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| Can anyone who listened to the Fishing Fanatics show yesterday fill us in on what they heard? |
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| It'll be on The Next Bite today if its up as fast as the other shows. |
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | It's there now |
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| Not quite. The web page is ready, but there's no audio file link yet (that I could find). |
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Location: Northern Illinois | I wonder why the acquisitions at the PWT Championship has not received the attention this issue seems to have drawn. HHMMMMM |
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Location: Rockford MN | Mike I think it has to do with a DQ, in this case someone well know in the Wi. area received a DQ. Alot of guys that visit this board have met or know Carl personaly. On the PWT there was'nt a DQ so unless you were part of the rumors it's mostly just hearsay. The newest story will always get the press. Thank God the year is over I don't think I could stand 1 more Championship filled with rumors, and he said she said. |
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| Mike, there was no DQ at the PWT championship. At this one there was and it cost the angler around 20K. |
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Location: Rhinelander | No protest OR DQ at the PWT. No story. |
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| It is really not a big deal. Carl did some things that had to do with sportsmanship and was DQ'd, basically chose to DQ himself. We all have moved on, including Carl. There was no cheating involved. I support his decision to take a DQ and I was there. |
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Location: Westland, Mich. | the link is up and working now. their server must be taking a beating, vvvveerrrryyy sssllllooooowww even with bandwidth. |
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | ............"basically chose to DQ himself" ????????? Where did this come from?
I never heard him say that. I heard him say that he was DQ'd because of a bonehead move. (Those are his words not mine).......... Oh Well.
I have more respect than ever for Carl! I think it took real guts and real professionalism to get on the radio and explain a simple mistake. . You listen to the show and you realize that anyone of us could easily make the same simple mistake. I know I could. I believe every word he said. Thanks for sharing Carl!
If you want to know the whole story, I suggest that you listen to it yourself. I for one, do not want to put his message into my words and miss the interpretation.
As others said from the get go..................... it was no big deal. |
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Location: Jackson, Wisconsin 53037 | If you were listening, the guy that was fishing the wingdam did not initiate the protest, but he did sign it |
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| According to the interview, the person fishing the wing dam is not the one who filed the protest,although I think he said that he did sign it. Carl did a nice job of standing up. Takes professionalism to take the company line. Talking negativly against the tournament, no matter what his opinion is, would get hin no where in the long run if his goal is to be a professional tournament angler. Nice job with it on the radio Carl!!
My personal opinion is that he got screwed, but that's a view from a long way away. How many minutes did he screw up the fishing for on that wing dam, did he make it un-usable? If the laughter was the point that created the perception of unsportsmanlike conduct then his action has to be thought of as deliberate. I didn't "hear" it that way in his interview. Considering time in the morning, the fact that the other boat was waiting to lock through also I can see a "time" penalty (having to wait at the start the next day for a period of time) to be more appropriate then a DQ for the day, but that may not have been an option. Mr Reynolds didn't have instant re play to go by, but he got the wrong call. That's my opinion. I remember a long time ago at an MWC pre-tournament meeting and the director talking about the "spirit" of the rule not the LETTER of the rule being the MOST important thing in case of a protest. Also, I really see the fact that the angler that was directly effected was not the one who protested. Glad I'm not in ANY of those fine people's shoes with a long winter ahead. That's a BIG chunk of money.
Edited by Joel "Doc" Kunz 10/7/2005 5:36 PM
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| Why it so hard for all you with your opinions that have claimed you know him not be able to say on here what he did? You say you listened to the audio's and some have said you know him. Someone should just explain it or other wise you are part of the problem that will continue the hush hush and dishonesty that goes on in tourny fishing......IMHO |
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| You obviously have internet access. Listen to the interview.
Regards,
xxl |
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Location: Rhinelander | New to the Game:
It's obvious you ARE new to the game. |
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| I have a couple of questions if any body could answer them feel free. First one is "what is a wing damn" I don't understand how you could run over one of these? Are they under water? Is this just a differn't for rock pile or some thing like that? I don't think that we have any of these on the missiouri river. The damn that I fish you run in to them but not over them. So I guess that would be my first question. Why wouldn't the names of the guys who made the protest be made available. This policy seems like it could breed more and more protest. If a guy knows that it will stay confidential why not file one and see what happens. I don't think any body whats to see that. I know that this has been a touchy subject and please don't take this post as having bad intentions behind it. I was just hoping to clear up some of the questions I had. Thanks |
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| Wing dams are layers of rock and willows, and were constructed to help maintain a minimum-depth channel for commercial navigation prior to the construction of the navigational locks and dams. Basically a long, finger-shaped underwater rock pile. A large number of dams are not on navigational charts or chips. I have seen many boats lose lower units to them over the years.
Sorry Shink I edited your post by accident I meant to reply to it. |
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | Hey Steve,
Anything Shink had to say was worth deleting 
Actually, Shink and I.............. well.................I hit a wing dam on the miss prefishing for the FLW league championship. The water level was low so they were up higher than usual and because of the reduced current it was much harder than usual to read the water. Our map told us that there was one in the area but I just had to see how high it was and how close to where the map indicated. Luckily we were using Shink's boat and we were only going crawling speed.
It's very easy to hit a wing dam in low water conditions. I guess that was the point of the whole story above.
As far as making the names available of the guys who made the protest............... Grooney (Carl) was told who they were, isn't that enough? Why would it be important for us to know? I don't see the reasoning.
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| Although I fear it would open up a can of worms, I think it would be interesting to know who the effected angler was and who filed the protest. I wonder if based on the "reasoning" given at the meeting if the angler who filed the protest was given the chance to withdraw it? I can see, (based on how I heard the interview), that with an explanation one could possibly reconsider. I can also see in my minds eye why an angler would file a protest, (whether he's the one directly effected or not), when he sees another competitor do a 180 on a someone’sspot, whack it with his motor, laugh out loud and then take off. |
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Location: Jackson, Wisconsin 53037 | Thanks alot Steve, very worthwhile info I gave. Just kidding.
Actually, sunshine was driving my boat, and he didn't hit it, he parked my boat on top of it.
Thanks again, Dennis |
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Location: Rhinelander | Well, I suppose if a fellow needs to park a boat in the river where it won't move.... |
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | Thanks Steve, buddy ole' pal  Why don'y ya go pick a fight with Doc.....he looks like he is fishin' for one  |
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| >>>>Why don'y ya go pick a fight with Doc.....he looks like he is fishin' for one
Don't think so Dennis. Wonder what makes you say that??? |
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Doc,
Just seems uncharacteristic of you to want to keep this kind of thing alive. IMHO getting those names does nothing to promote the sport. Keeping this thread alive and asking those kinds of questions just kindles the fire. My guess is that people would question the motives. The FLW decided that whoever wrote the protest had a valid point. That's good enough for me.
Enough said
Let's go fishing and discuss it in the boat not across the wires. |
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| Dennis, that's why I stated it as I did, but after reading your reply I guess I respectfully disagree. It's NOT "enough said" for everyone, but keeping it secret may be a part of the rules as set forth by FLW and a good idea for the message boards. Doesn't make me less interested in the information from a personal point of view, not for board bashing.
Promote the sport?? One sided stories and inuendo don't do well to promote the sport either. Also, promote the sport of tournament fishing is what you mean. Big difference to a situation like this vs a general statement as to promoting the sport of fishing.
Let's fish!! Waiting for boat so I'm at your mercy. We'll talk more then, already said too much here probably. |
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Groonie's DQ