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Location: Devils Lake, ND | AMEN!!!
I have made that same argument several times and no one seems to have a good answer. It will be interesting to hear (see) some views on this situation.
I love this board.
Edited by Johnnie Candle 6/16/2005 11:32 AM
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | You know, I'm starting to like this thread more and more.....especially when Shep included the part about "JERRY WINS"!!!!! Keep 'em coming!!! |
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Location: Berlin | You can create a scenario to condem or justify anything when it come to tailpiping. Johnnie has hit it right on the head. You can forget about the tournament directors on this issue because they cannot do anything about it. The fishermen need to take care of this problem and for the most part we do. We know who the tailpipers are and we deal with them accordingly. You cannot succeed in this industry alone. Once you start to get a bad reputation, that is where you will be, ALONE.
You have to be smart if you are on nice fish. It is a skill to keep your #1 spots secret. For example, lets say you catch a monster bag right away in the morning. The best place to go after that is the biggest community spot on the lake. Drop the net on any fish you get on. Let as many people see you there as possible. Second day comes and you and the tailpipers all go to the community spot. After 15minutes you make a retreat back to your #1 spot and get it all to yourself. You have to play the game. I am just glad I suck bad enough for people not to tailpipe me!
Edited by Rich S 6/16/2005 12:16 PM
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Location: Elgin, Illinois | Rich... I'm with you... the guy following me is not a tailpiper... he's an idiot!
I have a hard time getting any weight to the scale when I'm in a fish market... let alone out on the water!
Edited by hgmeyer 6/16/2005 12:58 PM
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| I fished with Rich prior the the Bago MWS this year. No way was I gonne tailpipe him! All we caught were some nice crappies! hehehe
Then he goes out and stumbles on the winning bag of fish. Sheesh! What luck! hehehe He is a master at hiding his good spots! At least from me! Time to get a new supply of dorsal spines.
And the Jerry would really be............ Well, I'll just let our Jerry bask in the glow for a bit longer!
I agree that the anglers will police their own, to a point. But there are extremes like what happened on Erie this year. Not sure what can be done about it. I do think more anglers are, and probably should be, more vocal while out on the water in calling this out when it happens. I did hear a few shouts during the Green Bay FLW this year. |
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | I think policing is up to the fisherman and only in extreme cases should it go to the tournament officials. I can say it and be proud to admit that I did some of this at the Green Bay FLW. My partner's and I were on good fish and they had it going, but I didn't. So, I did the next best thing: I played policeman and warded off a few tailpipers to the area we were fishing. On the first two days, it was just 4 boats. On day 3, we had some visitors who were told to leave. No verbal exchanges took place and those involved nodded in agreement and left.
I feel bad for the guy who works, on his own, locates a good school of fish, has a good day and gets intruded on after the first day. Wish I had an answer for this, as I'm sure it's happened before. |
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| I have been reading this and have to say I agree with pretty much everything Johnnie has said as I think he hits it right on the head. Never gonna gety rid of it so you have to do what you think is right much like he talked about doing at Bull Shoals.
Shep - You keep bringing up the FLW on Erie from this year and while I didn't fish it there are a couple of things that you need to realize that could have also come into play. Not saying that this means no one tail piped as I'm sure some did but the area you are talking about is a very well known area that tends to stay clean when the wind blows and/or clean up very quickly. It also happens to be one of the best known spots for that time frame no matter what the weather is. Just becasue the FLW was cancelled Thursday there were a lot of charters that fished that fished Thuirsday and I know first hand some that fished that area and did very good. If I can get that info about Thursday's catch on Thursday night then you know some of the guys up there got it also. Again I am not saying this makes it all better or OK just pointing out that there is some more to the story that "muddies" it up some. |
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| I know where they fished, and it wasn't the area NE of Kelleys. I've fished that lake for almost 20 years, know a couple charter guys very well, and we got some info from them over the weekend. And yes, the charter boats and other fishermen were out on Thursday, even after the tourney boats were called back at noon, or whatever it was. No matter, 70+ boats didn't all of a sudden didn't gain this info over night Thursday on their own. But as Johnnie said, it didn't really matter, because even as they fished that area, they didn't have the right presentation to affect the outcome. Some did get in the way however.
