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| Just got off the phone with my partner Pete. Day 3 at Bay City was cancelled. Looks like Dave Van Oss wins a one day event.
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| Thi may not be confirmed yet. I got a call earlier that some of the anglers were reacting to other angler's radio conversations about cancellation, but JK had not officially cancelled the day. I'm trying to confirm by phone now, and will let everyone know asap. |
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| CONFIRMED!! Van Oss wins. |
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| Good For him!!!!!!!!! 
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| Wow good for him! But just think of the time and money put into pre-fishing and travel to fish one day. I fish small tournaments and they have an extra day set for storm days. You would think the PWT would have a storm day setup. I feel sorry for the guys that put all that time and money into this tournament and some of them it hurts the angler of the year points. |
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| Pretty hard to control the weather. Even harder to please everyone with tournament locations. The PWT made the right call, good job. |
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| If they got hurt on AOY points it's their own fault (not anyone else's) by not catching enough fish on day one. As far as blow days, I think on these big water tournaments you have to look at them the opposite of others...assume at least one day will get cancelled due to weather. |
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Location: Neenah, WI | Congratulations to Dave. If memory serves he also won on Saginaw in the mid 90's!!! Way to go. Also, my buddy Candle has the big fish. Way to go. Jim Carroll with a top finish too. Hats Off!!! |
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| Wasn't it Lake St Clair he won? Regardless, way to go DVO. |
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Location: Neenah, WI | Oops, You may be right. At least I had the State right!!
On the blow days: Having fished the PWT on both sides and having days cancelled I can see the frustration. In 1998 I was the 1st place AM going into day 3. They sent us out in some nasty stuff and had a boat capsize but we fished all day. I ended up 7th. That's ok. Gary Gray was 2nd going into day 3 and he won it for his first victory. I was his first day partner and felt myself to be a part of his win. That's Lake Erie for ya. What a great tournament memory.
If they built in a makeup day the logistics would be a nightmare. Where would all the anglers stay. I'm sure their rooms are spoken for, especially on a holiday weekend. |
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Location: Northern Illinois | I agree with BigDeal and Dale. I think you have to strongly consider in your strategy, that any Lake Erie or perhaps even Sag Bay tourney will have 1 day cancelled - no extensions. Just watching these big water events, my memory seems to tell me that cancelling 1 day due to weather seems to be the rule, not the exception. Perhaps Capt Dan has more insight into 3 days tourneys and their cancellations of at least 1 day on Sag Bay. |
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| Where would they stay???????????? I know for a fact that they would sleep in their boats, tow vehicles or under the stars!!!!!!!
Its a shame that a blow day is not even considered.
Most of the tourneys are w-th-fr............my gosh!! you could have 2 blow days......
I think the PWT really needs to rethink and consider it for future tournaments
FLW........your stock just went up!!!!! |
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| "FLW........your stock just went up!!!!!"
SO, this is a nice recovery after the FLW Lake Erie event which did have a blow day? I see, it's so much clearer now. Oh wait, maybe it's the great fishing the FLW had at Bull shoals? I'm sure the PWT gained much ground with it's Cumberland event?
I'm sure you were wise and voted for the FLW event at Green Bay and the FLW event at Devils lake?
It always amazes me how everyone sitting behind there computer seems to have a better way and could fish better than the pro's on any given day. Never,mind the weather, nevermind the logistics, nevermind the prefishing and effort that goes into preparing, nevermind the competition, nevermind......ya probably wouldn't understand anyways..... |
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | Good stuff J-Man.
Heres what I know for sure. There were 88 limits that came to the stage on day one. I'm thinking this fact will stay etched in both the Pro's and Am's minds the longest. Every single competitor I watched weigh in Wednesday on stage had nothing but praise for the Saginaw Bays fantastic fishery. Few seemed intimidated with higher weights by others or discusted at their own bad luck on day one, as all (new and old Bay visitors) seemed to know that one good day could turn it around for any of them in a fishery this rich. Even the ones with not so great weight talked about the 2 or 3 monsters they had right behind the boat, that simply got off. Not one Pro I watched complained about anything, except for maybe leaving their first (BIG FISH) spot to try another.
I've personally never been so impressed with a tournaments handling, and the attitudes of guys (who naturally have big fishing heads) as I was Wednesday at the weigh-in. And the crowd really gave the guys (everyone) a great hand when they came to the stage. I'm guessing the PWT will be back to Bay City even with the unpredictable weather. We have the fish, the facilities, the promotion they want, and the love of both the sport and the Pro's here. Mother Nature won this one, but she can't win them all. 
Edited by walleye express 7/1/2005 3:41 PM
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| Its an AWESOME fishery, too bad they only had one day to fish it!!
If their gonna continue to fish the great lakes, they should have a blow day!! regardless of what the FLW does
I think if you asked the Pros if they would like a blow day, they would be in support of it
"It always amazes me how everyone sitting behind there computer seems to have a better way and could fish better than the pro's on any given day. Never,mind the weather, nevermind the logistics, nevermind the prefishing and effort that goes into preparing, nevermind the competition, nevermind......ya probably wouldn't understand anyways.....
