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| Just thought I would share a prayer here for all the folks that have been devestated or know someone that has been affected by this storm! My prayers go out to you and your loved ones,
Here in Wi we won't see the effects of this storm for a few days and more than likely not for a few months as gas prices climb, the cost of goods go up due to the demand elsewhere and many other things.
Have boat will travel..................Hummm I know they are asking for help monitarily but wonder if there is something else that we could do?
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | This isn't intended to turn this post ugly, but I haven't heard one condolence statement from any other country for our misfortune. Nor have I heard of any of the (well to do) country's offering it's help in any form or fashion. But I see Mr. Jackson is over in Venezuela begging Chavez (it's president) to forgive us, for not understanding his hate for us. If this doesn't reinforce the fact that we always give and never recieve, and are on our own in this world, nothing does.
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| That's twice in a row we are on the same page Dan, although in the same line of thought isn't the greatness of a society measured by the amount it gives, not receives. |
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Location: Rockford MN | I'm watching CNN and all those folks think the stores are open and the goods inside are free!!!! Unreal they just walk out with handfuls of goods and look right into the camera!
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Location: Chicago IL. | I also saw that looting. Not bad enough the store owners will most likely have to go out of biz,but also have to pay for the rippoff is not right. Will be shot on site should be the order and it will stop. If CNN could see them I know the police could also. Do you think the sand boys will give us a break on oil for a few months? NOT A CHANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oil topped $70 dollars a barrel for the first time in history. Here in Chicago it is going to be around 3.50 a gallon by the weekend. Mabey we should charge for protecting there soil!!! We just had to spend 225 bucks in gas for a weekend of fishing. Thank you Mr. Bush but next time please use lube instead of sand. |
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Location: Green Bay, WI | I just saw the worst of the worst, LOOTERS!!!! There is no other way to descibe them than as animals. Mom, dad and the kids with a raft ( they probably stole ) full of somebody else's property or store goods. Up to their buts in water. It is time for Marshall law and some strict enforcement. This will get wose before it gets better. I feel sick to my stomach. On one hand I feel really bad for them, but on the other I am almost mad about it, they had a choice not to live below the sea being held back by dirt. This was not like a volcano popped out of nowhere and covered them with lava. Our prayers go out to all the rescue and recovery efforts and know we will get through this and I am sure we will do it on our own.
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Location: Chicago IL. | Hey guest,Why dont he release the oil in reserve that is there for emergencies????? Where is the oil from middle east that we sent billions of dollars over there to rebuild there wells???? I know this for a fact because I know someone there doing it. We sent aid to the sumami victims faster than he sent to the people of Katrina in our own country. Who do you blame. 3 tanks of gas for truck plus 1 for the boat,add it up. When one of my people in my company screws up we take the blame. Why should Bush be any different??? |
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | Joel "Doc" Kunz - 8/30/2005 10:00 PM
That's twice in a row we are on the same page Dan, although in the same line of thought isn't the greatness of a society measured by the amount it gives, not receives.
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Yup, that is the second time. Kinda scary huh? As far as a society being measured by the amount it gives. It seems only our society and very few others uses this particular standard. I'm glad we are who we are and use this standard in our society. But I'm sure even Mother Terisa (inwardly) liked getting slapped on the back, helped out or praised once in a while, even when she didn't need it to press on. |
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| John,
I don't think there is a shortage of crude. I do think there is a shortage of refinery capacity. Katrina has affected this even more. Perhaps it's time to build some new, bigger and better refineries. I don't know when the last one was built, but it's been a long time.
I think you are a bit off base in your placing the blame on Bush for not releasing some of the reserves. Remember when Clinton did that, it was a feel good measure. Didn't affect the price at the pump one bit! |
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Location: Menasha, WI | Actually Bush has released the reserves. Like it did when Clinton released them, it will stabilize the prices a bit.
