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Location: Potter, WI. | 4 fish for 35#'s won this tournament. We fished chambers. we captured 7 walleye and one super goat, missed one walleye we assume. weighed four for 23#'s and some odd change bite slowed from what we had going during prefishing. The changing winds didn't help our bite. We fished the tip of a finger that comes out on the NW side. biggest fish was over 7#'s . Had bigger fish going. Typical prefishing story. We were using 1 1/2 OZ. bouncers 40' back. Tequila sunrise blades and silver. bead color didn't seem to be a factor. Seen a few boats come and go. Wish we fished the other island..... |
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| Great job Robert Blosser and Joe Okada. You beat some of the best on the bay. Dan Palmer |
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Location: Chicago IL. | Way to go Joe.  |
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | Hey Chris G. How bout a complete list of the results? |
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| Forget that request for a list of the complete results, Chris! Just the money winners will do. The toothpaste didn't work, either! hehehe
Had a good two days, regardless. Fished with Mexico Brian Stangel. We had a really good day Saturday, and our cinfidence was high Sunday morning. The wind change really screwed up our fish. Couldn't fish the way we wanted. But had alot of fun in the boat, and it's always good to see freinds at the weigh in. I'll be back next year! |
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| * CLAP CLAP CLAP *
Way to go, Joe!!! |
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Location: Appleton wi | I'd like to see a complete result list. Is swc site back up anyone know?cranky was there alot of traffic out there sunday?
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Location: princeton Il. | Congrats Joe to you and your partner. A well deserved win against some great anglers. See you in a few weeks. |
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| Great job Bob & Joe. Glad to see you still have some tricks in the bag for big fish.
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Location: Potter, WI. | eye lunker, there was probably 6-8 tournament boats there till about 11 after that only 3 or 4 of us. the bite was slow. I know of 2 other boats that were there and the had 23 and 24 lbs. they left and came back. don't know if they caought there fish there or not. |
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| Channel 26 aires story on fish kill in Oconto, Blamming tournamnets and releasing fish in temps to warm for survival! fish are washing up on shore! Dnr says they are working on regulation for better regulation of tourneys!
Hmmmm. Should this have been a Catch and Kill tourney, this publicity never is any good!
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| tyee what tournament are you implying that casued this? |
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Location: Port Washington, wisconsin | Any popcorn left Denny? |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | popcorn is gone, this looks like a beer drinkin fight anyhow. why did a jab need to be throwen? Tyee? |
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| No jabs are being thrown Denny! were there other events in this area this weekend? Just thought it be mentioned as I only know of this tourney up that way this weekend, it was at the Oconto launch I believe and the locals and reporters conveyed that it was more than likely from a tournament. The television Media reported it and not the internet media where many tournament people frequent. I brought it up only for people to realize that this is not the image that we need portrayed to the entire TV viewing audiance (average angler). If one person learns something from it then it will help all these (small local) tournaments establish better procedures to prevent this type of thing from happening in the future. In my opinion this should have been a KILL tourney! plain and simple! You tourney directors need to get these media people out to film the events and tell the whole story, These images of dead fish and tourneys being blamed is a sad truth and the whole story needs to be covered! You directors need to find a way to get in front of a camera before an event and promote your sport if you want it to grow!
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | OK can anyone find this video segment that was reported on this subject, online, so every may watch it as well? I cannot find it, and that does not mean it was not on there, I just cannot find it and would like to see what was reported before any further discussion.
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Location: Green Bay, WI | I called NBC 26 (920-494-2626) and talked to Leah in the news department. She said yes they did the story and that it is not posted on the net.
Basically she said the video showed some dead fish in the water and an interview with someone from the DNR. The DNR didn't know what killed the fish but the speculation was that it might have been related to the tournament that happend over the weekend.
I'm just the second hand reporter, if you want more, like the video call Leah. |
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| I'm not sure, but I thought there was a pontoon boat with a tank to take the fish out of the river. I do know the river was a lot warmer than the waters out in the bay. I thought I saw like 8 degrees higher. If the fish were released in the river, that certainly could further stress those fish. |
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Location: Rhinelander | You directors?
And how would that be, Tyee? The local TV affiliate stations are usually only interested in interviewing BIG money WINNERS and BAD news if they can find it.
