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| I'm looking to replace treble hooks on a few lures. What brand and style treble has everyone been using, and where can I buy online? Thanks. |
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | Tripple Grip............................. enough said. |
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | I used to be a Replacement hook junkie. And doing so did indeed increase the hook up's and help me with the (in the net) catch rate, given certain applications, using certain techniques, on certain water types and conditions. But you have to be careful and totally aware about decreasing or loosing the built in action of each of the different lures types your switching the different hooks over to. Each, (in it's own way) will indeed slightly change the lures action to some degree. But then again, this can often be not a bad thing.
One of my better and most productive hook change out's was with the old Storm Lure called the Wiggle Wart. The Steelhead and Salmon used to make a mockery of me when I first started (Steelie Dan's Charters) while guiding out of my Drift Boat on the Big Manistee River in the early 80's. Trip success rates of 2 for 10 was almost the norm for Steelheads until I changed out just the back hook of the Wiggle Wart to #4 Aberdeen Mustad. Of course back then, the hook choices were a lot fewer. And this bigger hook did indeed change the action, but the (in the net) average went up to about 70% versus the other way around, so the action was changed for the better (it seemed) and not the worse. I was on Storms writers list and Pro Staff back then, and it wasn't long after this (hook change out) experiment, that a new Wiggle Wart was made with bigger/wider bend aberdeen hooks, called the (Steelie Wart) after yours truly.
The Aberdeen Mustad is still a good (cheaper) choice as far as change out's are concerned. And they can be sharpened quickly and easily. I also like the Gamagatsu brand for change out's on my ice fishing jigging spoons. I do love those (sticky sharp) rascals for those (often) light biting ice fishing walleyes. Whatever brand you decide to use, just try changing the back hook only at first. This is where 75% of your hook up occur anyway, and your change over dollar will go farther if only changing one set versus two. And I always had our above ground pool to see exactly how each and every change out I made looked before actually doing so. Hell, I even replaced the treble Hook on the back of the Magnum Wiggle Wart for River King Salmon, with a #2 Single Siwash Hook with some great success, so let your imagination go wild if you want to.   
Want another good (improved hook up) idea. Use two (same size) 2X strong connector O/split rings off the lures body to the treble instead of one. The added length alows for better (short hit) hook up's and gives the treble a better twist racio before locking against the lure. This allows for fewer angles for the fish to wedge the hooks out. An old Lake St. Claire Muskie man taught me that one, and buddy it works.
Edited by walleye express 8/16/2005 6:56 AM
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | I agree with most of what Steelie Dan has said. I still think that the triple grip is the absolute best replacement hook out there for cranks. Many people I know will increase one hook size up when changing out to the triple grips.
I agree with the experimentation prior to wholesale change over. The pool scenario (IMHO) never worked for me because it did not matter what I liked. It only matters what the fish think.
If you are changing hooks out anyways, consider changing to red hooks. Especially on the front of the crank.
Most people are not even remotely close to being as anal as “steelie” and myself when it comes to details like hooks, so take what we say in that context. If I read between the lines correctly, Dan indicated better hook-ups not necessarily better action to the lures using the Aberdeen’s.
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Location: Elgin, Illinois | Where possible I will increase the hook size.. avoiding tangles between hooks on the bait... Triple grips are excellent hooks... And, finally, I treat all of my cranks to a new front hook...in red... Accomplishes three things, (1) increase the hook size if I can (without creating a possible tangle of hooks), (2) forces me to inspect the lure and the hooks before it is used... (3) guarantees I will take the tinme to insure that all of the points are sharp...
I am going to look into Dan's comment about a second split ring... I use some of the titanium ovals on the cranks that I pull on three ways in the river... (saves cranks) |
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| Thanks as always guys, very informative and detail oriented. It's the little things that sometimes make the difference. Sunshine, do they make the triple grip in red? |
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Location: West Bend, WI | no on the red with triple grip, but I do use triple grip and I buy them on-line at Stamina Inc.
not sure on the addy, but search stamina fishing components, you will find it.
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Location: Rhinelander | http://www.staminainc.com/
We buy alot of stuff from this outfit. |
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | Weasel,
Dig a little deeper. Do a little more research. Triple Grip does come in red. Here is just one example of a web site..... http://www.landbigfish.com/tacklestore/showcase.cfm?PID=461 |
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Location: Menominee MI, In Da UP Eh? | Lot's of good advice in this thread already!
Through the years short hits plague everyone. When having a hard time keeping hooks in fish during an MWC Championship, a few guys gave me some priceless advice. Triple Grip trebles on the rear of the bait was that advice. There were a few triple grips and a few excaliburs in my box, both worked great.
Also, on Saginaw Bay our hookup ratio was lower than it should of been while dragging Hotntots. What we ended up doing was putting a crosslock snap between the hook and split ring on the rear of the bait. Hookups went up dramatically and fish were making it to the net. Since then I have tried this on several lures, some it kills the action, some it makes them spin out. But on The original TOT's, it works fine.
On Daves Kaboom Baits, this method of grabbing short hitters works well too. Those baits are awesome!
As to replacments I love triple grip and excalibur trebles on the back of a lure, as you may have guessed. On the belly I generally any super sharp wide bend treble. I still have a lot of VMC hooks and they work great for the belly hooks.
Edited by Nofish 8/16/2005 8:58 AM
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Location: West Bend, WI | I stand corrected! Thanks Dennis, I was inable to locate them prior.
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Location: Rhinelander | Ralph brings up a good point, I also sometimes extend the rear hook's reach by adding a crosslock snap to the rear of the bait while pike and muskie fishing. It works. |
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Location: Menominee MI, In Da UP Eh? | I have to give credit where credit is due..
While out on Saginaw Bay, prefishing the MWC with Tracy Chappel (in 1993) we were told of the split ring trick that Dan mentioned.
Well, I didn't want to take the time putting split rings on and off baits if it didn't work, so a crosslock snap was the "Let's see what this does" quick fix.
I also use McMahon snaps on lures for hard hitting/large fish to prevent the snap from opening up. |
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Location: Combined Locks, WI | Dennis, maybe you can help me out. A year or so ago I found a 10 pack of red Triple Grip extra short shank P/N 36246R in size number 8. I have the original box in front of me so I am certain of the extra short shank and P/N. I however, have not been able to find them ever since, may you or anyone else can help me with my search.
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | Johnnie,
Did ya' try the web site I posted above?
Shhhhhh........... I have bought the red trebles form Bob's bait in Green Bay. Not sure of the model number, check them out too.
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