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walleye express
Posted 8/25/2006 3:13 PM (#47107)
Subject: Capt. Dans Meat Freak is here?



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Boys and girls Ol' Capt. Dan has been busy all day experimenting. With what you ask? Well, I received my samples of Dave's new Ka'Boom Streak Freaks this morning in the mail and immediately got an idea about how to customize them.

You may have noticed in a few of my posts this summer that I have been catching quit a few walleyes when placing a piece of nightcrawler on the belly hook of the crankbaits I've been using. This added weight doesn't seem to change the action, the dynamics or give any Nil effect on the cranks action. And having both scent and the attraction that nightcrawlers naturally have, along with a crankbaits appeal, puts this duo in a win-win situation when teaming them together.

Well, when I seen and got to touch Dave's new cranks this morning the wheels started turning hard in the Ol' Pumpkin, so I removed the tube on the back of these new lures, and set to work fabricating something that would work with a crawler in its place. I tried several ways all day, and would run out to our pool at every attempt, hook on a real crawler and drag him at about 3.0 MPH (I estimated) through the water. Nothing seemed to be working, as the lure would either flip over, track sideways or spin when the crawler would stretch or get slack from the warm water. I finally hit on the working equation using #2 sleeves and wedging the first hook against the crank itself so it would stay straight up and down and in place. And what I got was one awesome looking rig in the water. Here's the pictures of the finished product.




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JAKE
Posted 8/26/2006 11:53 AM (#47114 - in reply to #47107)
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hey, that just might work. if it catches fish, it's a beautiful thing. does dave give you a bonus for r&d?
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walleye express
Posted 8/26/2006 2:36 PM (#47115 - in reply to #47114)
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JAKE - 8/26/2006 12:53 PM

hey, that just might work. if it catches fish, it's a beautiful thing. does dave give you a bonus for r&d? ;)



Thank's for the post and that specific question Jake. As I know some people wonder about my motivation in some of my Frankenstein inventions.

I've been honored to have been associated with the Storm family now for close to 22 years. They always treated me more than fair, listened to my suggestions concerning their products, and we both reaped the rewards in our own capacities during and because of this partnership. I've always been a non-paid participant (as pro-staffers usually are) of fine tuning, suggesting and/or creating several variations of their lures back then, and am so honored and motivated with being associated with Dave in his new business now.

I don't feel I could ever re-pay Dave's Dad Bill or the entire Storm family for all their support of me when I was starting out in the Guiding/Chartering business back in 1984. And one of my personal passions as you probably know, is tinkering with, creating and customizing existing lures to these (outside of the box) ideas and how to successfully use them when fishing. Its always my hope and goal that my modifications help sell more of my pro-staffer product, and in the process catches the people buying or modifying them more walleyes. Good fishermen recognize the difference between lures that simply look good and lures possessing the dynamics likely to catch fish. When and if all these things come together, everybody wins.

Edited by walleye express 8/26/2006 2:40 PM
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guest
Posted 8/27/2006 8:50 AM (#47121 - in reply to #47115)
Subject: RE: Capt. Dans Meat Freak is here?


you think one of those 2 hook hooks would work under the belly? and do the trebs ever come loose during trolling?
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walleye express
Posted 8/27/2006 9:05 AM (#47123 - in reply to #47121)
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guest - 8/27/2006 9:50 AM

you think one of those 2 hook hooks would work under the belly? and do the trebs ever come loose during trolling?



The trebel under the belly already is free floating, and has never come loose or been lost in my experiences. And I guess you could remove it and replace it with the double hook harness I attached on the back, and hook it in as a free floater on the belly eye ring. That might not be a bad idea, as it has the same principals as what I was doing prior to Dave coming out with the Streak Freak. But with that much added weight to the belly section, it might ruin the swimming dynamics of the lure and make it into a simple diving device versus a swimmer. We used things/lures simillar to that idea when Hot-Shotting for Salmon with an egg sac attached to a leader line, that in-turn attached to the belly eye ring of certain lures. The nice thing about this set-up is that even if you loose the crawler, the lure still has fish catching qualities and abilities.

Edited by walleye express 8/27/2006 9:15 AM
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guest
Posted 8/27/2006 9:45 AM (#47125 - in reply to #47107)
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dan, i meant a 2 hook hook. like a treble with one hook taken out. under the belly. think that might work? either way the setup looks great!
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walleye express
Posted 8/27/2006 12:35 PM (#47126 - in reply to #47125)
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guest - 8/27/2006 10:45 AM

dan, i meant a 2 hook hook. like a treble with one hook taken out. under the belly. think that might work? either way the setup looks great!



Heck yes, it would work.

Might even create less water drag and/or deflextion, as those two hook hooks always lay away from the crank unless hooked weedless "Bass Style", and hit and chip the crank far less than a 3 gang hook set-up does. Good thinking.