Jayman,
I understand, I never claimed to fish better, I only said they should have a blowday. I know what gas, hotels, and food costs, and I know the time that goes into preparing / prefishing for a tournament..............Thats why they need a blowday
Please give me a better understanding of why they shouldn't have a blow day, I'd love to hear it!!
By the way, you have 358 posts on walleye first!!!! Lets talk about someone sitting behind their computer!!!!!
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| I have a question to all you anglers that are quick to point out that you can't control Mother Nature. How would you feel if you spent roughly $3000 to fish for a measly 8 hours? Would you pay around $375 an hour? Well, that's basically what every pro did for this tournament. My husband included. He has been fishing the PWT for 3 seasons now and every year they have gone to the Great Lakes for at least 1 tournament. Guess what? EVERY YEAR THERE HAS BEEN AT LEAST 1 BLOW DAY!!! I realize that there are great fish that come out there, but why would you continue to hold a tournament somewhere that doesn't allow you to fish all 3 days because of the weather. I'd like to give the PWT the benefit of the doubt, but they're making a lot of money off these pros. My husband has always been a strong supporter of the PWT, but this was the straw that broke the camel's back. He will be fishing in the FLW next year...Along with his 5 teammates...And quite a few other pros from the way it sounds. I also would like to respond to the person that said something along the lines of - the pro's shouldn't complain, they just should have caught more fish on the first day. I don't mean to be rude, but this is a very ignorant comment. The angler in first place on the 1st day doesn't always stay in first place to win the tournament. Which is why it is a 3 day tournament in the first place. You may be on fish one day and not the next. All anglers (and their spouses) know this. It's not fair to say that they should have fished better the first day, because with all the money the pros are spending, I'm pretty positive that they give their all EVERY TIME they go out. My husband was not very far out of the money and could have very well moved up a few places to cash a check, but he did not get that opportunity. I guess that's the luck of the draw, but I just wish I didn't see nearly $3000 go down the drain for 1 day of fishing. |
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| Guest - 7/1/2005 2:48 PM
Its an AWESOME fishery, too bad they only had one day to fish it!!
If their gonna continue to fish the great lakes, they should have a blow day!! regardless of what the FLW does
I think if you asked the Pros if they would like a blow day, they would be in support of it
You seem to have pretty strong opinions for one reason or another and you're entitled to them, but please don't appoint yourself the voice of all the pros. They are big boys and have avenues in place to voice any concerns they may have to the tournament organizations. Contestants entered this week's tournament fully aware of the PWT's format. |
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| If it's just a fishing trip to your husband then he'd be better off going on a vacation and picking his days. You can present what-ifs on both sides of the coin until the cows come home. Point is he entered a contest knowing the circumstances so complaining now on the internet hoping to cause a stir instead of productively to the tournament organizers comes across like, well, **-ssing in the wind, excuse the pun. |
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| I agree with scheduling an extra day in case of a blow day. I'm not trying to speak for all the pros here, but I'm pretty sure they would rather pay an extra night hotel, over spending all that money to only fish for 1 day. The PWT should factor in a blow day whenever they go to the Great Lakes since it always seems to happen. |
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| walleye2005 you make a good point and you did it without yelling in all caps or calling anyone names more people should follow you lead. |
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| I'm not trying to cause a stir here, just giving my opinion since my husband is involved. And since you are so concerned, yes, I have already sent a letter to Mr. Moore. It's not just a fishing trip to my husband, this is our income. Just as a side note, please don't assume that this is just another day fishing for these anglers, especially if you don't know whose wife you are talking to. My husband is up there in point standings and was effected by this tournament. Like I previously said, he has always been a supporter of the PWT and wanted to remain in the PWT, even though he doesn't agree with everything they choose. I'm sorry I chose to share a little insight on what it's really like to have this happen. Instead of all the speculation. Next time I'll keep my mouth shut and just stick to baking cookies. |
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| OK the cookie baking comment was funny, but really, the point is ... don't blame the PWT for your husband's finish, blame him, because that is the finish he earned. You are assuming he would have moved up in the additional days.
Think of it from the other direction. The two days lost could just as easily been to his benefit. If he had a great first day and won, benefitting from the single day event, would you still be on here saying the same thing? That is the real question. |
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| I believe that you are completely missing the point here. If the Great Lakes consistently has blow days, then they should either schedule an extra day or stop fishing the Great Lakes. I know how productive it can be to fish that system, so I think the better thing to do would be to just schedule an extra day. That way at least everyone knows that the PWT made a full effort to let the anglers fish. If the extra day gets cancelled too- so be it. At least there was an effort made. I would like to thank whoever you are for making me feel so welcome during my first time posting. There was no need to be rude or insulting to me. You missed the point I was trying to make in the first place. |
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| Go Fish
Don't Think the FLW is a rosary picture for it is not. Each circuit has issues remember 2 years ago on Erie FLW did a one day in and cut field and then had another blow I believe and Carl was declared winner (nothing noted against Carl please understand) Each circuit has issues not perfect.
