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| What a game. It couldn't get any better in the finally. Took the wind right out of the sails of the packers. No matter what they both need huge improvements to the teams. The Bears and Lions are getting better and better. | |
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| Well, on one hand I am thrilled Favre isn't kicking the Bears butts anymore. On the other though, it is sad to see a warrior go down like that. | |
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| Another in a long line of fierce battles was fought last night. Great game by 2 teams not on top of their games. Good luck to the Packers and their fans for the remainder of the season. I really hope you take your anger out on the Bears now!!  | |
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Location: Chicago IL. | Do you mean the 1st place bears that have won the last 6 in a row??? I say,,, bring it on boys!!!!! I will agree that Farve is a warrior, but you need to know when to say when. | |
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| When to say when? Their was only 3 players that showed up Monday night for the Packers. Favre, Driver, and Kampman. The rest of the team played it's worst collective game of the year. The offensive line was just that, OFFENSIVE. They played like sissys! And where were the linebackers in the second half? The great Jim Bates certainly didn't make any adjustments, as Moore just ran around the ends, and there was nobody there to stop him.
Farve is still one of the best, and can make any throw. However, when he is under the kind of pressure he was, and with Drive as his only receiver, and no running game, well, you can't blame Favre.
These will be low scoring games, like the games of the 80's. Bears have no offense, and a good defense. Favre has beat them like a drum throughout his career, but the string may come to an end. I think they'll split the two games. Scores will be like 7-3 or 9-6.
Favre will play at least 2 more years. No way he goes out like this. Give him his weapons back, and you'll see. He quaterbacks backs better than we all fish!
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Location: Oshkosh, Wisconsin | #4 QB's better than we fish? Speak for yourself shep.... I don't throw my bait at the wrong fish near as much as he throws to the wrong team...
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| Wow, you guys are getting angry over a game. It's not the right thing to say the rest of the team didn't show up. They did they just don't have talent. As for playing the Bears, the packers will get spanked again because the Bears do have a running game like the Vikings did on Monday. Yes the pack beat the Falcons but lets think back a sec. the Falcons areant what everyone thinks they are at the moment. Good luck on the rest of the season and lets just see if the Pack can get to 3 or 4 wins. Well maybe they should blow the rest so can go get Reggie Bush. | |
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| Brad, I'll bet you caught a lot more whitey's and sheeps, than he's thrown INT's! hehehe
I'm just saying that he's not the problem. All his career, he's always only had one guy to throw to. And finally, with Walker, and Driver, and to some extent, Fergy, and Franks, this should have been a pretty good year. Now, you lose Wahle(huge), and Rivera before the season begins, and lose 3 backs, and two and three of your WR's. And when the line plays as poorly as it did the other night, well, I guess that is why they are 2-8.
I'm not angry at all. In fact, I've enjoyed the last 13 years alot. This downturn was inevitable. You can't draft they way they did all those years(poorly) at the back of the rounds, and not have it catch up to you. And some of the free agent signings really hurt, too. Paying Kabeer all that money was a mistake, I think. I'd rather they used that money for Wahle. Hunt and Johnson were mistakes as it turned out.
Throw out the records when these teams play. There almost always hotly contested. I wouldn't be so sure the Bears will have an easy time of it. Just remember what their record is against Favre the past 14 years. Something like 5 wins only? and none in the last 11 at Soldier?
As for the team not showing up? I didn't say that. I just think they didn't play well, and played soft on the O-line, and the defense didn't adjust to stop the running game off the ends. That's all. Am I disappointed in the season? Sure, but I certainly don't blame #4. And I actually think Sherman is holding this team together in spite of the record. Up until Monday, they seem to have been playing hard. I think the defense also got tired in the second half. Aw, well, I'll just keep watching and rooting, and appreciate every game that Favre is here for. | |
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Location: Northern Illinois | Bears have no offense, and a good defense
Lets see Bears Rushing - 3rd in NFC, 5th in NFL. And since we are allowed to make excuses as a prior post, this rushing dominance is without our #1 rusher for 2 games - T Jones.....and a rookie 4th round QB.
Overall Offense - 28 in NFL....but with a 7-3 record!
Overall Defense - Oh my gosh - #1 in NFL.
Ya, no offense, good defense. I only give up the fact that #4 has always owned the Bears. I am jealous, just of that individual dominance.......it will be fun to see #4 and the Bears slug it out this year. If the Bears continue to play well, it could be the end of #4's dominance of da Bears udring his career. | |
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| Gosh I hope so! | |
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| Sometimes a wounded animal is the one that is most dangerous. A smart man is always cautious around a man who has nothing to loose.
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Location: Appleton wi | Hey after 13 years of dominance in the nfc central/north i guess its time for us die hard packs just take it for what it is worth and realize we just suck. Its a team game and the packers just stink this year!lol nuff said | |
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Location: Northern Illinois | Well no doubt #4 is the star. He has always had some supporting cast; from excellant to mediocre. #4 is able to make everyone around him better and this is what part of his legacy will be. I am thinking of a good O Line once upon a time, some outstanding receivers and a running back or two. As his supporting cast fades, and he ages, not all cylinders are working, and it shows. But he is a true warrior - no doubt. | |
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| Offensive line not blocking?