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budsbud66
Posted 8/27/2006 3:28 PM (#47129 - in reply to #47126)
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what is used to connect the harness to the crank? ive been looking to purchase pretied snells with clips.. the ones i made work but i cant seem to get a short lead between the hook and the connection.
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walleye express
Posted 8/28/2006 8:50 AM (#47139 - in reply to #47129)
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budsbud66 - 8/27/2006 4:28 PM

what is used to connect the harness to the crank? ive been looking to purchase pretied snells with clips.. the ones i made work but i cant seem to get a short lead between the hook and the connection.



I first tied the 2 hook harness and spaced the hooks where I wanted them. Then I simply put the #20 vanish line through a #2 sleeve and then through the eye on the lure. Then past the line back through the Sleeve, pulled/jammed the hook tight against the lures eye by pulling on the tag end of the line and pinched the sleeve twice with side cutters. Then trimmed off the excess line tight to the sleeve. I hope that makes sense.

Edited by walleye express 8/28/2006 8:52 AM
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JAKE
Posted 8/28/2006 8:33 PM (#47158 - in reply to #47115)
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thank's for the history dan. i've always been patial to the original hot n tot. the last couple of years i've gravitated to adding live bait to some of my offerings. a common friend of ours, cap'n rick, introduced me to the benifits of adding a piece of crawler to hard baits. looks like i'm going to have to pick up some mean streaks before i switch back to cranks for the fall.
thanks
jake
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walleye express
Posted 8/28/2006 9:22 PM (#47159 - in reply to #47158)
Subject: RE: Capt. Dans Meat Freak is here?



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JAKE - 8/28/2006 9:33 PM

thank's for the history dan. i've always been patial to the original hot n tot. the last couple of years i've gravitated to adding live bait to some of my offerings. a common friend of ours, cap'n rick, introduced me to the benifits of adding a piece of crawler to hard baits. looks like i'm going to have to pick up some mean streaks before i switch back to cranks for the fall.
thanks
jake


Only one difference jake, the lures I modified are Freak Streaks. I looked at the Mean Streaks for this same modification possibility, only because they come in so many different colors. It would be a Major task, and you would have to totally destroy the back end of a Mean Streak versus the easy removal of the split ring that attaces the tube to the Freak Streak. Plus with the Freak Streak you can simply keep the tubes you remove to convert them back if need be.
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Jack Dunn
Posted 9/4/2006 7:26 AM (#47285 - in reply to #47159)
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Dan,

Years ago my dad and I used to troll the old X-4 Flatfish with a piece of crawler on the front hook for walleyes. That was a pretty good bait, and we caught plenty of fish using them. A couple years ago I came across a few X-4's at a garage sale and tried to modify them much the same as you are these baits. They had a real nice action to them. The reason I'm bringing this up is that you might want to try a couple with harnesses tied with something more pliable than the steel snell material you are using. As stiff as it is, it will probably greatly reduce the swimming action of the crawler going thru the water.

I know you deal with catfish and zebra's all the time, and that is why you use the snell material, but you might be pleasantly surprised if you try a few with a heavier mono or "super" line material.
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Skeeter
Posted 9/4/2006 7:42 AM (#47286 - in reply to #47285)
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By adding a long harness to it Jack will take away the dual purpose of the bait. What I mean is the way Dan has it if the crawler is gone its still fishable. We have run harnesses behind hard baits for years on the bay. Great idea though. Skeeter
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walleye express
Posted 9/4/2006 1:30 PM (#47289 - in reply to #47285)
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Jack Dunn - 9/4/2006 8:26 AM

Dan,

Years ago my dad and I used to troll the old X-4 Flatfish with a piece of crawler on the front hook for walleyes. That was a pretty good bait, and we caught plenty of fish using them. A couple years ago I came across a few X-4's at a garage sale and tried to modify them much the same as you are these baits. They had a real nice action to them. The reason I'm bringing this up is that you might want to try a couple with harnesses tied with something more pliable than the steel snell material you are using. As stiff as it is, it will probably greatly reduce the swimming action of the crawler going thru the water.

I know you deal with catfish and zebra's all the time, and that is why you use the snell material, but you might be pleasantly surprised if you try a few with a heavier mono or "super" line material.


We also used T-4's and Lur Jenson Hot-Shot as divers, tied off a 3 foot leader to the belly hook #14 test, then a glob of spawn on a #6 trebel for Kings. But actually the stuff I used on these is #20 vanish mono. Its the shadow in the picture that makes it look like it has a wire core. I'm going to give these a try Wednesday if the winds stay down. They're catching some fish in the slot today on Deep 14 Rapalas. I've had the garage radio on all morning.

Edited by walleye express 9/4/2006 1:42 PM
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