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Member Posts: 625 Location: LaCrosse, WI | I attended the hearing tonight and was shocked at what I saw. There were a good number of Bass anglers but only 3 Walleye tournament anglers including myself and my father. Come on you guys, if you want to help with this cause you better get yourselves to these meetings. This poor turnout is absolutely ridiculous. Show up, or don't even consider complaining once when you loose something because of these rules. I guess now I see why the FLW doesn't bring the Walleye League to LaCrosse. I would like to thank Mark Dahl for showing up and giving the NPAA some representation. | ||
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Member Posts: 625 Location: LaCrosse, WI | As a side note, I was told last night by the MC for this hearing that they had not heard any comments before last night about species specific tournament regulations. We asked why they don't say you can have X amount of Bass tournaments on this body of water and X amount of Walleye tournaments on it. A lot of representatives of local ice derbys were there to express that they would not be able to afford the high permit applications. It would in essence kill all of their profits. Another thing that came out of this was, the Mississippi is allowed 4 tournaments per month per pool. However, any one tournament can cover up to 3 pools, (one tournament counts as 1/4 of the monthly allotment for 3 different pools). Also, Tournaments held in Minnesota that allow anglers to fish Wisconsin waters would also count against the 4 monthly tournaments. Be sure to bring these things up, they are only counting testimony's and written comments as a real show of support. Signing your appearance slip doesn't really show a whole lot to them. Make a statement, any statement. We all count. | ||
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| walleye express |
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 Member Posts: 2680 Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | There were a good number of Bass anglers but only 3 Walleye tournament anglers including myself and my father. Rookie, I got a question. Are the Bass and Walleye anglers goals the same in this thing? That is, are both user groups looking to accomplish the same things, or if not, how does/would NR20.40 apply differnetly to each? I know having a wide spectrum of business people, anglers and the public at these meetings could only help the cause, but was curious rather the regulations purposed and the purposed restrictions for each user group would be the same for both. Edited by walleye express 11/3/2006 7:48 AM | ||
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Member Posts: 625 Location: LaCrosse, WI | I think that these regulations would be crippling to Walleye tournament anglers in Wisconsin. The biggest reason would be the loss of the FLW events in the state. We currently only have one real solo Walleye fishing tournament circuit in the state. If we lose the FLW Walleye League in WI we will all be forced to fish team events. I don't have any problem with team events, however it's awful hard to advance to the next level without the solo accomplishments. Another thing that will probably come from this is the amount of tournaments allowed on the Mississippi River. Pools 5 and below will be allotted 4 tournaments per month (that includes all species). Each tournament can be held on up to 3 pools. Each of those pools will be charged with one of their monthly tournament permits. This means that Bass tournaments will likely dominate the vast majority of Mississippi river tournaments. "Traditional Tournaments" will also be given priority. This means that a local bar that has 30 boats in their annual carp tournament will instantly get permits for their pool and the pools directly above and below them. These rules are not species specific, and this will really affect bodies of water that hold tournaments for more than one species. This is not a concern for the Mississippi only, it’s a concern for any body of water of less than 10000 acres. Another interesting thing is the response to local ice derby organizers. They fear that the high permit application charges will effectively kill all or most of their profits. A 200-person ice tournament that charges $1.00 per entry would likely loose money after paying the high application fees. I do think it’s critical for Walleye anglers to get to these meetings and be heard. If we want the luxury of a circuit like the Walleye League, we need to voice our concerns. I feel that this affects us every bit as much as Bass anglers. | ||
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| Shep |
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Member Posts: 3899 | Get to the meetings, but also contact your state reps, and the candidates. Find out how they satnd, and let them know we will not vote for them if they do not oppose this bill. I have contacted Mark Green already. Am waiting to hear his response. I'm sure I know Doyles position, but will try to get his answer, too. | ||
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| I read the proposal, and my biggest question is, why is there such strong opposition to this bill from tournament anglers? | |||
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| GNWC Rookie |
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Member Posts: 625 Location: LaCrosse, WI | I think that most tournament anglers will agree that some form of regulation is needed. However, the proposal offered in NR20.40 can be very restricting. The biggest issue that most Bass anglers have with this bill is the amount of time this proposal would take away from them each year. Most try hard to not hold tournaments during spawning times. That is usually April and May that would leave June open to tournaments. July and August would be catch and kill events (there are very few Bass tournament circuits or anglers that will participate in these events), then you have Sept and October. In essence, this cuts the Bass tournament season down to 3 months of the year. For Walleye guys, one of our biggest issues is, the allotted number of events per body of water is not species specific. Look at my Mississippi River example above. There is potential for all tournament dates to be given to local bar tournaments, or to only Bass tournaments, or to Carp tournaments, etc. A body of water like the Mississippi should be looked at on a species by species basis. As mentioned above, the local ice derbies that go on every year are in major jeopardy as well. How many of them can afford to spend an extra $225 for a permit application? One of my main concerns with the whole thing is, who will be answering all of the questions asked by tournament organizers, local businesses, bait shops, anglers, etc. I hope it's not wardens or fish biologists. I feel that we need these people on the water to help catch poachers (regardless of what kind of boat they're in). In all, there are many reasons that many people are upset about this. Many people are upset that there isn’t any real scientific data to back up the new regulations. Regardless how you feel about the regulations, I encourage everyone to get to a meeting and voice their opinion. Do it now while you still have a chance. | ||