Try calling a TV station and ask them to send a crew to do an interview with an event director. Unless they are covering the event already, most won't be interested. Where were those cameras at the final weigh in? Covering some social disaster story like a local tavern closing or Anna Nicole or something. |
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| Denney, What more do you want to know?
Do high temps cause higher mortality of a fish taken into posession to be released at a later time?
Do tournaments leave a negative impression on the surrounding community after they leave?
Is it illeagle to waste a resource? Can a tourney director be fined for doing so?
What else can be done to insure that these fish are not "wasted"?
All are legitimate questions and have been asked many times in the past, The DNR needs to establish regulations that protect this resoure, this sport is growing and there are "tournaments" out there giving the good ones a bad rap, they are not doing a very good job of policing it themselves! There have been great strides made but these little hiccups continue to happen.
Claudia did the story and it was specifically mentioned that the most likely cause was the tournament, they have not heard back yet from the DNR if it was from something else. (does this mean they are testing these fish? I don't know) I'm sure you can call and ask her more about it. From what I heard there were 30+ walleyes floating on Tuesday could have been more could have been less but the number 30 was mentioned and the high water temps in the area were more than likely the cause. The story is not on their website.
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| Steve, who do you want to know? Your in sales, of all people you should know how to pitch a story to the TV, Print, and radio media? If not give me a call for your next event, I'll send you a news truck!
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| tyee - 8/15/2007 9:44 PM
No jabs are being thrown Denny! were there other events in this area this weekend? Just thought it be mentioned as I only know of this tourney up that way this weekend, it was at the Oconto launch I believe and the locals and reporters conveyed that it was more than likely from a tournament. The television Media reported it and not the internet media where many tournament people frequent. I brought it up only for people to realize that this is not the image that we need portrayed to the entire TV viewing audiance (average angler). If one person learns something from it then it will help all these (small local) tournaments establish better procedures to prevent this type of thing from happening in the future. In my opinion this should have been a KILL tourney! plain and simple! You tourney directors need to get these media people out to film the events and tell the whole story, These images of dead fish and tourneys being blamed is a sad truth and the whole story needs to be covered! You directors need to find a way to get in front of a camera before an event and promote your sport if you want it to grow!
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Tyee!
For as much typing as you do on the internet maybe if you altered your delivery your good points wouldn't be overshadowed by the fact you shout at people!
Is this how you talk to your customers!
You make some good points sometimes!
Also .. saying "you people" or "you tournament directors" or similar statements is rude and puts people on the defensive!
Just thought you'd like to know!
People don't like to be yelled at!
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Location: Oshkosh, Wisconsin | The news media rarely covers a PWT or FLW event, yet you think a simple call to the TV station is going to get them to come out and cover the SWC's event?
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| Point taken Dale, My articulation in print often gets shadowed by my thoughts before getting to my fingers!, I had no intention of shouting, and "you directors" should have been worded differently, I agree. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
Brad, I don't think it's that easy it has to be sold, a story has to be told that people WANT to hear, unfortunately they only hear the bad things as Steve said, If the sport is going to grow we have to use them where it counts.
I think these bits and pieces (of bad publicity) could be used as leverage when we really need coverage like a PWT/FLW etc. Just a thought.
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | At the current time I find it impossible to discuss this with you as I have not seen the video in which you are referring to.
HOWEVER, If you believe that I do not understand what kills walleyes,I.E.... referring to your statement that asks me if I had any more questions, well Rod, I think you have stepped over a line this time. Don't sit back and try to belittle me. You know damn well who I am and what I know. God knows it will never be as much as you, but I guess I know a fair amount. I will not argue tournament mortality with you. |
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| NBC26, one really shouldn't have to say anymore.
Personally I find NBC26 to be the worst news reporting station in the GB/Fox Valley area. They are the epitome of "dirty laundry" news storys.
With that said, I'd really like to see the video to get the real story and see how that reflects upon the Sheboygan Walleye Club.
Tyee, I've always sensed an anti-tournament sentiment in many of your posts regarding tournament fishing. Frankly it stinks, it stinks much like Rick Larson participating in tournaments and then stitting back and bad mouthing them.