"We" haven't built any refineries because it is not profitable to do so. Refiners have chosen to expand capacity at existing facilites to maximize efficiency. The greater concentration has made the markets more vulnerable to disruptions. |
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Location: upper michigan | the last oil refinery built in the USA was in 1973 it is near imposible to get permits to build them. |
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Location: Menasha, WI | High Pump-Price Fairy Tales
So what's driving these high gasoline prices, which now average $2.22 across the country? Conservatives think it's largely a function of the chickens coming home to roost. In short, bureaucratic red tape, anti-growth environmental extremists, and "not-in-my-back-yard" community activists have long prevented new oil refineries from coming online. This in turn has starved the market of the gasoline and – viola! – record prices are the logical result.
It's a convenient story line for the Right. Unfortunately, the narrative is wrong.
The reason that no new facilities have been built is partly because it costs far less to expand production capacity at existing plants than it does to expand capacity by building new plants. And because existing refineries are ideally situated near oil terminals and pipelines, it's more convenient to increase capacity in those locations than to do so elsewhere
But if that's so, how do we explain the facility shutdowns that have characterized the industry? After all, there were 325 oil refineries in the U.S. in 1981, but only 149 remain today. The explanation resides in the fact that we had a lot of refineries back in 1981 not because of market forces or the lack of environmental regulations, but because the government subsidized the existence of small, inefficient refineries.
Here's how it worked. Under the Mandatory Oil Import Quota Program (which was in effect from 1959 to 1973), low-cost crude oil imports were restricted to support the domestic crude price. Refineries got disproportionately more rights to import if they were small. The subsidies to small refineries continued under the price-control programs in place from 1973 through 1980. When the subsidies ended, a large number of inefficient small refineries bit the dust.
That helps explain why domestic refining capacity dropped from 18.6 million barrels of oil a day in 1976 to 16.8 million barrels of oil today. Dramatic improvements in the operational efficiency of oil refineries also contributed to that decline. Refineries now operate much closer to their capacity than 20 years ago. Accordingly, less "nameplate capacity" is necessary to meet demand.
The upshot is that even though domestic refineries have been shutting down and total refining capacity has been declining, domestic gasoline production has actually increased by 20 percent since the last oil refinery was built in 1976.
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Location: Chicago IL. | I understand the refinery problem,but why is crude so high from overseas. Mabey I am off base blameing Bush and if it sounded like that I stand corrected, I like the guy,but who do you blame for the spike in prices before katrina. |
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Location: Menasha, WI | Basic supply and demand. The rapid industrialization of China and India has increased global demand that is reaching the global capacity to produce oil. Add in market speculation created by instability in the Mideast from where much of the world's supply is derived and you get high oil prices. |
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | Viking - 8/31/2005 11:36 AM
Basic supply and demand. The rapid industrialization of China and India has increased global demand that is reaching the global capacity to produce oil. Add in market speculation created by instability in the Mideast from where much of the world's supply is derived and you get high oil prices.
Good Poop Viking.
Never has it been so blantanly obvious to me (rather coming from the right or left) that taking only certain facts from the refinment arguments, can reinforce your own sides point of view. 
Ya know, this reminds me of what my buddy told me once. He said, "Lets not let Facts cloud the true meaning of our conversation". Man, does this apply!!!. 
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| Get a life you guys, Hundreds and possibly thousands are dead, Tens of Thousands are homeless and your bitchin about a little gas!!! I started this thread to share some prayers with friends and it turns into a cry of anger and mistrust.
It's about time this place gets a face lift, As my enjoyment here is dwindling!
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| Tyee,
Relax. It's a terrible storm that happened down there. But there was plenty of warning to get out. I'm sorry for the deaths and injuries, but most of them could have been prevented by leaving when they were advised to. As for those left homeless. Yes, it's a shame. But I'll not feel any worse for them than I do for those affected by the tornado's we get up here. Very little national attention was paid to them 2 weeks ago.
