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Location: Rockford MN | I have been kicking this around for a while now! It is my understanding that the bay is a NO cull area, with a 3 fish per person bag limit. So here is what is bugging me! I have lets say 4 fish in the well and I land a 7lb fish which would be the biggest of my basket, so I elect to keep it. NOW the problem is I have 1 full limit in the box and 1 short of my second limit. By LAW I should now be only running 3 rods instead of 6 which of course I would do! I just have a feeling that others would not do the same! I have a feeling others would drop there smallest fish over board and stay at the 4 fish in order to run the six rods. I just get the feeling that with the money involved today and the fame that one can get by winning or placing high that some bad things might be going on out there.
I'm just wondering if anyone else has had these same thoughts? I see it so many times at NO CULL events where guys are coming in at the last Min. with a huge basket. I then watch the PWT and the guys are coming in a noon with there fish.
I'm fishing the MWC event on the bay, and got to thinking of this. I see that we can run 3 rods per man this year at the 2 WI stops. This kind of bothers me, why do we need to change the rules every year because of some bad apples? Alot of guys heard the rummors last year, so this year just suit these people? Gets me wondering what else is going on out there?
How can these things be policed on this big of a water way? |
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| Wisconsin is a no cull state, not just tournaments! |
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| Is that correct, 3 poles each at those two MWC events? Usually tourney's keep you at 2 poles each. Boy, that may make it a little crowded in areas where everybody has 6 boards out.
I've watched the weight-in of those no cull tourney's before and it always amazes me that all these teams come in at the last minutes and have a limit. I too would think there would be more teams weighted in earlier at these no cull events. Sure does make you wonder on how much culling may be going on. |
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Location: Lincolnshire, IL | Gordy, using your scenario, I would assume the tournament is allowing 6 fish in the livewell(a limit) and only allowing each team to weigh in 5. Therefore, a team would be legal with 5 fish in the livewell and running 3 rods(looking to upgrade)...certainly this team could show up at the last minute with a 5 fish limit and be perfectly legal...how often do 3 rods(or whatever may be legal) get pulled at local tournaments or regional team events when 1 limit is met? Good question. Obviously what the tournament directors should do on a body of Water such as Green Bay is allow 2 or even 3 rods per angler, make it a 4 fish per team weigh in and 5 in the livewell. The only way around your worries is to enter pro-am events... |
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| Great question! Attend the spring hearings this year as there will be questions regarding culling and who should have to pay for the (bass) tournament studies that are now required by law!
Good Luck
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | Gordy,
We all hope there is always a level playing field. Unfortunately there are always people who bend the rules and justify their decisions or actions. Some tournament series are notorious for certain people culling when it is illegal. I hate to admit that because it is the ugly side of tournament fishing.
All that being said, each one of us has to decide for ourselves what we will do in those situations. I made a promise to myself, my family and my God when I started all of this that I will always be happy with the person that I see in the mirror. I have been very fortunate that all of the partners that I have had through the years felt the same way. Character to me is doing the right thing when no one is looking. I know that there are times when I'm not on an equal playing field because some other people are not following the rules. I go on and so will you. Winning that way is too shallow of a victory and it would mean nothing to you or me.
I believe that for the most part we are very fortunate here on WF because the people here who I have had contact with at tournaments feel the same way.
Don't worry about the things you can not change in human character. |
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Location: upper michigan | Winning a tournament to me is not about the paycheck its about pride the fact that i earned the right to say i won. If i won by means that where not leagal there would be no pride in the win. Every time i talked about it the thought that it was not earned would haunt me and i could not live with that. I will always do the right thing and i will always play buy the rules. Winning is nice nice but being able to live with yourself is better. |
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| Gordy,
Look for the MWC to reduce the # of rods from 3 to 2 for the Green Bay event, to follow the Michigan state law of 2 rods per angler for the waters of Lake Michigan. The boundaries are huge for the event and as always, the anglers have to take some responsibility for following no cull, and rod limits. We are required to police ourselves and show sportsmanship and integrity.
