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| What would this do to the world of Walleye Fishing?
From ESPN/Bass Press Release!
Also new for 2005 are some updates to the BASS rules.
Under the new rules, professional anglers are not
allowed to gain any information about the fishery 30
days prior to the event; anglers will no longer be
permitted to obtain information about the tournament
water from their non-boater partners; and non-boaters
will not be permitted to take the pros to any of their
spots.
Since the non-boater will not be able to tell the pro
where to find fish, the off-limits for the non-boaters
has been cut from 30 days to seven.
"When we started the no-information rule, there were
doubters," Weldon said, "but since it was put in
place, we have yet to have one violation. The rule has
changed the mind set, with Tour anglers especially,
and raised the bar of professionalism of the sport."
Good Luck
Tyee
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Location: Combined Locks, WI | I believe the PWT and the RCL also prohibit the Pro from obtaining or going to spots the non-boater or amatuer provides. The Pro must make the daily decisions along with where and how to fish. The Amatuer also is prohibited from sharing the location of his first day pro. I believe that if the pro excepts info from his co-angler or amatuer he can be DQed.
The 30 day off limits or something similar to that applied to the PWT championship last year, not sure about this year or exactly how that worked though.
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | Crestliner:
I think that you are 1/2 right. I can remember Sonny Reynolds of the RCL saying that the non-boater could give info if it was their own. BUT once the info was given to the Pro, it belonged to the Pro. This information MUST be gained by their own first hand experience and not fishing with another Pro during the tournament. So, if the non-boater had been prefishing and found fish he/she could share this with their Pro ONCE.
I'm not saying that I agree with this, but only stating the facts as I remember them.
I like the BASS rules, it would eliminate this practice BUT I'm not sure how inforceable the ruling is?
I can remember situations when friends who were fishing as non-boaters witnessed unethical behavior and were afraid to report the situation. They did not want to be "black-balled" or put in jeopardy if being DQ'd. It was a tough call in their minds. It kind of works against why the boater/nonboater situation was set up for in the first place.
The following info is taken off the FLW web site for the RCL.....
There will be no official practice period or off-limits period prior to the pre-tournament meeting. No contestant may be on tournament waters for the purpose of locating walleyes or locating potential fishing waters after the pre-tournament meeting except during tournament hours. The purchasing of information or the hiring of services will not be permitted after the entry/balance date for each event (September 9, 2004 for the Wal-Mart RCL Championship).
Co-anglers who share their Pro partner's fishing locations with any other competitors will be disqualified along with the person utilizing this information.
Edited by Sunshine 10/6/2004 8:45 AM
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Location: Milw, WI | One would have to ask other than there word.
How could this be enforced? |
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | Sorry Rich,
My feeble mind is having a hard time interpreting your reply............... care to elaborate?
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| Better yet, how about adding a rule that each fisherman must rely on his own information and could only fish spots he/she personally pre-fished prior to the tournament. The angler would simply place his predetermined 5 or 6 spots weigh points in a sealed envelope and the results could be verified afterwards with crosschecking with his/her plotter.
It is difficult to compete against a team of 6 or so anglers working as a team, especially when each of these anglers are very talented alone. I think it would be much more sprting if every angler had to disseminate his own information and tactics. |
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | Amen............
I agree with ya' Rob. I have suggested the same thing in the past. The biggest arguement that I hear is what if your bite dies and you end up searching during the tournament. How do we combat this? I do recall getting a quick limit during a tournament and then going "prefishing" to find bigger and better. Is there a way to allow this and still prevent tailpiping or sharing info with team mates? |
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| What about the "teams" of anglers that work together, not necessarily prefishing a spot but rely on a trusted "teammate" to prefish the spot? this is happening in every level of competition not just the RCL. I think it becomes more imporant when you limit the time period for "practicing" such as the PWT, to allow these teams to work to gether that's how water gets disected and determined.
If you don't like that, better yet put 5 walleye in a 55 gal barrel for each angler and let them fish there barrel....errr...spot and the winner will figure out how to make all five fish bite?!?!  |
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| If it's a culling tourney you could have 6 or 10 fish in the barrel.....errrr.....spot?!?!
I'm sorry I gottta stop here or this could be to fun. hahahaha
Edited by Jayman 10/7/2004 4:12 PM
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | I know for a FACT that at competitions like the RCL or similar events when the top 10 or 12 make it to the semi-finals there are "team member” out fishing that day (who have already been eliminated) looking for new territory in case the pattern goes cold. Is this honest, ethical or allowed?
IS IT AGAINST THE RULES? Would you do it? Would you do it now, knowing that others are doing it and getting away with it? Can you look at yourself in the mirror the next morning and like what you see?
More importantly, how do tournament directors stop it? If they want to? Stringers and big fish are great TV coverage.
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| I don't know.....Honest?!?! If it's not breaking the rules it's not cheating, Correct? Ethical?!?! Some people believe fishing for money in tournaments isn't very ethical or sportsmen like.
Is that person a better fisherman for doing so? IF they end up with the big check at the end of the day. Some could argue yes, although at the same time I've jigged right next to people and watch them catch fish when I couldn't get bit, are they a better fisherman than I? It would seem so, but let's not forget the element of luck.
The old saying "you should of been here yesterday"....didn't evolve from the fishing being the good next day? So having teammates out searching for fish while day 3 weigh-in is occuring at the RCL Championship....doesn't insure success. I believe I know who you're speaking of.
Networking is a big part of tournament fishing, in my opinion, I have watched, I've seen and even participated in networking.....we all talk to our buddies for finding fish. Wheather it be tournament fishing or not.
Another fine use of information, is tailpiping, and no words need to be exchanged here......well, okay some words may be exchanged on the water But my point is, following a team that did well day one, doesn't necessarily mean anybody talked to each other for that to happen.
I think there are larger problems to be addressed in the tournament "world" than weather some teammates are sharing info during non-tournament hours.
Edited by Jayman 10/8/2004 9:38 AM
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Location: Milw, WI | We work as a team.
We stay together, we work off a game plan.
During prefishing, in the contest before the cut, but if we did not make the cut we give all info. to our team mate that makes it, or another guy we know if he has made it.( how good can t be we did not make the cut.)
There is no comuication between us during contest hours.
I do not think any of this cheating.
But this would be cheating.
To be on the water working for them after your out, would off the scope in my mind.
Do you not go fish the hot bite your buddy calls and tells you about?
I do , and I know a bunch of guys that love to hear from me when I am on fish.
To stop "teams" from working together may seam like a good idea, if you do not have a support network to help you out.
I guess it does look like a unfair avantage, from the out side.
What will you do when you leave the Merc, Nat. on sunday and have to fish Rcl starting that Wednsday 3 states away.
A new body of water you have never seen before, it is just a god send that they can show you to the good launch they have found.
Sharing of info. in your network of guys is the only way to think you have a shot.
Because if you get there at 6pm monday you have only tuesday, and a short wedsday to figure out a new body of water.
That was what happened this year, and as it happened the other guys were not on fish(so they say) when we got there.
If you look at the W.W. rankings can you see the 3 that work best as a team, I shure can.
Oh ya, finding good team members is hard to do, there have been many problems.
Buy the way I am mainly the trailer jockey for these guys.
During the contest thats all I do is put them in and pull them out.
Saves on ware and tear have unkowns driving your rig around.
And having to do all your prefishing alone in the boat can be a little boring.
Even for a team event such as MWC, to be fishing out of 2 boats instead of one,
get a lot more water covered during prefishing.
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