Edit....I should say, it didn't affect the outcome of the winner. Some other placings may have been affected.
Point remains that tailpiping is a serious issue in my opinion. And the plain fact is, some tournament anglers are not as concerned with ethical behavior, or their reputation as others. Some are just not as honorable or ethical as others. And until something is done, whether by tournament directors, or sponsors, or perhaps the NPAA, or other anglers, they will continue to behave this way.
Just like the championship at Red Wing in 2002. Not many boats at Buffolo Slough on Wednesday. Word got out, and over 75 there on Thursday. All stacked on top of each other. It was a sight to see Gofron and Martin pull those fish out from some of those other boats crowding them! Now, I'm sure most of the guys prefished Buffolo at some point. But it's obvous they had other Plan A's that didn't pan out on Wednesday, and went with plan F on Thursday.
Also, I think that continuing to go to new lakes is good for this. It eliminates the community spot arguement. Even on the biggest lakes that have been on the ticket for many years, there are community spots, and one can always use that as justification.
Edited by Shep 6/17/2005 8:28 AM
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Location: Rockford MN | Boat following will never stop! Don't look to the NPAA do anything about it! The Co. anglers need to police the Pros but with the amounts of money they stand to gain and the fact that they would get "Blackballed" they just grin and bare the dishonest happenings out there. Some guys will do anything for the spotlight others will play by the letter of the rules and some will just play as TRUE sportsmen and do the right thing at all times!
Looking over the rules and finding loop holes is NOT being a true sportsmen! In one sentence they tell you to follow the rules then in the next sentence, to be ethical sportsmen! Somewhere somehow people got the ME ME gets you a head in this game! WE need some of these sponsors to put there foot down hard on these guys and give that deal to the true sportsmen and gentle in the game!
ONCE a rules strecher or cheat or boat follower always one! |
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Location: Chilton, WI | The word on the east shore is that a well known fisherman from this side of the lake tried to bump up his weight in the Merc by adding a few ounces of lead to the fish he weighed. Saturday the tourney officials found a 3/8 oz clip type of weight in the bottom of the holding tank. They had it narrowed down to a few teams and they checked their fish on Sunday and found some weights clipped on to the fish somewhere around the gills. Has anyone else heard about this?
This guy has always faired pretty well in some of the local tourneys and also some PWT and RCL tourneys. It makes me wonder how long he has been pulling this off. Props to the Merc officials for busting this tool.
I think when something like this happens these guys should be put on some sort of list made available to other tournement directors in effort to black ball these guys from as many tournements as possible. |
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| What I heard was that this team clipped weights to the bottom fin in order to keep the fish upright to help keep the fish alive. Appearently, they "forgot" to take them off. I will say that there definately was a problem with fish dying for the tournament. |
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Location: Chilton, WI | Chip, if that was what happened that sure was a costly mistake. But forgetting two days in a row? You think one of them would have remembered with all that money and their reputation on the line. If it was indeed clipped on the fin and not hidden they might have a case. Whatever happened I hope the truth comes out. |
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| I think this is a pretty common practice to keep your fish vertical there are many devices out there for this specific application. I don't know the circumstances and rules at Otter Street regarding this (although I think there is a point when you turn your fish over to them to inspect to see if they are alive), should they not then be responsible to catch this before it makes the scale? It should have been quite obvious, is it defined as to what the penalty is or what happened to his weights? It sounds like this may have been a costly mistake had he forgotten to take it off although I have heard others accusing him of cheating and in this case that is just wrong. Unless of course I am missing something here!
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Location: Chilton, WI | There is a zero posted for his weight on his second day so I don't know. |
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| I also heard that they found three fish with weights on them when they cleaned the dead fish on sat. There is no way to know whether this was done intentionally or as an honest mistake. I just hope for the sake of this individual that it was an honest mistake. |
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| There basket was not weighed on Sunday. I personally don't think this was a honest mistake of "just forgetting". Not two days in a row, but we have no proff of whos fish it was on Saturday either. On Sunday all fish were checked in the first tank they were dumbed into. Some pretty fast talking was then started!! |
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Location: Appleton wi | ok i cant take it. Who was it? |
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