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Location: Menasha, WI | I am very interested in hearing what your thoughts are on how far a harness will run down in the water column with the following positions:
6 foot lead, 35 feet behind the boards, 1MPH, 1/4 oz. in line weight.
Now this is meant to give other scenerios as well, so feel free to post what you feel you are running, when running harnesses.
I have looked all over the web, and the answers and the possibilities are endless, so I was just wondering what all of you found the most effective or ineffective when running harnesses.
I figure with the slow time of year as it is, this might be a good discussion.
I would actually like to collect a bunch of data, and then try and figure out some sort of depth curve for harnesses, speed, and length, and then I will gladly give you my results.
If there is such a depth chart, like in the Precision Trolling Book or somewhere else, let us all know, so we can save the time and effort.
I just think that running harnesses is up to the individual and what they feel cofortable in running, and what has worked for them. So let's all open up a bit, and see what we can come up with for a depth chart, or some tips and advice for us and for others.
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| With some many endless possibilities perhaps you should hire a guide or try to find a tournaments guy who will take you out and prefish with him/her and teach you some basic . Alot of qualifies individual who have been using harness for years are on here. good luck |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | well, Juicy crawlers actually helped out alot, thanks for the words of wisdom....err ....ahhh..... ok. As you have found, the basic calculation is 1 oz inline weight will run 1/2 the depth of the lead. I.E. 35ft lead, 1oz inline = depth of 17ft or so. I believe that if that bench mark is true, then its a simply math equation to get a idea as to where the 1/4 oz inline will run. But, it is all a guess. To many variables.
P.S. I do like this idea for a discussion as well.
Edited by stacker 1/6/2007 9:25 AM
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Location: upper michigan | I run a similar patern on a local lake and found that at 1.1 mph that weight will run about 8 feet. |
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| Just an fyi, Axl is a guide, and he will come up with some type of formula for harnesses if he gets enough info from other individuals, and he will share it with everyone. |
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Location: upper michigan | the same weight and leader run 10 feet back will get you down about 3 to 4 feet.
1/2 run 20 feet back gets you pretty close to 8 feet.
remember that this is all highly speed dependent I always run around 1 to 1.1 to achieve these depths. |
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| I find Denny's 1 oz calculations (I know it's a rule of thumb) to be shallower than the actual depths run. I make a motion to have Denny removed as president of the planer board of directors. jk....
My depth calculations were arrived by contacting bottom while running @ 1.5 MPH
This summer I found that running a 5/8 oz weight 60 feet back @ 1.5 MPH would get me close to bottom and occasionally on bottom in 21 feet of water.
So if I figure my 5/8 ox setup, it would be:
65 feet back divided by 1/2 = 32.5 divided by 62.5% (% of 5/8oz weight)= 20.3 feet reduced by 1.37% (% of decrease in depth by increase in speed to 1.5mph) = 18.065 feet
On 3/8 oz my setup would be:
45 feet back divided by 1/2 = 22.5 divided by 37.5% (% of 3/8 oz weight)= 16.87 feet reduced by 1.37% (% of decrease in depth by increase in speed to 1.5mph) = 12.31.
In my experience, a #5 Colorado blade with 20# Vanish with 6 - 6mm Beads and an inline keel weight with a barrel swivel and a 5 foot leader running 10# XT
runs 15% deeper than the charts.
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| like jigging, trolling harnesses has a certain degree of "feel" about it that only trial and error (or success) will teach. PTG will get you in the ball park.
trolling speed (as well as the accuracy of the device you used to measure it), current, line diameter, and blade size will all effect the depth reached. If you don't know where you are in relation to bottom, hold a rod over the side until you contact it and adjust from there.
There is no instant pudding in walleye fishing. |
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| There has to be somebody out there that spends at least 300 days a year on the lake that does well fishing tournys that should know something about this... Someone shold hold a class on crawler harnesses.............I would think a class could go for at least a few hours on this subject........ Anyone? |
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Location: Menasha, WI | They say 3 percent of the people use 5 to 6 percent of their brain
97 percent use 3 percent and the rest goes down the drain
I'll never know which one I am but I'll bet you my last dime
99 percent think with 3 percent 100 percent of the time
64 percent of all the world's reports are made up right there on the spot
82.4 percent of people believe 'em whether they're accurate reports or not
I don't know what you believe but I do know there's no doubt
I need another double shot of something 90 proof
I got too much to think about
Too much to think about
Too much to figure out
Stuck between hope and doubt
It's too much to think about
They say 92 percent of everything you learned on the lake was just bullshit you'll never need
84 percent of everything you got you bought to satisfy your greed
Because 90 percent of the world's population links possessions to success
Even though 80 percent of the wealthiest 1 percent of the population
Drinks to an alarming excess
More money, more stress
It's too much to think about
Too much to figure out
Stuck between hope and doubt
It's too much to think about
84 percent of all fishermen truly hate their jobs
They say the average bank robber lives within say about 20 miles of the bank that he robs
There's this little bank not far from here I've been watching now for a while
Lately all I can think about's how bad I wanna go out in style
And it's too much to think about
Too much to figure out
Stuck between hope and doubt
It's too much to think about
That's right
It's too much to think about
Amen
It's too much to think about
I think these lyrics relate, don't you all???? |
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | Too much to DRINK about! Definitely. |
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| Who wants Jello instant pudding? 
Too many variables......one needs to find that speed that they like and then work from there, size of blades, type of blades, size of beads, yada yada yada all have effects on depth. |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | wow rocket scientist, I would almost have guessed you to be Brad B with the mathematical equation you gave...hahahahaha. But that just goes to show that each troller has his own "Recipe" as far what, where, who, how..... fun to hear everyones recipe though and to see what they hold as important to the whole program.
You do not have to kick me off of the board of directors, I will resign with my tail between my legz and try new stuff this summer. j/k... |
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| Butch I fish Houghton lake in Roscommon county in central mi.about 100 days a yr. Try trolling at .8 or.9. You will get more bites than at 1mph. You don't want the blade to make full revoulutions just to wabble. I run 35ft of 6lbs test at .8 or .9 with big blades and that's 8-9 ft. Saginaw bay in 30ft of water rule of thumb is 30ft of lead from bottom bouncer for depth and double back from planer board at 1 mph is .5-1 ft off bottom. |
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| I see the op is from Axl. What ever happened to Axl? |
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Crawler Harness Depths????