|
|
| I just did a bunch of testing and want to get some feed back on my findings if anyone will share.
with a 1/2 ounce 25 feet back the depth is 7ft
30 8ft
35 9ft
40 10ft
48 11ft
55 12ft
65 13ft
I'm really putting my self out here so hope that we can share some info and not be one sided other wise I won't share anything again Jim
PS I screwed up this is no good if you don't have the speed it was 1.2 to 1.3 with 30ft lead |
|
| |
|
Member
Posts: 625
Location: LaCrosse, WI | Jim,
Great info. I'll let you know what I find next time I'm out. I'll run your system on some sand flats to test the depths. I usually run 1oz so the 1/2 oz test will be interesting.
Thanks for sharing. I'll let you know my results.
Marshall |
|
| |
|
| It is interesting that the ratio of line out to depth changes quite a bit, so there is significant drag from line, lure, or both. I like to maintain a 3,4,5 triangle between the distance of rod tip to water, distance from rod position to the point line enters water, and the length of line from rod tip to line entering water. Therefore for every 5 feet of line out the bait goes down 3 feet. When the line drifts behind the boat more than 4 feet, I increase the weight. I learned this from Zack's precision snap weight article several years ago. It will explain it much better if he gives us the link. Geometry for fisherman.
Larry Strelow |
|
| |
|
Member
Posts: 1656
| Jim,
Thanks for sharing....but I'm extremely anal about my set-up/data and facts I use.
How was the test performed? did you pull just lead? Did you pull a spinner blade? What size blade? Did you have beads? if so how many? waht size? plastic or other material? what kind of line were you using? What # test of line?
As you can see I'm extremely particular about what I run to dial in a depth and the above questions can all influence your depth.
As for sharing, I think what you shared is great, but you didn't let the cat out of the bag so to speak....relax, it's all good.
Happy trolling. |
|
| |
|
| jayman good question.
first I pulled a harness 17pound floro 6ft lead then 6 8mm beads and no 5 blade with 3 hooks colorado blade like I think I said it was not windy and I bounced over rocks now if your that particular what are you doing that I'm not doing????
some times it dwas confusing so had to go over 5 to 6 times to make sure that what was happening was not a fluke so to speak |
|
| |
|
| I was pulling snap weights |
|
| |
|
Member
Posts: 2567
Location: Manitowoc, WI | What was bouncing on the bottom.....the snap weight or the spinner? How long is your lead between the snap weight and spinner? Any current in this area? What lake/place did you test this? There are alot of variables that can effect these results.
P.S. I see it....30 ft lead. My bad!!!
Edited by jerry 5/22/2007 3:25 PM
|
|
| |
|
Member
Posts: 591
Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | yes we need to know where our gear is running BUT.. pulling harnesses is most productive in clear water for a reason ... fish can hear and see them comming from miles away... active fish will move up plenty far in the water colum to hit the thing... add to that there is current in any body of water wind and waves ... duplicatoin is the key to success but in my opinion , spending time finding fish would be most important ,, oh then run you stuff a bit above the arks... if you are close you will know it... you will catch fish ,, then fine tune .. conditions change to fast to pull out a chart. the bite is up now its down now they want a dif size blade or a bigger package ... or a crank bait... forgive me but all the hard work your putting in seems to be too much in my eyes... oh well what do i know.. For the most part i wish i had the patiance to carfully log all that stuff , i guess in a way i envey you guys , and either way you look at it the time spent will no doubt result in a bunch of usefull things that can be used in the future .. just would seem hard to get a chart or pattern with the accuracy you guys are trying to achieve. ,, close does count in more than hand granades and horseshoes. in this case , fish can swim a few feet .. good luck let me know when the book comes out .. ill be in like a burgler on that deal. |
|
| |
|
| bradley I think your missing the point. you need a starting point to get above or below the fish and you need to let the fish tell you what they want. I know what you are all saying but has anyone come out and said that this is right or wrong or if i'm off my gorde I want this forum to be informative and do you think that with the 13 tournament that I'm fishing this year that I need to give up this info I'm putting myself out there and trying to get the ball rolling on the subject .a starting point and only that is what I'm trying for and in 9 hrs of testing I think that someone can help out a little bit . I know that current and wind and everything else will affect my findings but am I close,what is your experience in my findings????? I'm getting a little frustrated with no feed back |
|
| |
|
Member
Posts: 2567
Location: Manitowoc, WI | Jim,
Why are you getting frustrated??? What are you looking for here??? I'm confused.....I wasn't putting what your information down. I was asking about the other variables of the test.
For your information, I use all 1 oz. and 2 oz. weights, whether they be inlines or snap weights. My goal is to put the lure/bait 3-5 ft. above the fish I'm after. I don't have any rules of thumb or specific amounts of line out as I use trial and error for each circumstance. I've found that wind direction and current, especially on the Great Lakes, has a great amount of influence on where the bait/lure is located. |
|
| |
|
| I guess with over 150 hits and no one can tell me how they run their harneses it doen't make any sense. jerry you know you can use any weight you want and then try to get them down to the fish now with your 1 oz fish are 17 feet are you going to run your line out150 yards????? you see I am putting out findings and I am looking to find out if what I did was what others have experienced thats all or is there no one out there that runs harneses ???? exactly alot of people do and no one wants to share info |
|
| |
|
Member
Posts: 885
| Fishnfool,
In water less than 8 feet, I have had the best luck with a #5 Colorado blade, no weights, 45-55 feet back.