Defensive line not adjusting and making plays?
Only 3 players showing up and actually playing?
QB who has trouble carrying the whole team?
Questionable coaching?
Are we talking about the Packers, or the Vikings? 
I guess we're not that different after all are we?
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| What is it with the Bears and them almost always having a good defense, anyways?
Favre is still on top of his game. Driver has been unreal this year. Tauscher got called for his very first holding penalty this year, and that was a questionable call.
I think Ron Wolfe summed it up pretty good yesterday. This is now a team made up of NFL-Europe caliber players with all the injuries, and the two ProBowl caliber guards that were left to leave. This is from the man who brought us Brett Favre.
But then again,, he also gave us T-Buck, and Jamal Reynolds! hehehe
Our season is done, no winning season for the first time in 13 years. But there is still hope in the future, as long as Favre returns, and they get some players back to support him.
I hate to say it, but I hope the Bears end up winning the division, even after losing to the Pack. But then again, if the Vikes win, maybe they'll keep Tice! LOL | |
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| Shep - 11/24/2005 7:33 AM
I hate to say it, but I hope the Bears end up winning the division, even after losing to the Pack. But then again, if the Vikes win, maybe they'll keep Tice! LOL
I haven't even been obnoxious this year and you're pulling for the F.I.B.'s.!!
Thanks a lot.....friend?
(Da Bears are going to loose the division to the Vikings New Years Day in the Dome!!) | |
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| Sorry guys, I had to do it.
You can blame Shep!!
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Location: Appleton wi | Now thats funny jack!LOL | |
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| I walked out of Monday nights game in a better mood then after some of the other losses in years past. Some people just don't get it. A true fan is a true fan and looks at both sides of the coin. There has been some inspiring play and some true shows of character and also lack of it. Is it easier to root for a winner? Sure, jump on. I have just as much fun hoping to play the spoiler each week with teams like this. But then, I've been going to games as a seasonm ticket holder for 44 years and look forward to each year since then. No fade in this GREEN & Gold. What other fans would still be filling the stadium? Bears fans, Vikings Fans. Man that's laughable Do the Packers stink?? Hell no. Beat up, playing with 4th and 5th stringers, injuries and rookies on both sides of the ball? Yes. If the Packers were not competative in any of their games and losing 42 to 7 each week, well that's stinkin. Personally, I'd like to see the kid play. Sure would like to see what he can do in the real world and not in a situation where he's playing because Brett's been hurt. If he screws up, bring in the gun slinger and let him rip. Hell, let Brett call the plays from the side line. Sherman's no quarterback. | |
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| Take the nipple out DOC. | |
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| What jealous? Faceless, nameless dribbles like yours are just a show of your true intelect. I suppose the next thing you're going to tell me is that my Mother wears army boots. Ouch that hurts too. Nice show of back bone hiding behind "guest". I've got an idea, how about you ask your mommy if you can go out and play a little catch. Oh that's right, you havn't got any balls. | |
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Location: Neenah, WI | Good one Doc!!!!! | |
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Location: Appleton wi |  Doc now thats funny.Its also funny on how many viking fans and bears fans i know want favre to retire and they say he's lost it.If favre should retire so should culpepper and who ever that qb is in bears land cause they have worse stats than gunslinger.Infact half the qb's should retire in the leaugue if you look at stats.Kinda reminds of elway and the broncos ofcourse we know the end of that story he was 38 when he called it quits
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| I for one don't think he should retire. He still has the juice to play for a few more years. That said, I hope he doesn't stay too long though. Tarkenton did that and it was sad to watch the last year or two because he wasn't nearly the player everyone had known him to be.
This might be controversial to say here, but in all fairness to Brett, I'd like to see him get a chance to make another run at a SB, but I don't think the Packers will have the supporting players around him in time for him to get that shot playing in Green Bay. His best chance to maybe play in another SB would probably come playing for another team. There are several teams that are very close to making to that level, and Brett could be just what any of them need to succeed. Only Brett can decide if that is what he wants to do. If that is what he wants, I would hope the team would accomodate his wishes.
In all honesty, the Packers could open up a lot of cap space without Favre, which would go a long way to help the team rebuild with some FA's, their high draft picks, and those high picks they would get in any trade for him.
I hope you all understand I'm not trying to stir any pots, just sharing some thoughts is all.
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| I think you might be surprised at the Packers situation. (considering injuries) They have been trimimg the fat, have a good core of young players and Bret himself has restructured his contract to allow for better cap numbers. (He's shown a willingness to do so) The test will be (as how close they are with their current skill players) if they spend any free agent money next year. Green could be gone, Walker after being hurt is more likely to take a short deal, they might have the number 1 draft choice and they really didn't spend any free agent money last year. Sounds like thinking ahead. If Brett's still got it, they get their receivers healthy, the D gets even better (they've been better this year then last) and they get a running back in the draft and some more young speed on D plus an easier schedule based on place of finsih and well...... the Bears aren't so far ahead of us in their own rebuilding process that you can't tell the color of the hair on their butts and it sure doesn't look like the Vikings or Lions are going anywhere either right now.
