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Location: Orland Park, IL | Yep, I remember reading about them. Smokin job. You did great. Weecked dreeft no? I put in 4 hours and was happy.
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Location: Appleton, WI | Nice job Mr. Skeeter!!
I'm going out in the morning and am off the next 2 weeks so plan on spending a great deal of time on the water. Going to try Stevens reef first but the as the wind picks up, I'm going to go try your trick.
I have one of those set-ups so will try it. One question is how far from the hook is the weight? I only have those clip on weights. I usually put it 30 clicks from the bait and then let out another 30 clicks before adding the board. Does this sound okay? Sure would be nice to find some larger fish as the west shore reefs have been very hot with those fat 13-16 inchers.
Any help is alway appreciated as I'm trying to learn this hobby more.
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | Purple Skeeter - 6/18/2006 9:25 PM
Nothing I was doing was producing any fish, so I opened up my harness box and took out a wiggle fin, the new blades I just bought at Bass Pro Shops and tied a harness that Captain Dan showed here on Walleye First that he uses on Saginaw Bay.
Purple Skeeter
Skeeter.
Thanks for the Cudos on the rig. But your variation is just a little different than I tie/use mine. But when they work, who really cares about the why's.  
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Location: Manitowoc WI | are those wiggle fins availible localy (wisconsin)? i can see alot of applications they would be good for.... |
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| I bought some at Midwest Shooter's Supply in Lomira. They had two sizes, that was a while ago, not sure if they still have them.
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Location: Manitowoc WI | Should i order the bigger ones or smaller ones? maybe i should just get the variety pak. |
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | budsbud66 - 6/19/2006 12:18 PM
Should i order the bigger ones or smaller ones? maybe i should just get the variety pak.
If your thinking harness applications, go BIG. The smaller ones won't shake (Wiggle) the rigs and crawlers like the big ones do. Couple pictures and results below of the first day I used then last year on July 7th.
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| Do the wiggle fins affect the running depth of the harness? Do you let out more line to compensate fro the additional restriction? |
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | guest - 6/19/2006 3:20 PM
Do the wiggle fins affect the running depth of the harness? Do you let out more line to compensate fro the additional restriction?
I'd say they diffinetly do have more drag then say a regular harness with blades. They push water from side to side, versus cut through it. My technique was to simply let the rig with 1 1/2 ounce keels (slow spool down) until it hit bottom, I'd then reel in 3 cranks on the "Gold Cup" reel and set the release on the tether line of my planer board. Nothing scietific. It equaled out to about 43 back over 19 FOW at .08 to 1 MPH on the GPS.
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Location: Menasha, WI | I found a tough bite on Sunday too. Unlike Purple Skeeter, I was on the water by 4:30 and only had until 11am to fish. Like Purple Skeeter I went a couple of hours before my first fish. The wicked winds kept my little boat close to home on the NW end, I tried a few different appoaches and finally found a few drifting harnesses along the edge of the reefs at .5-.7 mph. No big eyes but I did catch a few eaters for Father's Day lunch and C&Red a nice sauger.
This morning I worked the same harness presentation that produced yesterday but could only manage a couple of dinks. The wind was stiffer than yesterday but from a different direction so it wasn't as rough as yesterday but I was drifting a lot faster, around 1.0-1.2 mph. As soon as I switched to cranks production increased dramatically. The ticket was a #5 Crawfish Glass Shad Rap 70 feet back in 11'-12' of water. Again nothing huge, but a nice walleye lunch.
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | And if any of you Salmon guys got any Finsel Flies, they seem to be working for me this year so far as well. But that may be an unfair assessment. As anything that swims this year on the Saginaw Bay seems to be working. Heres the Finsel Fly idea. By the way, if you order the squid kit from Cabela's, you automatically get a variation of sizes of the Finsel Flies with it.
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| Hey Capt. Dan,
Those are some nice looking harnesses. If you don't mind me asking, what kind of blades are those (in particular, the red one on the bottom of last picture)?
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | UnsungChip - 6/19/2006 4:22 PM
Hey Capt. Dan,
Those are some nice looking harnesses. If you don't mind me asking, what kind of blades are those (in particular, the red one on the bottom of last picture)?
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Man, I knew somebody would ask me that. 
I go into our best sports shop in Linwood near where I keep my charter boat, a place called Franks Great Outdoors. http://Franksgreatoutdoors.com I do their fishing reports as well. They buy blades in bulk from somewhere and sell them 3 to 5 in a pack for a set price with their name on the package. And I mean in all the kinds and colors a man has ever seen. But there is seldom if ever a name brand on these blades. You might go to their On-Line store at their site and find blades and maybe they have a few of them listed.