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Location: Rockford MN | Thanks guys
I just wanted to get that off my chest! I really pondered making the post at all, but just wanted to here what others would think of it. I see guys think the way I do, and would never consider making a BAD judgement! I just hope that if infact someone does something wrong they are caught, and then made an example of! I for one love the compettion, but would also like a level playing field!
Thanks again guys this makes me feel better, reading honest people are still out there! |
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| I keep hearing people saying there are two Wisconsin stops. The central is Illinois, Wisconsin, and Michigan. I am pretty sure we will be fishing under Michigan rules and regulations and will need a Michigan license. I may be wrong about that but this is the way I see it. Also every tournament I have ever fished out of Wisconsin on the Bay of Green Bay has limited us to two rods each, and we have been able to weigh only 5 fish. |
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Location: upper michigan | you will need a wisconsin and Michigan License for this one. |
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| It would make more sense to me for the MWC to limit you to 2 rods per person along with weighting your best 4 fish and allow you to put 6 in the boat. This gives a team ample room to make judgement calls once a limit is reached. You'd have two open spots to play with. What are other people's thought? |
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Location: upper michigan | this tournament is held in july the limit is 5 walleye per person in michigan not sure what Wisconsin rules are. Michigan allows culling. So the fisherman are going to half to follow the rules of the state they are fishing in and the rules set forth by the MWC. |
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Location: Rockford MN | Here are the rules as they sent out to all the earlybirds!
Fish Limits:
15" and over
Teams are allowed to weigh a limit of 5 fish per team per day. Ther is also 3 fish per person limit; so the MAX in the boat allowable will be 6.
IF a team travels NORTH to the slot limit area to fish, the SLOT LIMIT would then apply to the basket they brought in, REGARDLESS of ANY fish caught in OTHER LOCATIONS.
NO MOER than 3 RODS PER PERSON at all times, including trolling.
Now maybe you can see the issuses I was pondering! If in fact you cross the boarder into WI which is only a mile away you have different State regs than MI. No slots in Wi and no cull, MI slots and CULL. |
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| Gordy, I can see now your concerns in your initial post, I think your right it might just open up Pandoras box but Dennis's reply is by far the ONLY way to look at it isn't it?
Thanks and Good Luck
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| The MWC will most likely change the rules before the start of prefishing......at least that is my opinion. |
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | Gordy,
Their rules break MI law concerning number of rods THUS I will assume that FishJB is correct and you'll be hearing about changes long before the prefishing. If I were you I'd hit their message board and post a question or just email Kristine.
Actually, I just checked their message board myself and saw that Rick Stange has asked the same questions............. no answers yet
Edited by Sunshine 2/15/2005 2:50 PM
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| This may not be right but I think the governing bodies of the tournament circuits have to gain permits to hold tournaments. Do those permits allow the tournament team members to fish together untill both limits are filled, or are they suppose to net their own catch because their partner has a limit and is no longer allowed to participate? I believe netting a fish would require a fishing license, and be considered fishing for that species, and you would be illegally fishing because you already have your limit. Does this make sense to anyone but me. Dan Palmer NPAA#345 |
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | In order to get a tournament permit, all that needs to be done is to file for it and agree to abide by the governing rules of that state. The permits do not get descriptive enough as to how many lines or how many rods. |
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Location: upper michigan | Michigan does not require a permit except for maybe the use of public facilities. I believe this is the reasone the MWC is going out of Menominee instead of Marinett so this is not a Wisconsin event it is a Michigan event. They will need to find rules that are universale for all waters it should be set as a no cull event with a max of 2 rods per angler. this would satisfy the laws of both states.
I posted some questions on the Masters Walleye Circuit bulliten board and included a link to this thread maybe we will get some answers
Edited by butch 2/15/2005 6:24 PM
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| All a tournament has to do is limit the number of rods to three for the whole boat. Then no one would ever be fishing with more lines in the water than legally allowed unless they were full up with two limits. I realize this is an odd number of rods to have, but it eliminates the unscrupulous angler from 'cheating' after 5 fish are in the box. |
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