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| What is a spoon slider rig? I read it in one of Walleye Express's posts. I'm curious what it is and how they work.
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Here on Lake Michigan, we use it in conjuction with downriggers.
You make a three foot leader, tying on each end a snap swivel. On one end goes the spoon, the other is snapped to the line of the rod that is attached to the release near the big lead ball. Then you just throw the spoon in the water.
If you can use your imagination to trace the fishing line leading from the rod tip, to the deep down where the line is attached ( to the release just above the lead ball). Somewhere in that stretch of line is a belly, where the line - being pulled by water as you troll - heads back to the release.
It is there that the slider will find it's place to rest.
And when you get bit on a slider, what a thrill. The rod bounces like crazy, and you must react as fast a possible to get the rod out of the holder. Giving a mighty jerk to pull the line from the release, then reel like a madman until you make contact with the fish.
Its Great Fun!
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | Originally written by Jayman on 2003-12-01 1:33 PM
What is a spoon slider rig? I read it in one of Walleye Express's posts. I'm curious what it is and how they work.
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Jman.
Rick was close, but no cigar. A spoon slider rig is just that. He's right about the 3 foot leader, but it is not attached to any release. On the Saginaw Bay we started using them last summer with great success.
You attach the crank of your choice to your mainline (mine is a Dave's Ka'Boom Winning Streak or Rattlte Tot. Above that 30" you tie in either a speed bead or barrel swivel to act as a stopper for the slider. You let out the crank to your desired length first. Then attach the 3 foot leader with the spoon to your main line and throw it in the water to slide down to the stopper. Then attach the main line to either your InLine board or your planer board line release and let them out to the desired length away from the boat. The spoon slides to the stopper and runs just above and behind the crank, allowing you to run two seperate lures on one line.
I also invented a thing I call a Spoon Slider Harness Rig last summer when just the plain spoons stopped producing. This rig saved my charter butt quit a few times in some tough conditions last year. I experimented until I found and combined all the components that produced a Spoon Harness Rig for crawlers, that will run as sliders in conjunction with and at speed up to 3.5 MPH withouth twists and tangles with your favorite cranks. I've made and packaged 100 of them so far for Retail sale next summer at Franks Great Outdoors in Linwood, near the Bay. If any of you are interested, want to see the pictures of this rig, or in buying any to try yourself, contact me and I'll give you a cut rate price. [email protected]
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Location: Plover, WI | W.E.,
I do just about the same thing with cranks + spoons, cranks + harness or even two canks using a 3-way swivel. Have you experimented with that? And if so, have you seen any big advantages to the slider rig over the 3-way? The only one I could see is the ease of not running the top bait if you so chose. Just interested in more open water trolling techniques, not questioning your system at all.
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | Originally written by carrocr on 2003-12-01 5:44 PM
W.E.,
I do just about the same thing with cranks + spoons, cranks + harness or even two canks using a 3-way swivel. Have you experimented with that? And if so, have you seen any big advantages to the slider rig over the 3-way? The only one I could see is the ease of not running the top bait if you so chose. Just interested in more open water trolling techniques, not questioning your system at all.
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Chad
Chad.
The biggest advantage using my technique is that you can both quickly and efficiently (WITHOUT TANGLES) let out the crank first and then let the spoon slide down to the stopping point before and above it. Wheras, letting out both together attached to the three-way is slower and risks tangles from the spoon falling into the crank. And I have tried using a deep diver and a shallow floater above it with success. A rattle Tot combined with a #13 rapala works well.
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Location: Rhinelander | Express,
Linwood, that's a familiar place. I was up there in that area alot when I worked for Skeeter. Are you going to offer these in any other retail outlets? Give me a call today if you see this at 715.362.1760. |
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| Thanks for the info, W.E.
I'd be interested in a pic of the lazy summer crawler rig. 3mph? that worm is crusing. |
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | Jayman.
Yup, he's a cruzin allright. There is a couple key things that keeps him and the rig from spinning out though. On the first hook in the harness, make sure you hook the crawler right in the beak/tip of the head. This keeps any extra hanging meat from creating a flap that might start it spinning. And the spoon versus the spinner blade wobbles and flips back and forth versus spins. I use light coated 7 strand wire for the harness and do double O rings and Bead swivels at each end of the spoon. The components are not cheap to buy. Cost me $3.28 each to buy and they are time consuming to make up.
I guess these could also be used at slower speeds on your mainline, off botton bouncers or any way one uses a harness. But I wanted something that worked as sliders because it's hard to troll slow in my 26' Grady White. And like anything else that works for fishing, it's all reletive.
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Location: Berlin | How do you attach the leader with the spoon onto your main line? I am assuming a small snap. Thanks alot for the great tip! |
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Location: Oshkosh, Wisconsin | I've heard of a number of guys doing this on 'bago the last couple of years. I tried it a couple of times, but always caught more fish on my regular blades. Might have been that I wasn't moving fast enough for the spoons to work properly though.
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | Originally written by Rich S on 2003-12-02 1:16 PM
How do you attach the leader with the spoon onto your main line? I am assuming a small snap. Thanks alot for the great tip!
Rich.
You wanna use something slicker than Moms home made butter? Buy some Normans Quick clips out of Bass Pro catalog. I use them for everything now. Attaching cranks, spoons, slider leaders, harness, ice fishing lures and anything else that I want to go on fast, won't open back up and be reliable. They are the best. I buy good quality barrel swivels 12 to 20 pound tested strength and attach the Normans to them after I get them. Buy the Normans Quick Clips that come in the pack of 50. Those are the right size for 90% of all regular fishing applications. |
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | Originally written by Brad B on 2003-12-02 1:25 PM
I've heard of a number of guys doing this on 'bago the last couple of years. I tried it a couple of times, but always caught more fish on my regular blades. Might have been that I wasn't moving fast enough for the spoons to work properly though.
Mind sharing what kind of spoons your using?
Brad.
You know as well as I do, that on certain days they want it slow and others fast. I can't even say for sure they will work on the waters you fish. I've built my rigs to work freely at slower speeds as well as fast. But it took me some experimenting to get them to do so. I called several spoon manufacturers who made the small 2 5/8 hammered spoon size I wanted to match what our fish on Saginaw Bay seem to zero in on. As well as be light enough (as a slider) to run above the crank used to get the whole set up down to where the walleyes are. Finally got a decent deal (in bulk) from the Fishlander Company in traverse City Michigan. www.fishlander.com They have over 100 different colors to choose from and the owner paints them as you order them. I'm attaching a couple pictures of my rigs with this post.
Lastly, I don't see myself becoming some giant of this industry over the making of these harness rigs. I'm just a charter guy looking to up my odds of catching some walleyes when they seem to be off the regular feed. And feel free to copy, build and use the rigs if you want to make some yourself. But, be aware the proper use and rigging of the rigs is also important in their working/fish catching ability. You will find out that the components are not redily available, and kinda expensive to make the rigs, but well worth the effort when you need something different to make those darn eye's bite.
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Location: Oshkosh, Wisconsin | Thanks Dan.
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