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Location: Rockford MN | I guess I'm not "Biatchin" just when ever there is a disaster you hear of all the people trying to make a buck off it! The gov... steps in and says you can't do that! Now why are'nt they telling the oil companies this? Speical interest money! These oil compaines have made BILLIONS and never take a hit, they just raise raise raise everytime something like this happens! I think it's getting a little old, the 2 way standards these days! It's only just begun wait til they raise everyones insurance to cover all the mass distruction down south! We can't count on any help from any other countires, so we the people will foot the bill AGAIN. We are at war, we give aid to to many countires to count and now this! Pay Pay Pay thats what this country does best, and we are the ones doing the paying! There is no speical monies set aside for this kind of thing, heck they can't even get there check book balanced. It's a very sad thing to look at what has happened down south, and long term effects will be felt for years! Right now the whole country is paying and thats just the spike in gas prices, while those oil compaines continue to rack it in at a HUGE profit rate! SAD someone always makes out on someone's loss! |
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| Time for your medication Tyee
Take a deep breath and everything will be OK. Can't control the direction of a thread and we sure don't want to lose you so take it easy on those who get off topic a bit.
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | Tyee - 8/31/2005 12:36 PM
Get a life you guys, Hundreds and possibly thousands are dead, Tens of Thousands are homeless and your bitchin about a little gas!!! I started this thread to share some prayers with friends and it turns into a cry of anger and mistrust.
It's about time this place gets a face lift, As my enjoyment here is dwindling!
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Tyee.
I guess my first post (even though not about gas prices) was the first one to get off base, and for this I apologize. But I would also add that "No man is an island" nor is the natural progressions and hardships down the road of what this disaster will mean to every person living in the USA. It will have a severe short term and probably a lasting long term effect on everything we do, because of the price of home or vehicle fuel, insurance and any other thing related to higher energy and living prices. Thank God our homes have not been taken away and our families are safe and comfortable. But please don't take our comments as being condescending or unconcerned about the people effected at ground zero by this disaster. We are the strongest and most resilient nation in this world. If we go down, they all will in short order. I think even our most hated enemies know this deep in their gut. God give us all strength in the coming months ahead.
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Location: Chicago IL. | I Stand corrected Mike. I only paid 125 bucks. You spent the other 125. |
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Location: Menominee MI, In Da UP Eh? | Wow, what an emotionally charged thread.......
But here is my two cents anyway....
This is being touted as the worst natural disaster in our country's history. And from what I see on the TV, that looks to be true. Worse yet is the fact that roving bands of thugs have taken to shooting police, shooting innocent people and shooting at emergency medical people and at Hospitals. Reports of attacks and rapes in some of the shelters and so on...
Isn't it a sad commentary on some in the human race, and how fast people can turn into animals? The National Guard is supposed to be rolling in tomorrow, let's pray that that act will restore peace.
And, I for one am trying not to lose sight of the millions that lost everything they own, the people who died and were injured.
It is also sad that in an instance where there was several days advance warning, and many hours definite warning that so many chose to stay behind.
I know some could not get out, and some were in no condition to move. For these folks I truly am concerned.
It is also kind of funny, and very sad, listening to some of the armchair QB's looking for someone, or some Govt entity to blame as they have not been rescued yet, were not chauffeured out before hand and so on....
Many people died needlessly.
And many emergency systems failed due in part to poor engineering and poor planning.
Sad all the way round....
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Location: Rhinelander | I've had the TV on in the background this week listening to the reports and watching the video. The destruction is absolutly stunning; most shots remined me of what's left after an F5 tornado. It's unbelievable that more were not killed.
Back when I worked for Skeeter, we had a tournament down there every summer I was required to work. The area truly was beautiful, and it's a shame how many structures that have stood for a century or more have been wiped out.
The looters, shooters, and idiots are what they are. That element shows up after every major natural disaster in the vacuum left until law enforcement can get in, unfortunately. Maybe I'm a radical, but a shoot to kill order when fired upon or witnessing a violent act for the law enforcement folks and the National Guard would be OK with me, and a military response to known locations would be fine, too. One or two air strikes ought to shut down the desire most of those folks have to shoot at helicopters or police vehicles. The scale of the disaster is so massive; there is no room for criminal behavior adding to the grief. Gangs? If a member of a gang is shooting at rescue vehicles, and might cause the loss of ONE single life, they in my mind are no different than any other enemy of this country. Oh well, the law will deal with those folks.