Thanks for the on the catch thing. My name is on every post I make, good or bad. To me, anyone who would take a shot at someone as a"guest" is one of a few things.
A: 12
B: Spinless (chicken #@%3 or insert name of choice)
C: STUPID (what, you really think I can't find out who you are?? Man YOU don't understand how computers work)
D: Someone in need of some love and understanding, very confused at what is real.
E: All of the above (although A may be in level of intelect of not actual age)
Actually I don't mind. It has given me a chance in the past to show a little wit. I figure some of the time it's one of the people who no longer can use the board or don't as thenselves because most people know they are a real idiot OR some 14 year old. As long as it doesn't get threatening. If someone threatens me I just call the police, period. No meet me here stuff or thoughts of fighting at nearly 50. Had some kid at a golf course making threats for a few holes. He was drunk as a skunk and thought our foursome was playing too slow (played the back nine in 2 hrs 5 minutes - rec time 2hrs 15min) So on 17 he hits at us for the third time and as we are teeing off on 18 hits his ball from next to 17 green, through out tee box as our last guy is hitting. Got close to the one guys son, so he yelled back at the guy and asked him what the F he was doing. We had a very fast 18th hole and thought it would be over when we hit the parking lot. WOW, what an idiot. 20 something kid in a wife beater T-shirt, drunk and ready to fight. I smiled as I dialed as the kid beat on my truck. I had a baseball bat behind the seat but chose the cell phone as my weapon of choice. Hope he enjoyed the 19th hole.
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| JLDII - 11/27/2005 10:42 AM
"This might be controversial to say here, but in all fairness to Brett, I'd like to see him get a chance to make another run at a SB, but I don't think the Packers will have the supporting players around him in time for him to get that shot playing in Green Bay. "
Farve's best shot at getting another chance at a super bowl would be to sign as a backup QB on Sharper's team.
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| reels - 11/28/2005 4:22 PM
or he could come play for Chicago.....................
Theres no arguing the Bears need a QB. They haven't had anything close to a QB since they let McMahon go, what 15-18 years ago. | |
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Location: Rockford MN | The Bears don't need a guy like Brett, they are not going to throw the ball 30-40 times a game with that defense!
Brett would be better suited in the AFC where they throw the ball more! Oakland would be a great place for him, they have talent a WR and he'll throw the ball all over the field! Or Miami
or Buffalo. Or the Rams if they could get some sort of line protection.
This will be the 1st losing year under Brett and injuries and 2 new linemen have killed the Packers this year. I have no idea what there cap room looks like, but they better get some help this offseason or I would'nt come back if I were Brett. Just think if they did'nt get so banged up this year, they would have won alot of those close games.
He's gonna be under more pressure this weekend than he has faced all year, I hope they don't get him killed! | |
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Location: Rhinelander | What's a 'Packer'?
I'm one of the very rare Wisconsin residents who has NOTHING that says Green Bay Packers on it. Takes up too much fishing and hunting time on Sundays!
Vikings are those guys with the wood boats who beat Columbus, right? | |
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| sworrall - 11/29/2005 7:32 AM
Vikings are those guys with the wood boats who beat Columbus, right?
Ya Ya, you betcha! | |
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| Oh man, all anybody is talking about here is next year we'll have Mooch as the new head coach. I hope not. He was a good assistant, but he has been miserable as the lions head coach. Alot of people don't like Sherman, but I think more for his GMming, than his coaching. But don't forget, he hhad help for a couple years as GM, and the guy helping was the same guy who didn't draft all that great in the first couple rounds. See my comment about who drafted T-Buck, and J Reynolds.
Farve is at his best with a good running game, and he only has to pass 25-30 times per game. He'd be just what the Bears would need to go all the way. But that will never happen. Can't trade him for cap reasons, and they wouldn't trade to a team in their dividion even if they could. Plus, he doesn't want to learn a new system. As for him going to Sharper's team? No way. I believe Sharper, while a big play guy, turned into a cancer in the locker room, and that, more than his diminshing athletic ability, is why the Packers let him go.
I think Sherman and Farve get one more year together. Get some guys back healthy, get that line playing together and well, get a running back that will hang on to the ball and stay healthy, and get a tight end that doesn't play so soft. Then, fix a few things on defense, and the Pack could be right back in the hunt. If this team could have made half the mistakes they have this year, they'd be leading the division.
It looks like the Sheppard Family will all get to see a game at Lambeau this year. Ticket prices are plummeting. I'm thinking the Bears game on X-Mas Day. What an outing that would be! There's only a couple handfuls of games left to see #4, So I think I want to do that. Nothing better than a Dec game at Lambeau! | |
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You handled that golf drunk better than I would have.
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