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| Gofish, certainly didn't mean to make you feel unwelcome. I don't think many people would argue your point, which is a good one, that it would be nice for big water tournaments to include one blow day, if people want it and it is feasible which it probably is. What I do disagree with is the assertion that the shortened tournament was the cause of your husband's, or anyone else's, subpar showing. Sorry for the confusion. |
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| Interesting,
Carlrunwaldt was never declared "the winner" as you say. The second day of that FLW event last year on Erie was cancelled, but they anglers who made the cut fished the final two days.
However, you are correct, the FLW and PWT each have issues as do any tournament circuits. |
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| You paid to fish, practice your butt off and find fish for the very reason that there is no blow day and that it could come down to a one day tourney. They are all pros and they can represent themselves well. Its a tourney, competition, whether it comes down to one day or only 2 its the heat of the competition that will make the winner rise from others and you should be prepared for that. We just had a two day tourney that was cancelled because of gail force winds on the second day, i wish we would have had a second day, but with 150 boats, safety is the main concern and that is how it is handled.....thats why im the fisherman and they are the directors......i have a 1900 pro-v...its not my fault people have 16ft boats.....but its all about safety, even if its a difference from 1st to 10th and $5000.... |
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| Gofish, sure must be frustrating to watch from the sidelines but there are a few points that I need to make. First, your husband could have just as easily gone farther down the standings as often happens and has been stated. Also your "spit-balling" about the RCL makes me think you should stick to making cookies. That's a "take my ball and go home" type of statement and diminishes what I thought was an interesting point of view at first. And as far as SCHEDULING a blow day? Well when the pro golf tour hits a couple of spots, (the Brittish Open for one) there is always a possibility of the event going on in to Monday because it's a MAJOR. Should a four day window be set for any three day event or just the ones on Lake Erie or just the Championship? Other events are "shortened" to 54 holes and no one cries that they would have done better if the event had been the full monty or diminishes the winners accomplishment. Kind of back to the cookies IMHO when you make such strong statements and don't congratulate the winner, Dave Van Oss. (WAY TO GO DAVE!!!!!!!) You also ASSUME the level of knowledge of a great deal of the members of this board and your "insight" was more hissy fit then anything to many. Squirting money like a leacky waterbed is the price of going "Pro" and I can feel your frustration. I also applaud you for your being involved with your husbands dream and for the backbone you showed in venting your frustrations here. Didn't mean to pick on the "cookies" thing but you started it and I got a good laugh out of it when I read it. Good luck to you and your husband in the coming events. |
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Location: Arlington, WI | First, cogratulations to Dave.
Gofish, not being a professional angler or the spouse of one, I am not going to say that I totally understand your frustations. I can only imagine how it must feel to have your opportunity to make a living affected by a totally uncontrolable force. Having said that though, I must point out a slight contradiction in your post. You expressed anger or disappointment in the results of the weather shortened tournament on Saginaw Bay and the fact that your spouse didn't get to fish another day to make his big charge to the front or atleast improve his position. Yet, only a few lines later in your post you mentioned that all of the recent PWT tournaments on the Great Lakes System have been shortened due to weather. You and your husband have a history with this tournament and with these bodies of water. The purpose of history is to make sure that errors of the past are not repeated. If you knew that all of the other PWT events on the Great Lakes were going to have atleast one day cancelled due to weather, why wouldn't your husband fish for the day, acting as though it may be the last opportunity he may get to fish that body of water for this tournament. On these very unpredictable waters, and knowing full and well that the PWT does not figure in a weather day, it is to the advantage of the the angler to make the most out of every opportunity that they get on the clock. The most unfortunate situation wasn't the cancellation of two days of fishing or the lack of a "blow day," but rather the fact that your husband didn't use what he learned in past experiences to make the most of his situation. I wish you and your husband the best of luck. I appreciate your opinion and your support of your husband and I hope you post on here again.
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Location: River Falls WI | Most contestants have very tight schedules and long distances to drive. Having a day cancelled on the Great Lakes ( whether a tournament or leisure outing ) is just part of doing business on these large bodies of water. If an extra day is set aside, this will just force everyone to stay for another day without any guarantee they will be able fish that day. If they can't, then what good was sticking around? No matter how it is done, it isn't going to work for everyone. Nothing ever does. As far as not having tournaments on the Great Lakes, I don't even want to hear that. You can catch some big, beautiful fish. What a shame it would be to not have an opportunity to do that once or twice a year. Also, all three days were fished on the PWT in Escanaba last August. Congratulations Dave !!!!!
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| If this tournament were 3-4 days before the actual start there would have been flat seas, bugs biting and 3 days of limits. Welcome to Saginaw Bay. When the MWT fishes there we are guaranteed rough weather and we know that we may sit on shore and watch, but usually we fish anyway and take our chances.
Congratulations to everybody that did well.
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| The heaviest weight wins right? Is it really any different if 30 pounds from one day won the tournament or 28 pounds of little dinks over three days won the tournament?
One thing I know for sure is that its hard on the big teams to take advatange of their buddies discoveries on day one when there is not a day two or three. Another fact of this one day tournament is there weren't any tailpipers on day two or three!
Congrats to the top ten, they earned it themselves! |
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PWT Day 3 Cancelled Van Oss Wins!!!