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| Tyee do you not know that merc nationals reduced there limit to five fish for a copule years already??? WOW!! |
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| George, no I did not know that. I thought it was still 5 per person, that is great news if it is the case.
Bradley, here is the data from 2006 it is very similar to that of '07.
Good Luck
Tyee
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| So, in two of the largest walleye tourneys, 900 fish went to food pantrys. Another 500? were said to have suffered from delayed mortality? While I disagree wth that estimate, for the purpose of this discussion, I will go along with that. So, 600+ anglers killed 1400 fish, of which 500 maybe went to waste. The only number here that concerns me would be the 500 fish floating after those tourneys, and I can confidently say it was nowhere near that many. Some floaters, yes, but 500? I think you would have heard and seen reports of this on the local news. Besides, how many fish are tossed in the garbage during the annual spring freezer cleaning every year. I bet it's way more than 500!
I do think that the promoters of these, and any tourneys should make a big deal out of the donation of nonreleasable fish to the food banks. Provide info like who cleans them, which food pantry's they go to, how many hungry mouths they feed, etc.
And to be clear, I do not begreudge any guide who gets legal limits for his clients. |
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| I think Shep meant to say "1200 anglers (not 600) killed 1400 fish".... |
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Location: Berlin | I think what Shep meant to say was "just over 1200 anglers killed 1400 fish in 4 days".
This is equal to about 15 minutes on a sunday afternoon during the spring run by the locals. |
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| Yup, my goof. I was thinking boats. Just a fraction of the number that gets killed on an average spring day by the recreational anglers. And don't try to tell me they don't waste any fish. |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | I can almost see the spit flying from sheps lips as he say "...and dont tell me they dont waste any fish" hahahahahahaha.
There is one thing that is for certain, give the dinks nothing! The guys who want to shut down portions of fishing, or anything else for that matter, that do not pertain to there interests in that segment of recreation need to be very careful, because for now we have numbers to fight with against the dinks. However, when a segment is gone, there are less numbers to fight with and the anti-wolfs will circle and kill. Dinks = anti's.
I said it earlier, and I will say it again, The guides will be the next to get attacked. They help others to kill many more fish than tournaments. They use the resource in the same manner as tournaments and take many more fish and resources from the general public. The guide numbers are few and could be crushed relatively easy. If you dont think so......just see what they did just a few years ago with the federal water way and the captains licenses. That was master minded by greed from with in the guide society, one of there own promoted it. Live with the sword, die by the sword. Green is good, but don't get Gore'd!! |
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| Perspective:
In 2008, I estimate I filleted 100 walleye from the Winnebago system, and maybe another 25 were kept by people fishing from my boat. Find one other angler like me, and between just the two of us, we've killed about as many walleye as the Merc did.
It is beyond reason that anyone would think these tournaments do more harm than good. |
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| wow,,, now you guys are playing ball... tyee thanks for the report... conclusion in!, MERC and OTTER STREET Take 1200 or more local Experianced anglers off of the water (killing fields) in june for two weekends... the fish go back in for the most part and the rest go to feed the hungry... SHEP and the others are correct THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE COVERAGE OF HOW MANY FOLKS BENIFIT FROM THESE CLUBS CLEANING AND DELIVERING THE GRADE A FISH TO THE NEEDY! JUST THING OF FOLKS SITTING AROUND HANDING OUT THE CAN GOODS AND folks happy to get ahold of them but how big of a day it would be to have those tasty fresh caught walleyes? ohh boy.... i think we need to go to 100% catch and kill and feed the hungry! why not? costs the average fisherman a lot of money to chase those taisty buggers around the lake... somone should get to eat them! oh and lets keep running pipe-line into the marshes... let make bazilions and bazilions of walleyes and wipe out hunger in wisconsin wile we drive past the big windmills on the east shore with our fast boats to get those turbines turning and do our part to save the planet from ourselves... ! i like it! |
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| oh and speaking of the good hatch and good work our walleyes for tommorow and other clubs have been doing... DID ANYONE NOTICE HOW MANY 5 OR 6 INCH WALLEYES ARE IN THE LAKE? THERE EVERYWHERE!!! AND THERE MEAN AS HECK! THEY HAVE TEETH AND THERE EATING SWEEDISH PIMPLES ALMOST AS BIG AS THEY ARE! THEN YOU TAKE EM OFF THE HOOK AND THEY GO FOR YOUR TROAT LIKE A HOROR MOVEIE! WHEN YOU LET THEM BACK DOWN THE HOLE YOU CAN ALMOST HEAR THEM TALKING TRASH TO YOU.? ALL OVER THE DARN PLACE! GIVE IT A COUPLE YEARS BOYS.. WERE GONNA HAVE A HECK OF A TIME DOING ENOUGH CRAWLERING TO KEEP THEM FED! OH AND THEY ALSO TOLD ME THEY PREF LIVE BAIT TO THE FAKE STUFF BUT A NOUMBER 7 SHAD-RAP IN THE LAKE OR A BABY THUNDERSTICK IN POYGAN IS GOING WILL WORK... PLEASE NO GULP LOL.... |
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Location: Menasha, WI | Been catching those 5"ers like crazy. I have yet to have one go for my throat though. i'll be a little more cautious, thanks for the warning Brrdley  Great sign for the future. |
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | I haven't been following this thread until now, but there's a lot of great stuff here with many facts and lessons being learned.....great stuff guys!!! |
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| Folks,
I only posted the mortality because someone questioned my statements, I agree with all of you about what this means, how we feed the hungry, locals kill more fish, tournaments do not have a biological impact on the fishery...and on and on. and all that is good so don't shoot the messenger.
