back out,as soon as it hit bottom i reeled in one color which i new it would put my crank 5-7feet of the bottom. we didnt go 100yards and to see that rod wrap around the back of the boat was AWSOME. I had dustin take the rod as i began to clear the other lines.
i went one step farther and turned off the kicker motor,to put less pressure on the fish,and to not spook him when he got close to the boat,i learnd this from TODD RILEY a few years back, that during a tourny no matter what you have to land every fish. it was like clockwork, by the time i did my part dustin had the fish ready for netting, once i netted the fish and had it in the boat we let out alot of emotion and then relized that we had over three more hours to add to the first.
needless to say it didnt happen. but we did what we were praying for we got on the board and new we were in the moneywith one fish in three days.
the championship was on the line in this tourny,knowing most of the field zeroed on all three days and didnt get any points for this tourny. we recieved 174 out of 200 possible points.
i finished in 27th place and dustin got 24th . |
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| Thank God he had you in the boat to tell him what to do! I'm sure he would have zeroed again. |
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Location: Elgin, Illinois | Larry,
I am glad you guys had the guts to go with something that worked. I've been in the boat with you enough to know you can ignore "GUEST"... I dislike anonymous posts, but I really dislike ones that take cheap shots behind "no name, no face, no guts and no honor or integrity".
Congrats on finishing in the money. |
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| What I found most interesting about the post is the comments on information sharing (locations and methods). I am always wondering were the line is on sharing information learned prior and during a tournament. My interpretation is the Pros are to pick the game plan for the day, and if the partner for the day starts to share information, and it is used, you are not in-line with the spirit of the rule. |
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Location: Elgin, Illinois | As I said, I know Larry... And, I don't know you... But, then who could... You want to criticize someone, you should at least have the personal integrity to do so under your own name. I guess it is just hard for me to understand the "anonymous" thing...
Whatever you may believe... Larry is a very good angler... And, yes the Pro is "in charge", but Larry has every right to express an opinion that the Pro should try something that had worked for him on a practice day.
So, let it go... Larry reported the last day from his perspective and that is just fine with me. |
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Location: Elgin, Illinois | Hi Stpper...
Read the post carefully, Larry says they talked about the Pro's prefishing (not anybody else's). Larry has been fishing the PWT as a Co for a few years and I know he does not cross the line or he would not be invited to prefish by the Pro he travels with....
Herte's the qote; "talked about his prefishing and during his prefishing on of his partners caught a 8lbr. on leadcore."
The idea for the last day's fish was, as stated, based on a fish caught by the pro in prefishing. That is a very permissible conversation and result...
But, enough from me... Larry is big enough to defend himself... (not as big as me...LOL, but big enough)
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| Thank you for pointing out what I missed. Reading quickly, it came across differently too me. My point to my post was more aimed at understanding the fine line of information sharing, not that Larry did anything wrong. Anyway, I sure there was a lot of talking going on, since no one seemed to be able to get into a reliable pattern. |
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Location: blue mounds,wisc | dustin made the final decision to go trolling. i told him that what ever he decided was his choice, and i would support his decision. we continued to throw smithwicks for another hour before he wanted to switch programs and troll. this is when we decided together that with the calm winds and sunny skies that the pattern we were fishing wasn`t gonna work. thats when we swung for the fence and went after a big fish. as a co-angler you must use your fishing skills to the max,the pros dont make every cast for you. they are very lucky to draw a great fisherman on tourny days, we all know the luck of the draw and dont know who or how much they can rely on there partner to perform flawlessly and catch fish. if it is a jig bite and the co does nothing but snag up and never gets it down , not only does it hurt his chances it hurts your pro partner also.
plus i want to express my oppinion on shareing info, i have never ever gave info to my pro partners on the fishing. this is agianst the rules and i would never break that or any other rule. but what i bring to the boat each day is my vast experience at walleye fishing and the skills that every pro would like to have every day on the water during a tournament. |
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Location: Elgin, Illinois | The rules are different for the PWT and the FLW... The PWT is very restrictive and does not permit the Co-Angler to suggest anything. The FLW rule reads as follows:
"Co-anglers who share their pro partner's fishing locations with any other competitors will be disqualified along with the person utilizing this information"
So, only the sharing of a previous day pro's locations are prohibited. |
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Location: Green Bay, WI. | Hey Larry wasn't that a fun tourney! The most excitement I had was drifting along with you & Pete, talking about about nothing & everything. Then your rod buckles over, I closed my eyes so I wouldn't see what you were doing (sure I did HONEST)
See Ya at the next Goat Roping, Pat |
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| Hey Larry,
Did you lose a few colors of that leadcore with a chartreause jointed thunderstick attached to it, in Jimmy Creek?