It will be years before that area is restored to what ever level is possible, and obviously it will never be the same. The loss of life and property is bad; really bad, but it certianly could have been a whole lot worse. If this had happened 50 years ago...... |
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Location: Forest Lake, MN | I get a kick out of some of you. Your sitting there clean, dry, comfortable, your kids are likely out side running around or inside playing with video games as your wife is looking thru the fridge trying to decide what to fix for supper as you bitch about how these people are acting. It's 95 degrees during the day, the humity is just short of extreme, there is no water to drink no less for toilets, no food for their kids who may not have had a clean diaper in almost a week if they hadn't broke into some where and were lucky enough to find one. From experience of working emergency communitions at East Grand Forks in 97 the surrounding area must reak of death, chemicals, sewage and to top it all, its likely the most illiterate part of the US so they aren't rocket scientist and you wonder why they act like that.
This wasn't the path of a tornadoe hitting a city, a river flooding during the spring, the area involved was likely the equivalent of a flood, a tornadoe with 120 mph winds that covered the area equivalent of a small state, completely. Not a block, not a subdivision, not a small town, not a big town, not a county, but almost a state between Mississippi and Louisanna.
These people had time to get out, but what you can't seem to comprehend is there was no where for them to go when the area going to be hit is this large. Poor, old, sick. What would you be doing if it was your families. It doesn't justify the shoot, rape or violent actions, its what happens when help doesn't arrive and hope breaks down.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/09/01/PH200...
When you get up to wash your hands before you eat, if you truely believe in these suggestions of snipers and such, next Sunday ask the leaders of your church let you get up in front of every one and tell them what you think. Then the rest of you reading this, why don't you ask these people to come to your church and speak.
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Location: Rockford MN | What?
So weather,and a disaster should allow these people to turn into savages? I don't care how smart someone is they had time to get out or atleast get a things together like food and water! NO this was not a tornado that you get 15 min. warning, this was a week coming!
Now I have to listen to the "blacks" saying thats the it's the goverments fault they are'nt there fast enough or have enough to help every person!, because the people that stayed are black and poor! The race card already???? Poor us why have you not saved us yet??? This is going to cost us 100 million just to get these people out! I bet if I were sitting in my lazyboy while the kids were playing and the wife was looking in the fridge for something to make for dinner, and they came out and said GET OUT OF MN> There's gonna be a natural disaster> I'd would'nt sit around and wait!!! My butt would be getting things in order and be GONE! Yep I might lose everything, but me and mine would be safe> not sitting around waiting for someones help because I refused to heed there warnings!
This area is below sea level and a wall is all that holds the water out! This wall that never thought could break BROKE! This is a natural disaster, however when you are told to leave you better leave! If you cannot afford to leave, then why are'nt these people lined up at gov. offices crying for help? Know why because they had no intenstion of leaving, they figured they would just ride it out! NOW they are left in an aftermath that no one anticipated, the government has nothing in place for this! The government has been spending all this time on how to handle an attack by terrorist not large scale mother nature!
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| I just did a quick skimming of the posts on this thread,and I can truthfully say that I am shocked at the way some of you idiots think! It is a terrible thing to have everything you owned ripped from your grasp. Someone says they could have left? OK -go where? and what can you all carry in a vehicle? Everything you own? Get real guys,if you where there,and could not afford to leave,or had no means to,or had nowhere to go,as it was with most of the poor people down there, that got stuck in this situation.Lets just say it happened to your family, would you steal or loot to feed them? ,or go to the bank and wait for it to open,so you could go to the store and wait for it to open.?Obviously you guys have never fallen upon hard times. If you don't catch a fish or get your money back in a tournament you whine like no tommorow.Seen it and heard it from all of you poor saps.I for one am not blaming anyone for staying to protect there property,or going to throw stones at someone who has probably been a honest individual all his life,and has family to feed and no way or means to get the food honestly.This is a survival situation and you have to realize that.If you think Katrina is the reason for gas prices rising,then remove the blind fold and see the real world.Am I the only person here that heard Three months ago that gas would reach $3.00 plus by Labor Day???If you haven't planned for the increase in gas prices than you would probably be stuck in Mississippi now too! "We had to spend sooooo muchhhhh to fish? Where the heck is that comming from?Wake up you dunce,at least you still have your boat and a CHOICE!!! How many of you have stopped bitching about the poor dumb people in this situation and given some thing to the Red Cross,or offered your time to help load a truck with food and supplies? It is easy to sit on your computor,and condemm others for their actions,because you have running water,food,and a roof over your head.This thread sarted for a reason,to offer a prayer,which is a very small thing to give to someone,and some of you guys get on your full bellied high horse and condemm those people you should be helping to get through this.I hope you idiots never need help like these people do.Quit bitching and get on the phone and offer to help! or at least take a minute to thank God for what you have !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Enough said...hafe |
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| That was their HOME! 90,000 sq miles of disaster, where would you go if your were 102 or had your baby when the storm hit and the next day the hospital threw you into the streat, 1.3 MILLION people and they figured 10% would stay, thats equal to a large city, with a population like that I would guess 2% will die naturally, add to that the situation and your talking more like 10 or 15%. and in the fact that Marshal law may be instituted soon and it will climb higher. These are Human Beings and Americans at that, not some 3rd world starving country! Thousands will die and hundreds of thousands will be homeless for a long time!