What it clearly shows to the uneducated "anti" (I'll refrain from the other insulting slang mentioned") is that we have work to do in improving our image. weather it be a kill tourney, better promotion of the way the dead fish are utilized, reducing bag limits, or going to a catch and immediate release format are all good things. by going on the defensive and claiming that we are better because we don't kill as many as the "average joe" seems like the hollier than thou approach and should be rephrased to include all the other good things we do in our message to the public as mentioned about better promotion of the food pantries etc..
Good Luck
Tyee
Viking, nice meeting you this past weekend, those 5"ers are everywhere and a sign of great things ahead for the Winnebago system.
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| Those 5 inchers are from last years hatch. And it looks like this year will be a repeat of last year. Two great hatches in a row. I can't imagine what this system is going to be like in 5-10 years! |
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Location: Berlin | Not good if this Thumper character ever learns how to catch a walleye. My God, he kills half as many walleye as Walleye Weekend by himself!  |
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| He's unteachable. I prefished with him last year before the Merc, and he couldn't catch anything! I think the walleyes are safe! |
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| Shep - 1/28/2009 11:32 AM
He's unteachable. I prefished with him last year before the Merc, and he couldn't catch anything! I think the walleyes are safe! AS somone who is also unteachable this brings up a nother interesting theory... Since we have all been pulling the Dumb fish out of lake winnabaggo for the past 20 years im finding it harder to catch them.. i think Geneticaly the fish are getting smarter with the dumb ones taken out of the spawning pool over the years... not easily tricked in the ice like the old days and not just roaming the lake in massive schools . smaller pods yes and sneaky... has anyone noticed this? we are getting pretty high teck with our 50 grand riggs and side finder sonar and cameras great looking crank baits and Gps coordinates for the hone holes... yet though i have plenty of table fair and trip over a limmit of Dumb ones threw the course of the morning it shouldnt be this much work... is it possible we are creating a generation of fish that know how to get threw the spawn run alive and live places and eat things that few anglers target? hmmm? |
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| Aww c'mon Bradley. You, unteachable?
You almost had all of the capital letters in the right places on your post.
That's HUGE progress!!
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Location: Berlin | Interesting view point Bradley and here is my take. We as fisherman with all our high tech gadgets sometimes over-think things. The other reason is the pure amount of baitfish. It has just been harder to catch a fish that can eat whenever it wants.
I have heard reports that the shad population is way down and the bite is considerably better then years past. I don't ice fish so I cannot attest to this but we will find out for sure in a few months. |
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| mrmodog - 1/28/2009 12:51 PM
Aww c'mon Bradley. You, unteachable?
You almost had all of the capital letters in the right places on your post.
That's HUGE progress!!
HECK IM 41 YEARS OLD AND MY WIFE STILL MAKES ME USE THOSE LITTLE CLIPPY BUNJI CORD THINGS THAT GO FROM MY JACKET TO MY MITTENS . STILL HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO BUT THE GOODNEWS IS MY BOSS GOT QUALIFIED FOR HIS TAX EXEMPTION AND WAGE MATCH FOR GIVEING ME A JOB SO THE COMPANY IS SOUND! |
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| What? the dumb ones are all getting caught?
damn that shoots my theory all to heck.......Bradley, they have brains the size of a pea.....don't over think it. |
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| Shep - 1/28/2009 11:32 AM
I prefished with him last year before the Merc, and I couldn't catch anything! /QUOTE]
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| hehehe
I'm getting hammered ny MoDog and Thumper today! hehehe |
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| Actually Merc had 310 boats last year and Otter Street had about 330-340 so you can add additional anglers to the equation too! I don't believe the kill was so bad in Otter Street tourney last year either. Speaking of Otter Strret, everyone should make sure to get to their Fisheree on Saturday Feb. 7th at Millers Bay in Oshkosh. This is a huge fund raiser for them and with all of the ice this year, it should be great! God knows they do enough for all of us fisherman whether we fish tournaments or are just a weekend warrior! Our system wouldn't be nearly as awesome as it is without this club!! |
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