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| Sorry Stacker I didn't mean to insult your inteligence, I brought it up for discussion ONLY not to insult or bash tournaments and what people here already know. The intention was to make sure everyone in the tournament world (myself included) would know about it so things could be done to help prevent it in the future. PERIOD.
Jayman, I am not anti-tournament and if you read that into my posts my writings are being misunderstood. I am however very much in favor of improving the sociological effect it has on a vast portion of the fishing community. We all know about the economic bennefits and the impact on the fishery. The Bass guys were all over this story and are defending themselves, I have yet to read anything anywhere about what could be done in the future to defend ourselves of these types of situations, my suggestion was catch and kill in warm water months, I'd like to know what you guys think? Sorry if I rubbed you the wrong way but even one 6 pounder floating after a tournament is WRONG and I will stand by that position.
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Location: Rhinelander | I don't think Tyee is 'anti tournament', he's just looking to see if there's a way or alot of ways to make them more palatable for those who are on the bubble or don't understand the tournament processes and stats.
Everyone has a vested interest in one way or another, so disagreement is going to be a feature in this discussion or any like it.
Mortality rates vary due to so many factors it's impossible to say EXACTLY what any one event might see. The entire debate last winter including the public testimony hearings with the folks from the DNR responding to the unfunded mandate from the legislature and the Jet Ski crowd was very informative. Bottom line is the actual biological impact of competitive fishing on Wisconsin waters is negligible to zero according to the folks who look at that stuff for a living.
So it's a matter of PR......
One way to loook at it...ANY fish that dies after release would have died FOR CERTAIN if it was a kill event. Many more released fish make it, but those the public doesn't see until THEY re-catch them and harvest the fish for sure. |
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| Shep - 8/16/2007 12:46 PM
I'm not sure, but I thought there was a pontoon boat with a tank to take the fish out of the river. I do know the river was a lot warmer than the waters out in the bay. I thought I saw like 8 degrees higher. If the fish were released in the river, that certainly could further stress those fish.
Anybody care to respond on if there was a pontoon boat used to transport the fish? I just didn't pay much attention to it.
Any weigh in in a river, when the fish are brought from the cooler bay, should have the means to get these fish back out in the cooler water of the bay. Not just dump them back in the river. I don't know where these fish were released, so I can't comment beyond that. I will give Chris G a call, and see if he will respond to this thread.
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | shep makes the point... its pretty simple ., though the river chanel is deep it is not cool.. you had a pile of warm water filling that river chanel from inland ... i know its nice to bring fish into a proteced river system or harbor for weigh in but it doesnt work when its july or august , stage the boats on the bay, i have a great well system in my boat , my fish most always are strong and spunky out of my well... then when put in a holding tank drawing water out of the warmer river or channel of a harbor that averages 4ft depth.. there will be a problem ,,, i always turn off my pumps and turn on my recurculation before i enter the water temp change.. soon enough we wont need a live well it will be all catch and kill at this rate ... all in all i think it was a good year.. there were very few problems with fish being lost... in 07 we dont want to get too wound up but we all want to try and minimize any problems or bad press... i dont know of a tournament angler or member of an organization related to tournament angling that doesnt do there best to take care of our resource and fish... i think when in doubt a fish should be put on ice and used for the table somewhere needy.. or after spending the money that i do fishing any one of these events big or small, i would love to keep my fish... as far as tournament anglers hitting town and taking advantage of the local resource for there benifit only ,, sit and spin... get a clue ,, you have the local and state government spending millions on bike trails and river walks , museums and harbors...tiffs for community development to draw in the $ ,,, why does everyone over look the guy pulling in with 14- 21 foot boat... taken for granted i guess. just because i have a hooded sweatshirt and jeans on doesnt mean my pockets dont leave a little lighter than when id drove up.. as far as the news coverage, the less they are involved the better... until tournaments start handing out a million dollars for first place dont expect thousands of fans.. that doesnt mean thousands arent following or reading about the event , as you can see there are plenty of us who cant get enough info good or bad for better or worse on walleye fishin.. thus somethimes the pot gets a bit stirred , by some once in a wile. |
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| Tyee, perhaps I am mis-reading your posts. I know you've fished a couple events, so you can see why I'd be compelled to call it out. Perhaps our standards are a bit different.
