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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | This was an innocent enough topic when it started out, but became more heated as it progressed. I did not copy the whole thing but added my 2 cents at it's end.
AndrewL
the other day a 13lbs 3 oz 31 inches walleye was caught in Devils Lake, ND. it was a big ol mama. the guy who caught it was using a pink jig with white twister tail and a minnow. caught in the channel A area.
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WoWWW. I'm afraid that would be a replica mount and returned if it was mine.
Mike.
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yeah that was a heated topic around some of the local baitshops. most of us said thats exactly what we would do. if we had people keeping their limits(5 fish) of 13 pounders then we would start seeing probelms. but theres a lot of educated anglers fishing these waters. Also Devils Lake is such a great fishery this lake is full of walleyes, you just gotta find them and get them to bite. this past winter we got into a lot of young walleyes. there were a few giants caught under the ice as well.
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Here's Capt. Dans new rules.
#1. No more shooting deer with less then 3 points on each side. #2. No more shooting bears under 250 pounds. #3. No more shooting Pheasants with less then 29 Bars on their tail feathers. #4. No more shooting jake turkeys, 8 inch beards or longer from now on. Anybody breaking these new rules will be considered by me as a person not caring about our natural resources. Kinda dumb huh?
Wadster makes a very good point. This whole debate always seems to boarder on personal opinions and when challenged, sparks more personaly directed anger then political arguments. While at it's core, the facts and parameters set on each body of water is based on scientific data, while being balance and dictated by the law. And we do little but degrade our own ranks when we hate each other over a bar set by our own professionals on the subject. Nobody can stifle or change what other feel about our own personal decisions concerning such matters. But being faithful to your own rules or inherited convictions, while within lawful parameters, should be good enough for anybody.
I've written to my DNR biologist buddy for his words of wisdom on the subject. When he gets back with me I'll post his scientific words of wisdom from our area on the subject. |
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Location: Rhinelander | If you think walleye anglers are a bit overzealous, look at Muskie guys...
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/board/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=42...
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | "We have met the enemy, and he is us!" The statement, coined by Pogo creator Walt Kelly, always seems appropriate when I read comments like this. Before you read into this too much, my feelings dictate that we as fishermen are too zealous in our attempt at telling others what they should do. Bottom line, if you are in your legal right and feel comfortable with your actions, go for it. Do not let others who are sometimes over reacting taint your views. We are at the top of the food chain. Our actions, if we are not abusing the resource are our own decisions. Keep your politics and knee jerk reactions out of the equation. Today's quote from Dennis Skurulsky: "It's only a fish after all". |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin |
Here's Capt. Dans new rules.
#1. No more shooting deer with less then 3 points on each side. #2. No more shooting bears under 250 pounds. #3. No more shooting Pheasants with less then 29 Bars on their tail feathers. #4. No more shooting jake turkeys, 8 inch beards or longer from now on. Anybody breaking these new rules will be considered by me as a person not caring about our natural resources. Kinda dumb huh?
Captain Dan, I think you have it a bit backwards.
They dont want you to harvest the biggest of the walleyes so the gene pool can live on. when that happens there will be more big walleyes that we cannot keep either. so why should they be able to harvest the biggest of other species? cannot shoot deer with 3 points or MORE, they will make more big deer like a gene pool of a big walleye so we can see more but cannot shoot. Turkeys, 5 to 7 inch beards only, bigger than that they will make more big turkeys. dont want to kill that gene pool.
After all, I have caught thousands of walleyes in my life and fished the best damn waters in the nation, AND,AND HAVE NEVER CAUGHT A 13# walleye. I would keep it as it is a milestone few will ever achieve. AND AND It would be my choice, not anyone elses. |
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | And I would support your decision to do so Stacker. Let's hope it happens
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | Thanks Sunshine |
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | You read my post wrong stacker. Cannot shoot deer with LESS THEN 3 Points per side. And a bear weighing LESS THEN 250 pounds or a turkey with LESS THEN an 8 inch beard. All these rules/laws promote trophys. Of course the point was that these were my personal rules, but why should anybody else live by them when the law allows for less standards. 
Edited by walleye express 5/3/2008 4:40 PM
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| Why is it that a Musky fisherman will release all Muskies but eat 20+" walleyes, keep a limit of 9-10" gills, 12" perch a 30" Northern, A walleye guy will keep similar but release all he thinks need to continue the gene pool, A Panfisherman will do the same, As will Deer, Turkey or Bear hunters that all have trophies in their choosen category but when they occasionally chase something out of the ordinary they keep these "trophies" as table fare or hang it on the wall. People always go to the back forty to hunt. Not because it is where the bigger game is but it is harder to get to so it is percieved that the chase is more valuable with the added work. Quality is in the eye of the beholder. The harder the chase the more value is placed on it when accomplished and as long as you are within your rights and no laws are broken why can't people let well enough alone and congratulate them on their great success. Is it Jealosuy or just hidden Envy??????? Conservation Management is for ALL people and the "standards" are vast, individual perceptions of "Quality vs Quantity are things to be considered when these rules are established and managed.
Good Luck
Tyee
P.S The bargin canoe with all the clearance baits at Scheels has some good deals in it...............but they are at the bottom.......I left satisfied!
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| Walleye Express,
I was unaware that animal/bird which had been shot could be released. Must be some new technology in the hunting industry.
As far as fishing goes, and like I said I think this is different than hunting, you can choose to release a fish which has been caught to live and play another day. I think most shot animals end up dead so no real release choice is available.
Unless i am missing your point entirely your metaphors seem not to apply at all. A more apt comparison based on your metaphor might be anglers who only choose to catch slot sized fish. Wait that seems kinda absurd ....
But like I said, maybe hunters can now choose to release animals they have shot like fisherman who follow a certain ethic choose to release certain fish they catch. I am just a fisherman and don't know for hunting so please correct me if I am wrong.
Finally, I don't judge the keeping or releasing for others. It's a fish. We all make our own choices based on our personal ethic.
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | Yup, you misunderstood it to. My standards might not be your standards, but none of it matters. Your opinions about or decisions to kill (in fishing) or let pass (when hunting) are strickly your own, and should not be forced onto or used to judge anybody else harvesting either fish or game when doing so within the law. Pretty simple stuff. 
Edited by walleye express 5/4/2008 10:38 AM
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | Dan
You said to shoot he bigger and I said to shoot the littler' things and save the big ones like the fish.
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| A few comments on keeping big walleye;
The largest walleye do not even enter the equation. More big walleye die of old age than anglers catching them. Keeping these fish for a trophy or the table will not create a negative impact. We should praise the anglers that catch and keep these fish, even the guides' clients if they want a trophy mount.
The upper-range big walleye; 10% of the walleye fishermen catch 90% of these fish, and of those fish, the majority of them are released by fishermen such as stacker. I encourage the weekend angler to keep these fish and enjoy them. On the other hand, it's up to us, the 10%, to release these bigger fish.
The only exception to this is the spawn. The local regs. take care of over-harvesting during the spawn. I've seen areas that had to be closed because of concentrating big fish.
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