On Bago, 65 feet back in 19 feet of water 3/8 oz weight has worked for me.
On the Bay, 65 back in 21 feet of eater with 5/8 oz weight has produced lots of fish.
Purple Skeeter |
|
| |
|
| thanks purple
I sure appreciate the info and will try your results soon I think that its important that we share this info to figure out whats happening for repeatability again thanks Jim |
|
| |
|
Member
Posts: 1406
| fishnfool, there have been many discussions on this topic and I don't understand why you say you are "putting yourself out there" Thanks for sharing by the way. Most that visit here are learning myself included, I never offer any advice and expect something in return! But since you have insisted, Your testing seems close but like others have said it only takes a few runs to determine where the fish are with any particular setup and if that doesn't work, pull off those harnesses and pull a crank bait through the column.
Fish are migratory and VERY suseptible to weather patterns. What works one day may not work the next, but keep this in mind, your hard work in determining a pattern for YOUR rigs will more than likely work for YOU and not necessarily the next guy!
Personally I pull harnesses very little. too many other fish get in my way. I run Winning Streaks, Shinners, Shad raps, Walleye Minnows, Walleye divers, Hot and tots, Yo-Zuris, Little rippers, Reef Runners, Ripsticks, Taildancers, Flickershads and Firesticks, Bomber Longs, Vibes, Peanuts, Huskys, Salmos, Rouges and so many others. Get the picture?
Good Luck
Tyee |
|
| |
|
Member
Posts: 1382
| Great points about sharing information and ideas. It's not always easy to get the information flowing.
One thing, though; we have a very large unregistered audience, most of whom come in to see what's up and read the news and info of the day. Most of these folks don't post, but watch everything that IS posted pretty closely.
We truly appreciate everyone who is willing to discuss ideas and techniques.
|
|
| |
|
Member
Posts: 1656
| Jim,
I wasn't trying to beat up on you, I'm just implying that there are a TON of variables that will affect your results.
I use different weights and different speeds to get my stuff where I want. Inline weights vs snap weights vs bottom bouncers will all play a part in how I run stuff. Speed is the biggest factor, with drag being the next biggest factor.
Secondly, I really don't worry about "precise" depth control, I like to run stuff that will cover the water column and then let the fish tell me where to put stuff. Use boat control to help you search the water column AND determine speed.
Now, for gaining any major insight on how to catch fish beyond the basics that you seem to be defensive/selfish about. Let me give you this tip: You can catch more bees with honey.
Good luck |
|
| |
|
Member
Posts: 1382
| I know where my snap weight will be based upon the amount of line I let out at a 45 degree angle so I normally use that as my starting point. I compensate from that known by adjusting weight (less or more).
I don't get too anal about this, just trying to cover the water column above the fish. Don't forget to add a few feet for your lead length depending upon how long it is. I use 25 ft alot with snap weights. Also add a little bit for line drag, assume the heavier the snap weight the less that will be affected, the more line you have out, the more it will be affected. |
|
| |
|
Member
Posts: 591
Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | jim i love the way your on this hard... i use 1 oz snaps only , on my two outside lines .. i use 3 oz on my inside without boards , i have found that the 3 oz dropped like a down rigger though not out from the boat will be running at the exact depth i want them too.. i can bring them up or down in a second and are out of the way if i want to bring a fish in over the top of them .. i also find them easy to clear if i need to get them out of the way for that nice 8 lb fish that the bay seems to produce so often.. i use less weight on the outside and stay consistant with 1 0z .. for one reason... consistant and affective as they keep my line at a 45 or les and somwhat taught... this lets me keep the slack out of the line. and is less noticable by the fish.. many times more than not .. a large fish will grab your crawler and swim along leaving no trace with your offshore tattle tale or not... you notice something funny about how its running .. a moment or two later the fish either drops it or takes off with it .. the lighter the weight the less likley that the fish will drop it.. giving you time to reel in and get a hookset? i recoment doing this before you remove it from the rod holder. i supose i said too much again but keep the weight consistant and mess with the rest,,, either way get down to the fish ,.. remember if they can see it they will chase it ... and if they smell it and are hungery they will eat it.. |
|
| |
|
| IS this different for snap weights vs inline weights. Ive got completely different numbers for inlines at 1/2 oz. |
|
| |
|
| BHILL
what were your findings and was it at the same speed??
I think that with inlines since the weight is closer to the spinner it may dive more could you share that info I will be out on sat to test again and would like to try what you found if you don't want to thats okay I just think that the trolling bible has helped a ton of people and I just wanted to give back a little Jim |
|
| |
|
| Hi bradley,
I used to use 2 oz weights all the time that way I could just set the depth I waned and it held lets say I was in 17 ft and the fish were suspended at 12 all I had to do is drop it to 12 and I was right there at 12 or 11ft I was at 11 and so on I just want to use lighter weights
okay and I will give up another thing that I do and that is to run shallow running cranks with the harnesses on another line at the same time 2 presentations and the shllow runner is a different profile and a lot slower wobble then a shad rap type bait.
|
|
| |
|
Member
Posts: 1656
| inlines don't have as much drag as snap weights, thus they will sink deeper with everthing else being the same. |
|
| |
snap weights