Since the subject is dead fish, perhaps all of Green Bay, especially the northern 2/3rds, should be closed or catch and kill? many of these fish are caught fairly deep 20-40' and sometimes even deeper. The water is much cooler at that depth and these big fish struggle once they hit the warm surface water along with the pressures on thier swim bladder. Every year I see a walleye or two floating this time of year on the central parts of Green bay, by some angler who was attempting to practice catch and release. While his behavior in my opinion should be applauded, others would complain.
Perhaps for another subject, but having seen many of the door county walleyes and knowing how much "work" they need to revived to be immediately released, it's no surprise that their are a few dead fish in a tourney. I wonder how many others spend as much time reviveing thier fish when just prefishing?
Now throw in the fact that when the bay gets a bit rough the bite gets better and there is gonna be that many more fish caught, and transported for a "long" ride. I say long compared to the short runs of an inland body of water. They get beat up some more in an already stressed environment. Yes, a few more dead fish.
Jealousy and negativity run deep in humans, especially some of those that fish. Surely if there is one or two dead fish, it'll be exaggerated into 10's and if it's 10's of dead fish it'll be exaggerated into 1000's of dead fish and that it was caused by this "______" group. It happens every year on 'Bago around June blameing tourneys. So what? is it a waste of natural resources? No, eat 'em. They taste good. Life goes on, there'll be more (that's why it is called a natural resource).
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| Jealousy like stacker, Bradley and Jayman....3 who like to force there own opinons on others. |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | 3 musketeers - 8/20/2007 5:18 PM
Jealousy like stacker, Bradley and Jayman....3 who like to force there own opinons on others.
Hahahahahaahahahahahahhhahahahahaa |
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Location: Rhinelander | Stating one's opinion is not 'forcing' it on anyone. If one doesn't say what one thinks and state an opinion, one has none. |
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Location: Potter, WI. | I fished the tournament. We went 35 miles one way. long rough ride. we did everything we could to keep these girls alive. Hard to do in hot, rough conditions and pulling these fish out of 20-30 fow. I would favor a kill tourney in these conditions. Not my call. It's totally up to directors to do the best they can to release live fish. There are a lot more fish put under the knife then die in a tournament. As Stacker said we didn't see the video. Or most of us didn't. I believe the SWC did the best they could to determine if these fish were able to survive or not. A kill tournament wouldn't hurt this resource as many of you know the bay and bago have a healthy population of fish. I believe and I think most others will agree only small percentage of these fish have ever been tapped. Just my opinion. |
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Location: Potter, WI. | What I meant is on the bay more so then bago as untapped. Bago still has some secrets.... |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | 3 musketeers - 8/20/2007 5:18 PM
Jealousy like stacker, Bradley and Jayman....3 who like to force there own opinons on others.
Also, most powerfull anon, tell me this, where is there jealousy in this thread? Boy, I guess you ...... |
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | 3 musketeers - 8/20/2007 5:18 PM
Jealousy like stacker, Bradley and Jayman....3 who like to force there own opinons on others. DARN SKIPPY IM JEALOUS,,,, Until now ! i finaly got my name mentioned on the internet ,, and am in a new CLICK too, sweet.. oh i guess im still a little jealous , my buddy calls me every morning from the lake to remind me im jealous, some often wonder who psssst on my cornflakes? well its my retired buddy sitting out on bago calling me with a fishing report , ya im jealous... oh well. sorry if i erk people sometimes , ALL FOR ONE, AND ONE FOR ALL! !!!!!!!!!!! was that the musketeers? or robin hood? oh who cares anyway , go packers. |
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| Bradley, you haven't passed initiation yet
"Jealousy and negativity run deep in humans, especially some of those that fish." My OPINION is: 3musketeers just made this a fact. |
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| Now I'm jealous. I thought I was the leader of the force your opinion group! I don't even get a whiff here! |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | A Whiff, hahahahaahahahaahahaa thats funny. |
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | im still missing something yet. this is going over my head? what do we three muskies stand for again? do we have an agenda? i may want out of this little men osha twa. what did i sign up here for? initiation? what kind of initiation? am i gonna end up selling flowers at the air port? |
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| am i gonna end up selling flowers at the air port?
Now there's a novel idea, except you could sell 'em at the boat ramp. part of the "Force Our Positive Opinion Down Your Throat Clan". hahaha |
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SWC battle on the bay.