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walleye express
Posted 8/11/2008 3:46 PM (#72414)
Subject: Cross your fingers for Herring.



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Been having some discussion on my Saginaw Bay fishing board about Lake herring. Their many scientific names, historic abundance and decline over the years in each lake, and their future as a forage and/or game fish, if any. Someone mentioned that they heard our DNR actually planted some this year in lake Huron. I ran with that ball and E-mailed my DNR biologist buddy. Heres his answer and a nice photo.

Some truth in those 2008 Herring plants Dan: 6,250 lake herring fingerlings (nice ones too, see attached photo) were planted in Thunder Bay here in Alpena. These fingerlings were the product of an experimental lake herring culture pilot project. For the last two years the DNR has been engaged in a pilot project to refine the culture and logistical details of lake herring rearing with the idea that we may someday (in the near future) embark on a larger scale lake herring stocking program.

The fingerlings that were stocked this year were the result of that pilot project effort. Understand that the goal this year was not to have a big plant, but to just learn better how to collect the eggs and do the rearing. Anything that got stocked was just frosting on the cake so to speak, for this year.

The pilot project is a success in that we are learning lots about how to go about this. Yes we had some poor egg fertilization rates, but that is how we learn to do this. We hope to have those bugs worked out this coming fall. Presently we plan another year of the pilot project (2008/09). The final decision to embark on a large scale reintroduction effort has not yet been made by the DNR. That will be taken up later depending on the results of the pilot project. Saginaw Bay is a candidate reintroduction location, partly because historically lake herring used the bay for spawning and nursery grounds. Remember that lake herring (also called cisco) are native to Lake Huron. There are still lake herring in Lake Huron today but very little in the Michigan waters of the lake south of the straits. The goal (if this ever happens) will be to reestablish a breeding population in these areas. This is not a put-grow-take concept, but rather a reintroduction idea. The hope is that lake herring would become abundant enough to serve as a viable forage fish for Lake Huron's (and Saginaw Bay's) predators. Lake herring too are a popular sport fish in their own right as well.





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Jim Ordway
Posted 8/11/2008 4:18 PM (#72415 - in reply to #72414)
Subject: RE: Cross your fingers for Herring.


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What is the current status of the current population? How does this realate to recent years? Is this another zebra mussle thing or predation from salmon or?
Take care,
Jim O
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walleye express
Posted 8/11/2008 5:13 PM (#72418 - in reply to #72415)
Subject: RE: Cross your fingers for Herring.



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That they even planted any was news to me. But I see their chances of taking hold as fair, since the alewives have left an open nitch in the forage base that they could fill in quit well. I've also seen a steady return of the mayfly on the Saginaw Bay since the zebras have cleaned up the water column. These little split tailed flies are a big part of the herrings diet and life cycle. I'd love to see them take hold again on the bay and maybe even create a new fishery. We used to take a week every summer to fish for them in Michigans U.P. They are delicious smoked or grilled.
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Shep
Posted 8/12/2008 10:56 AM (#72441 - in reply to #72418)
Subject: RE: Cross your fingers for Herring.



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Nano-Ultra light gear, Dan? Micro line in 1/20# test? How do you tie that line, anyway? And who makes hooks that small anymore? New lures coming out from Dave? Not Ka-Boom, but maybe called Pfft?! Do you go to the tropical fish store for your net? How long a handle can you get on those nets?
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walleye express
Posted 8/12/2008 11:04 AM (#72442 - in reply to #72441)
Subject: RE: Cross your fingers for Herring.



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We've caugth herring up to about 2 pounds and I've seen a few near 3. The whole herring catching process became pretty refined for us towards the end of the times we went up for herring. By then we had and used 16 foot fiberglass telescoping crappie rods and used tear drops with live mayflies that we would pick off a white sheet we laid out over night on our tents. Being white along with the retained heat from the tent over night seemd to attract them better. The mayflies would be thick on the sheet in the morning if they had a good hatch over night. We would then gentley (as not to scare the rest) pick them off the sheet by the wings and put then in a paper grocery bag. Then thread 1, 2 or 3 of them on the tear drop. Drop them down slowly the 16 feet to the rod tip and slowly lift it back towards the surface. You could get a hit going either way, but mostly lifting. As they were feeding on the emerging larvae as they floated towards the surface and became flies. You would then simply note at what depth you got your hit, as that was the depth they were feeding at at that point.

Edited by walleye express 8/12/2008 11:06 AM
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stacker
Posted 8/12/2008 11:07 AM (#72443 - in reply to #72441)
Subject: RE: Cross your fingers for Herring.


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Is everything OK Shep? Sound a bit off today. Or atleast confused. LOL.
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walleye express
Posted 8/12/2008 12:34 PM (#72450 - in reply to #72443)
Subject: RE: Cross your fingers for Herring.



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I think Shep thought the guy holding the herring was holding an adult fish versus a fingerling. You gotsta read the whole post Shep. Then understanding what you read comes in handy.

Edited by walleye express 8/12/2008 12:36 PM
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hgmeyer
Posted 8/12/2008 1:04 PM (#72452 - in reply to #72414)
Subject: RE: Cross your fingers for Herring.



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"Then understanding what you read comes in handy." Somedays, you need to type slower and use "little words". BBWAAHHHHHH

(Sorry Shep ... I am unable to control myself or ignore the little voices in my tackle box that tell me to do these things!)
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bradley894
Posted 8/12/2008 4:51 PM (#72461 - in reply to #72414)
Subject: RE: Cross your fingers for Herring.


thaught i was the only one that heard voices???????????? hmmm? cool!
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Shep
Posted 8/13/2008 9:34 AM (#72477 - in reply to #72461)
Subject: RE: Cross your fingers for Herring.



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I see now where fingerlings are mentioned. I never knew herring got that big. And I thought the creamed herring I got in the jars at Xmas-time were ocean caught. Where do those herring come from, anyway? I likes them alot!

This sight is a wealth of info. I feel smarter today. But then, I always feel smarter than Denny! For that matter, so do most folks I know!

Edited by Shep 8/13/2008 9:36 AM
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