This is just another Media source praying on the negative and not the positive, Everyone jumped on the bandwagon about the looting and crime which by rights probably isn't much worse than what happens daily in a "normal" large city!
These people are hungary and need a roof over their head, I can put 1/2 a dozen maybe even a dozen in my basement and could feed them for a month with little problem! If they can get here they are welcome!
Maybe we all need to take a close look at what we do every day and thank the lord for that!
The pain will pass and we WILL get this figured out!
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Location: Forest Lake, MN | For you who still wonder why thing are the way they are.
There was 36 hours max warning. The hurricane before that was thought to be heading towards the Florida pan handle as a Level 3 storm. http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/27/tropical.weather/index.html?s...
How about some numbers. As of 2000 New Orleans population was 484,000 people, now all wanting to be some where else, and thats not counting the out lying areas where usually the people with money live. Now throw in the rest of that state and the people in Mississippi competeing to do the same thing.
In New Orleans there were over 148,000 people under the age of 18 and 66,000 plus people over the age of 62 of which 20,000 were over 75. Real good group to move on a dime.
Now lets toss in those between those age groups that didn't own a car or else didn't have the money to go any where else.
Here's a 1990 stat, High school diploma or equivalent: 32%.
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | And I looked, and beheld a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was death, and hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with pestilence, and with hunger, and with greed in men's hearts, and the beasts of the earth.
And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains.
These are some of the less scary parts. I'm at a real loss for words concerning this tragidy to blame, speculate over, or play Tuesday morning quarter back concerning what should or should not have been done. I have real gut feelings about it all, along with my own aquired human experience, that may have made up my own mind on what to do if I knew this killer storm was coming. But voicing them here and now accomplishes nothing. This tragedy is like loosing the BIG walleye, you re-bait and start over, hopefully learning from what you did wrong the first time. In the end, we are all just imperfect mortals.
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In case some of you didn't notice, this rock we call Earth is getting smaller every day and there is no where else "us" or "them" can go. WE are all in this together. |
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Location: Rockford MN | The problem is that they are not looting food oh ok if candy is food. they are stealing TV's and such! I have no problem with them going to the shelters and getting aid! I have a problem with the looting of UNNECESSARY needs. Honest people down there are suffering because of this lawlessness!
This is a sad disaster, just sick of them blaming someone else! The government had nothing to do with this, they are doing what they can after the fact! Yep life is good here, I don't have there problems nor do I want them! I'm just sick of everyone telling me that I should do more, this starts with the leaders of those hit by this disaster! WHERE were they before this????? Why are they so critical now of us and not themselfs? What did they do for there own before this storm hit????
In life it's simple to ask and get when needed, but it's also way to easy to blame others for ones own faults!
I never saw anywhere a need for evacuation aid or help, did you? Now the US people see how 3rd world countries live everyday! It's sick and sad but this is life in other parts of the world! We here just never expect anything to happen to us, and think that everything will always be roses. I feel sorry for the people down there but I don't want to here from anyone I should do more! You have no idea what I have done, nor should you! This disaster is a huge burden on the US as a whole in way or another and will be for sometime. I just think that the media is looking for blame before they can even get the people the aid they need! The whole world is watching and we look like fools! |
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A significant figure in world history once wrote, "What good fortune for governments that the people do not think."
