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| I hear Ranger has an opening on their ProStaff! Hey Irwin, I'm available and you can bet I WON'T be culling fish!!!!!!!!!
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Location: Rockford MN | I'd still cull fish (when you can) but NEVER dead ones! lol
Good to see that atleast one of his top sponsors dropped that head case for his over board display. I hear another was OK with it as they stated they will keep him????????????? Funny how different compaines look at the people they pay to play sports!!!! |
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Location: Rockford MN | I just wanted to point out that atleast 1 guy has asked to be removed from his sponsorship with a company that has deceided to keep Mike. David Kraft posted on WC that he wants out of this sponsor because of the whole deal. Mr. Kraft stated he was Vet of VN and was sicken by the actions during the tournament. After finding out one of his sponsors was going to keep Mike anyways he said "I want out"!
I thought everyone here should know, I think this is very brave of him! Making a stance on something he feels this strongly about. Mr. Kraft I wish you the best, you should get a new deal soon! |
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| I trust the next time you yell at your wife or kids they will throw you out of the house forever. I am a like personality with Ike when fishing a tourney.. and I admire him for his exuberance real or a little put on whichever it might be.. he made two mistakes no three. #1 he and his fellow competitors allowed the tourney organization to force them to use a boat other than their own.. #2 Didn't demand that his total be counted and not disqualified until a court other than the tourney staff had made a legal decision....were talking about $500,000 here and lots more in other benefits. #3 Winning the Classic in the first place since people have hated him and been gunning for him ever since... to put things into perspective on another fishing site posters read the riot act to Luke this years Classic winner because he was too reserved, and actually called him "disgusting" for it . A little bit more understanding, a little bit of mercy might actually be nice. I know I'm not perfect and neither is anyone else. As for Ranger that decision may come back to haunt them.
Edited by Mountain Man 3/1/2006 1:51 AM
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Location: Rockford MN | Just wondering where we draw the line? Seems in todays world the more UN -professinal you act the better. What ever happened to the Barry Sanders and Walter Payton's of the world? Why is it now we need guys to act like this to be good for sports? If infact kids were watching this with there Dad and saw him, how is that good for the future? I do some coaching, when I see kids acting like the guy they saw on TV it makes me sick. 8 year old kids arguing with the coach or trying to make a "Team" sport into his own game.
Kids get all this from TV! They want to be just like that guy and they figure if they act and play just like that they will be!
Sponsors PAY for these guys to play for that 500K, NO way this guy is shelling out the 25K it took to get there on his own. So while atleast when he is on TV he might act the part! |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | I to would also like to back Mountain Man here. As I read on another site where another very recognized walleye angler mentioned that it's not hard for an incident like what happened with Ike to happen. He was in a boat that he is not familar with and I don't think that is his fault. I'm also pretty sure that there has been numerous other meltdowns by other pros in the past but either they get edited out or there just wasn't a camera present. I really don't think that Ike intentionally ment to explode on a live telecast in front of millions of viewers but it just so happen that it did. I think ESPN was in the total wrong doing for airing that, I don't think it was for the good of the sport at all! No matter what happened! I'm not saying I'm backing Ike and what he did, but I think he is getting way to much criticism for what happened! If I was competing for $500K I know for sure that I would have done something stupid or something that I probably would regret if that was me in the largest tournament of it's kind!
Edited by Merckid 3/1/2006 10:07 AM
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| I love the celebration when he catches every fish, and I'm not surprised that he reacted strongly to live well of dead or near dead fish. Too stongly ... definitely, embarassingly ..yup, bad language ...uhuh, politically incorrect ...you betcha, should'n't do it again ... nope. Worth disqualification or loss of Ranger,or worse yet public ridicule by fellow anglers and any of us... no way.. Dale Earnhardt was hated by fans, sponsors, and other drivers for years because you either moved or you literally put your life in your hands... but he was respected before he died for his results and passion for the sport and now after death has received a God like status... Ike hurt himself and the equipment and no he isn't DEI or at this point even one of the best... but he is one of the best on some days and one of the worst on some days.. and like you said where do we draw the line... I would at endangering other people... not a light pole. But it is America and we have the right and I think responsibility to express our opinion and although I may not agree I do respect all of our right to our opinions. I also repect the fact that we all make mistakes and all deserve a little slack... and by the way he isn't even in my top 100 favorite pro fisherman. |
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Location: Rhinelander | Each and every Pro out there has to be aware the camera is on, the film rolling, and the images recorded available immediately to the public. That awareness and resulting reaction to something negative happening while on camera should mesh with the image the angler wants to project for his sponsors, himself, and the sport. Mistakes happen, but this was a doozie.
I don't think anyone needs cut him 'slack', any more than we would for any other public figure. He'll take his lumps and move forward best as is possible, like any other public figure caught on film in an embarrassing or untoward time. At least this wasn't the result of the Press shooting an unauthorized piece or chasing a known 'bad boy' around trying to get a 'moment' recorded. |
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| I don't understand the big deal....
I find it rather humorous. I think the only people bothered are the ones talking about it. It's obvious they could care less about the classic when compared to what is Ike doing today? Human nature is to focus on "stars" behavior. Like we expect them to be at this much higher standard, when in fact we probably let most "stars" slide on what doesn't meet the "standard". Hollywood and politics are perfect examples of this. |
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| Now this is what its all about ... free open discusion without anybody getting personal.. Guess we all agree "I think" on one thing... this is not what a guy wants to do... but it happens. I guess what we disagree on is what the result should be and the degree to which this occurence was any worse than what happens out there everyday,.. hard call on the ESPN thing... but they seem to cut/edit pretty closely a lot of the other blow-ups other anglers do. It does make you wonder why they showed this whole thing. Ike certainly signed a waiver like all of us do to be filmed and photographed, and yah he knew he was on camera...
I was the Director for around 30 tournaments in the past and in almost every instance in discussions regarding unsportsmanlike conduct , it was with regards to actions hindering or to the detriment of another team or other people using that body of water... not yourself... but anyway it obviously wasn't here unless we stretch it to detrimant of the sport as a whole... in that case at last count about 5 guys or more every year have a fit or temper tantrum on camera and I'm not aware of a single one of them being disqualified???
Regardless for whatever reason this obviously has may folks concerned and that is bad in itself. I just have to wonder though why we don't hold Motion Pictures, and TV shows to even remotely these same standards... if we did none of us would watch most TV or most movies including the news???? Well enough time,(for me). spent on a subject where there are clearly widely differnet opinions and unlikely to be a whole lot of middle ground... kind of a snapshot of The US as a whole right now. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | I think this subject could be argued and discussed until we are blue in the face but it comes down to every person has there own opinion on what's right and what's wrong! But I really do think that people need to think about what they would have done if they were in Ike's shoes at that very moment. Again, I'm not the biggest fan of him but everyone can perceive this many different ways and have there own opinions on it. Because a subject like this, not everyone will have the same opinion! |
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| OK, I give. I'm missing something here. What, where, and when did Mike actually do?
I lead a very sheltered life. My wife don't let me read the paper, or watch TV. Please, I need information from the outside world. |
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Location: upper michigan | His fish went belly up in his live well as the classic doesnt allow you to use your own boat he didnt have the live wells settings correct. He was going a little goofy trying to revive the fish and then he got a little wacked out and threw something in the water while hollering all on national television. I undrstand his frustration and the camera man should never have showed those belly up fish in the first place. The whole thing should of been kept off the air. But if this is like any other fishing tourney there where probably a dozen or so boats watching him also and he should of never exploded like that. |
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Wanna be like IKE