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Location: Combined Locks, WI | I have, along with the boats in my group have been running set ups similar to this for sometime now and doing well just about everywhere we go. We have also tried leeches and Gulp.
There are so many different variations of this crawler rig, you just need to use your imagination and experiment with combinations. Don't be afraid to blow a half day or a whole day without catching fish, just to try things.
Nice job Skeeter
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | budsbud66_work - 6/19/2006 4:57 PM
do you run Crawlers on those fly setups? would be interesting to also experiment with leechs or gulp..
Yup.
Live crawlers on all these rigs above. The only rigs I'll run Gulps on occasionally are my Spoon Harnesses Rigs, when I'm running them as sliders above cranks. Otherwise they get the real deal as well when I'm running them by themselves behind keels. The speeds I troll when using spoon sliders and the Gulps (up to 3.0 mph), don't give the walleye much chance to scrutinize the rig or the bait. Pictures below.
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Location: Neenah Wi | Good thing I have a lot of storage for the next box of goodies to try.Seems like every time I come on here someone else has another great setup to try.We were out on sat in the wind and only managed to get 2 keepers and a dink.Did not try harness's though.I did not know otter st.could'nt fish poygan and decided to hit winnebago as I thought poygan would be a zoo.I'll be out in the morn with my brother and uncle. |
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | Purple Skeeter - 6/19/2006 9:15 PM
Ok Dan!!! Another lure project.... I give up... Where do you get your spoons from??
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Skeeter.
I'll tell you but you better know that I'm on their Pro-Staff, and I know how you feel about that. 
All these spoons are Michigan Stingers, the Scorpion size. You can get them In most sports shops. |
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Location: Manitowoc WI | ive ran spoon rigs and noticed equal success to conventional crawler rigs. my one question is, whats the purpose of the chain on your spoon rigs..
Purple Skeeter: Those michigan stingers are sharp, but i use almost any lake michigan salmon spoon and they also work.
Capt: Dan have you experiment with running medium sized dodgers on your crawler fly rigs? alot like lake michgan fly dodgers? I would think running those big dodgers would attract fish from a distance and running them high would pull them up to your depth? any opinions? |
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| Dan....
Now that produced a pretty good laugh!!
You have already earned my trust !!
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | (Q)ive ran spoon rigs and noticed equal success to conventional crawler rigs. my one question is, whats the purpose of the chain on your spoon rigs..
(A)I experimented for a while before deciding on all the components that I use on the spoon harness rigs. With the crawler and the 2 hook harness tied directly onto the back of the spoon, it did not allow the spoon to flip back and forth and flash to my liking. By adding 2 beaded chain swivels (front and back) to the spoon, it allows this flip to occur unhindered by any drag and at all trolling speeds fast or slow. And keeps the main line twist free.
Purple Skeeter: Those michigan stingers are sharp, but i use almost any lake michigan salmon spoon and they also work.
(Q)Capt: Dan have you experiment with running medium sized dodgers on your crawler fly rigs? alot like lake michgan fly dodgers? I would think running those big dodgers would attract fish from a distance and running them high would pull them up to your depth? any opinions?
(A)Nope I have not tried dodgers on the fly rigs. I have used the smaller diving discs and the #5 hoochie mama's as show in the picture and they work for walleyes in deeper water, say 25' or deeper. If I had one complaint about the fly rigs, it's that the Finsel tends to get twisted over time while working in the water, because of the turning/twisting of the spinner blade on the rig. I plan on fixing that problem by pinching a sleve on the line just after the first bead, so only it turns with the blades resolution.
As far as pulling up walleyes from the depths with a dodger? On Saginaw Bay, I believe suspended (mid depth) walleyes will indeed come up a few feet to grab an easy meal. But them boys near or dead on the bottom either want something dead slow and right in their faces, or simply want to be left alone.
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | I won't make this a habbit, but being it's kinda related to where this topic ended up, heres my report from today on the Saginaw Bay.
Wulp, the weeds were not an issue today for some reason, even after that 2 day blow. And heres the poop from my charter today on the Bay. I ran straight out of Hoyles and started trolling in 16 FOW towards the Spark Plug. Went 9 for 11 all the way to it, turned around and went 10 for 13 on the way back. 3 man limit kept by 11:47. Farmed about a 9 pounder behind the boat, caught a couple monster sheeps, and threw back about 8 or 10 more just touching that 15 inch mark. Used every single one of my 42 releases by days end. All but 3 fish were caught on Stinger Scorpion slider spoons above cranks 50 to 70 back, 2.3 to 2.6. Raspberry was kicking Azz and taking names. I was in with about 7 or 8 other boats and only seen one other fish landed. Heard guys talking on the radio that said they were throwing everything they had at them, and couldn't get anything going. It was a slider kind of day for sure.
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