Think now. Are you part of the problem or will you be part of the solution? The 'government' could have, and should have, done a better job of planning and responding to this crisis. The 'government' had/has other priorities, like getting re-elected (the #1 job). But recall that "We the people" ARE the 'government'. We elected our leaders. We need to think before we pull the lever.
At this moment, right now, none of that matters. Peoples lives hang in the balance. As for the TV thiefs, I would wager that TV's are stolen everyday in most cities around the USA, even Green Bay. So who cares? The joke is really on the TV thiefs anyway. You can eat the TV. It provides no water. It does not carry away your bodily waste. It takes electricity to work. They are probably already water damaged. And, if you plan on selling one, it takes people with money and a place to put it to buy it. There is no market if there are no customers. People 'looting' water, food and needed medical suuplies is perfectly OK with me. If it meant my families survival, I would in a heartbeat.
The historical figure quoted above had a 'solution', but the world showed him he was misguided (to say the least). Are you misguided? If you want to be part of the solution, ante up. There are any number of real charities ready to accept your donation of $$ or needed goods.
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Should be "can't" in reference to eating TV's.
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Location: upper michigan | I have no grievance with the people that made sure they had what they needed to survive this tremendouse tragedy . My problem lies with the people that are trying to profit of others misfortune. The people that are stealing everything of value they can get there hands on. Does anybody need a bunch of watches to survive this tragedy ? I dont think so but the news crew witnessed a young man break into a watch shop and steal all there watches. What about the guys carrying big screen tv's. Did that feed there baby? This is probably the worst disaster our country has ever seen. With the loss of life and the los of property we all need to pull together as a nation to get threw this horibal tragedy. In the end we will be stronger for it. It took a few days to get things together but you will start seeing progress down there now. The magnitude of this disater is huge Luisana is only a corner of the tottal picture. Its not like we just needed to send help to one city or even one state. Lets all just pray that before any more innocent people have to die that the murdering and rapping come to a stop with all the national gaurd troops showing up on there. |
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Location: Chicago IL. | Hafe. Sorry,if you take this wrong,but you get out of life what you put into it. I feel sorry for the edlerly and the sick ,but I could give two craps about the people that sit and collect checks. It called lazy. Yes its a shame losing everything you own,been there, slept on the streets of Chicago. I pulled myself out of it and now i`m sucessfull. I blame the goverment on the gas prices not the storm. So sorry again if you take it wrong but I earned the right to sit behind "my" computer in "my" office in "my" house. And I`m takeing "my" boat out to go fishing this weekend. These are things that "I" earned in my life. |
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| John
The knock was for the gripe of the gas price comment.We all have our choices to make,and when we do make one there is no griping about what it costs us,in the end.This is something that we figure into the equation from the start.I'm really happy you have so much,try to share it with someone who doesn't...hafe |
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Location: Rockford MN | Hafe
You should be in politics, give> because you have more than they do! It's each persons right to do what they wish, not what someone else tells them to do! Alot of people have and are giving, but NO one should tell others what to do! In each person's heart they will do what THEY see fit, if you choose to give in anyway that is your right and if you choose not or can't that is also your right. I have made my donation, but would NEVER tell someone that they need to give! Each person here the same rights, the right to do as they see fit not what someone tells them is right!
This storm has effected millions not just there but here in the Midwest also! The farmers my have some troubles over this when it's time to get the crops down the Miss. river and the fuel costs play a huge part in getting crops from the fields, I'm sure this whole thing will force small business owners into big cut backs. Fuel is one of this countries biggest tools, it is used in almost everything done. Transporting goods across this country and the world takes fuel and effects everyone! People work hard all week long looking forward to some relief on the weekend, now fuel is effecting our everyday lifes! Though it might not last forever, it is hitting people hard.
The people down south have the relief now in place and things are looking up for them. I'm sorry that Mother Nature has slapped our nation AGAIN, but if someone has a gripe with something so vital as fuel I have no problem with that. While we pay, fuel compaines continue to make> I don't see 100's of millions in support from them! They will walk away with BILLIONS from this. So some little guy's like us can give to the relief and give to the fuel companies.