I snagged that mess, and brought it in....I kept the crankbait of course. 
Juls |
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Location: blue mounds,wisc | juls, that wasnt our lure we went with #5 shad raps in the shad pattern, we caught the walleye off of #12 on the main lake point in 30ft of water. it was good to see you there. all i have to say about this tourny is that i learnd alot about those deep southern resivores is that when the water is cold STAY HOME !!!! SEE YA AT ERIE .. |
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| nice job with the fish larry yall had a terrible bite down there so you did your best and got 1 that sounds like a million there with that bite so slow. gj and gl in the rest. Fish as much as possible because you dont live forever. forget what the negative people say and just do your thing they dont matter in life. |
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| To put an end to the controversy of weather Dustin got info he should not have I will tell you this. I talked to him on Thursday night, He said Wednesday he casted for 3 hours and pulled lead the rest of the day, day two he casted all day and he said for day 3 he was going to “swing for the fence” and pull lead deep for those hogs due to the fact that the cloud cover was not going to be around. I’ve fished with Dustin several times and he always shuts the kicker off in this situation, I ‘m sure the kicker was not shut off because of something this guy learned from Todd Riley.
Thanks, Corey Rost
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| Certainly the pro is the captain of the boat. Pros often ask opinions of the ams and often they are just educated guesses ie" this bite is slowing down, do you think we shoud move?" or "I found the bite to get better as the afternoon progresses, should we stick it out? A pro can be asking questions, some times rhetorically, only looking for confirmation or support of a decision. Especially when things are really tough and one cannot get the fish to go. As long as the am is not giving away proprietery information, opinions can be offered.
Take care,
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Location: Elgin, Illinois | Brings up a good point... I'll post another thread about the rules differences between the FLW and the PWT on "sharing info". |
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Location: Elgin, Illinois | Sorry... I did not see any cheap shot at the Pro at all. And, Larry stated why he turned off the kicker, passing on to all of us some advice he had gotten from another Pro. I am sure if he hadn't immediately done that, or something else the Pro wanted done he would have been told. |
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| Hey WalleyeFirst gang, I never thought I would be so happy to catch 1 walleye over 3 days, Larry was a great guy to have in the boat, I liked him so much I gave him the shirt off my back, long story, I just hope he remembers to bring my shirt to Erie, hopefully clean. I spend all my money on cranks, can't afford shirts.
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Location: Elgin, Illinois | Dustin Kjelden - 4/11/2005 5:28 PM
I spend all my money on cranks, can't afford shirts.
DK
Ahhh, now I know you are my kind of guy... If they made a pink/puple/pearl deep diving frogzilla... I would have to have six...
Now, that said... if Larry WORE that shirt... well are you really sure you want it back??? LOL Laundered... how about "sterilized"...
You know what, I can only imagine how very happy you were to catch that one fish... 170+ points and over 50 other guys "blanked"... Yeah, I bet you were more than just happy... Jumping and high fives.... I would have hired a dancer and a cake!!!!
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Location: blue mounds,wisc | dustin, you were a great draw for me and everyone else that got the oppertunity to fish with you. i give you all the credit for putting us in the right location to catch that $3320 fish. partners that can work together and know what to do when things happen fast only succeed..as far as the shirt off your back!!! i owe you a great deal more than that, you continue to fish hard a make the championship. good luck on lake erie... |
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| Larry and I fished together the second day at Bull Shoals. He is a class guy and I would love to have him in my boat everyday. We talked fishing all day and not once did he make any comments or suggestions that would cross the line. I just feel bad I couldn't find us any fish. It wasn't for lack of effort. We don't fish against each other, we fish against the fish. If you beat the fish you win. At this tourny the fish definately won!!
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what a tourny