I also see that the NFL players are trying to get each player to give $1000 each, great every penny will help. Just kind of funny listening to a guy that makes 7 million a year saying he's gonna give a $1000, thats like me giving a penny! My wifes company just gave 10 million, great help. They choose to do these things, but no one told them they had to! The guilt trip thing carries no wieght with me, so please don't tell us all what we should be doing! |
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | Gentlemen, points well taken. Everyone has the right to voice their opinion. I for one am not going to exert my energy on what could have or should have been done. I am going to give what I can and hope my small tithe can some how help someone. I learned long ago not to judge anyone and that lesson has paid many dividends. I also am not going to let my guard down. This situation presents a great opportunity for the really evil ones, ie; terrorists and hoodlums alike to kick this great country while it's down. I spent 8 years in Special Forces and have seen some very awful things humans can be capable of. Let's not dwell on the past, but learn from it. Lets look to the future so that our children can have a better place to grow up. With that said, I hope all of us can band together and make this country a better place no matter what color we are or what we do for a living. Here's wishing every one of you a prosperous life. |
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| Gordy
You may have missinturpeded the responce toward John? The giving part comes from his success in life,and the methods used by him.This is what he should share,not the physical things he owns.Finding the correct path on ones own can be difficult if they do not know where the road starts.If I stepped on some toes,that shouldn't have been? Sorry. However in defence of my statements there is always the few who I don't agree with,and will continue to tell them so.They have the right to listen to my opinion or not.....their choice.I also have the right to express it.My choice.Now back to the heart of the matter ,some progress is getting made down there on evacuation and utilities,lets hope it just gets better for them everyday.My prayers to them all..hafe |
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Location: Rockford MN | No problem Hafe
Thats what they have boards like this for. I have no problem with anyones opinion here because they have the right to it! This what makes this a great country, no ones going to come over in the middle of the night and take you because you posted what you believe!
I hope everything works out down south and the people recover from this! |
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Location: Shabbona | All this bitchin an moanin. These people are in Need .............. How many went to Red Cross an donated ??????????? I did ........When the warnings went out How many people in Nawlins do you figuer had the money to leave ???? Or the equipment to leave dodge?? These people where plane STUCKKKKKKKKKKKKK and they have to suffer the after math.. Give it a break and help out the best you can..........
Edited by Moo 9/4/2005 3:06 PM
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Location: Midland, MI 48642 | I read all the posts, its sad. I have been watching the tube regular for days. IF I had a place I could drive to and help out in any way at all I would be there. I have my name on lists just waiting for the call to do what I can. This saddens me greatly. Skeeter |
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| Shep - This has to be about the STUPIDEST thing I have ever read:
"But there was plenty of warning to get out. I'm sorry for the deaths and injuries, but most of them could have been prevented by leaving when they were advised to."
About 35% of the city lives below the poverty line. How were they supposed to get out? Are you suggestting they leave for every hurricane that is predicted to hit the area? How many times would these people (who barely have enough to feed their families) have to scrap up enough cash to buy a bus ticket out of town?
Go back to complaining about people holding musky inproperly in pictures and shut up about things you know NOTHING about. |
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| Stop watching so much -
To answer your question,
It was adolph Hitler that said "What good fortune for government that people do not think"
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If the local weather says there is a Thunderstorm in my area I don't take the kids to the celler. If the local weather says there is a tornado on the ground in my area I'm in the celler with the kids in seconds! The national weather told these people of the strengh of this Hurricane, class 4 means MASS distruction! They did have warning and YES they should have left! I'm sure they have seen hurricane's before just not this strong! People down south should have learned from Florida that when they tell you to LEAVE you should leave. Go where? I don't know but you should leave when they call for an all out evacuation!
I watched the mayor of the city blaming anyone and everyone, where was this passion when it was time to get all the people out? YOU can sit here and call others "stupid" but what would you have done if you lived there and they told you to leave? Just look at the weather channel and the images of this storm when it was at sea, sorry but this storm was a tornado that was going to land on there house!
Please don't judge others here for stating the obvious, leave when they tell you and live! |
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