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| tyee |
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Member Posts: 1406 | Shep, I had lunch with Mark Green last week and went into some in depth discussions regarding this, don't look for him to be of any help untill after the election, I will be meeting with him again after that. Give him your vote on the 6th he's on our side! Good Luck Tyee GNWC,The biggest issue with the Bass guys is that they can not sort/cull! Thats the jist of it! Edited by tyee 11/3/2006 1:39 PM | ||
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| I think you are a little narrowly focused in your analysis of this proposed bill. The reasons are both scientifically and socially based. The reason they are not species specific is that a tournament impacts normal recreational use of a public landing or body of water regardless of the species involved. Ask pool 4 fishermen if the tournament situation is getting out of hand especially on the bass side of things. You can't even go out and fish on the lower end of pool four any more, because there is either a tournament, or prefishing for a tournament, going on. There are many who enjoy tournaments that think the proposed regulation is a good thing. As far as the fees go, if you can't afford 250 bucks for a permit then should you really be attempting to run one in the first place ? | |||
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Member Posts: 625 Location: LaCrosse, WI | You ever heard of a fundraiser? I guess the local association that supports taking disabled people out fishing should spend over half of their annual ice derby proceeds for the chance to hopefully have an ice derby. If you read the first paragraph of my last post, I say that many agree that regulations do need to be set. I personally could handle the amount of tournaments allotted per body of water, but I don't like the way that they are going to be just given to a bar tourney without any decent live release equipment instead of a national circuit because they've had their tourney for 4 out of the last 5 years. I think there has to be a set number of tournaments per species, or some species will always be left out. There are probably 10 times as many Bass tournaments than there are Walleye tournaments in my area on the Mississippi River. “Traditional Tournaments” will likely take half of the monthly tournaments. That will leave everything else in a lottery. That will likely make the chances of having a Walleye tournament on the Mississippi River very slim. Every Non Traditional Tournament will likely be in a lottery for two slots. One other big issue I see is the fact that tournaments based in Minnesota also count against the Wisconsin tournament allotment (if anglers can fish WI waters). I guess that means that Wisconsin may not ever be allowed to hold an event on pool 4 because any MN event that allows fishing the main river will count. As for the public landing issue, I will agree to a point. However, I think that a decent regulation would be what landings could host events and which couldn't. I think controlling this would help. Sign in and become a user. It helps bring a little legitimacy to your arguments. For all I know you could be the leader of the local PETA chapter. Let us know who you are, I for one am proud of my beliefs and where I stand on these issues. Marshall Wuensch | ||
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| Sunshine |
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Member Posts: 2393 Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | Marshall, My hat is off to you. You try to state the facts in a very professional way. Stick to your guns and do not give up, even when you have to continually explain the same thing over and over again for those who refuse to listen. Why, You mention that the bill is both scientifically and socially based. You give your reasons for the social reasons and it’s evident that you would prefer that others not fish your waters. Can you explain the science involved? I think you’ll have a hard time especially when the DNR admits that the “catch and kill” has absolutely no scientific backing. Can anyone show me the analysis of any scientific data that was collected by the DNR to support ANY of the changes? These are all social issues. I did not think that the DNR was in the feel good business for small groups of people. If you direct me to the bass kill on the Black my reply will be: “who really was responsible?”. Those pens were too small and the DNR knew it. Tyee, You scare me man! Voting for Mark Green? I won’t even go there. I’d break my vow of not getting into politics on these sights. My only comment is ask any teacher who they think is best for education. Or better yet, give me a call. | ||
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| hgmeyer |
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Member Posts: 794 Location: Elgin, Illinois | One thing in the "social" analysis that keeps coming up.... The impact of tournaments on the "locals"... Okay, so what is "local"... 10 mile radius... 100 mile radius... Now, IU know I am not a local... I've been referred to as a FIB quite enough times to now be aware of my "place"... But, on Winneconne, Petenwell, Winnebago and Green Bay, I look at the hometown of the fishermen and I seea lot of what look like local addresses to me... Seems to me a lot of the congestion complained about is cause by the "neighbors" who enjoy fishing in tournaments. Next, I have certainly tried to be a good guest, always paid my way and patronized local businesses. I park in the designated areas pay my launch fees (even when there is a higher fees for Non-Residents...LOL). I pay for my non-resident license... So, what am I doing that is unacceptable, disruptive or illegal. Nothing. What I am doing, I am fishing in a boat that has an Illinois registration at a time when others are intentionally gathered at the same spot to enjoy fishing together. They also happen to be willingly committed to catching less than the two limits allowed to them by law.... and even at that, they are committed to releasing the fish back to the water at the end of the day. Still, there are people who do not want me and the others there that day. Why? Well, the answer to that lies in some xenophobic concept that it is a "us versus them" kind of thing. Them, being the ones not competing, but filling a cooler with fish... fish for the freezer. Certainly some of them will remove the one, two, or three limits of fish from the water that day (or would if they were good enough at fishing to do so) depending on how many are in their boat... An earlier post mentioned the lower end of Pool 4 and how a local has to contend with congestion every time they go out... Well, same story here for us who are "local" to the Spring Valley/Utica area of the Illinois River... its a good fishery, it attarcts crowds... Same with the Wolf River, Winneconne, Poygan, Butte De Morts, Winnebago area... it too is a good fishery... Same story on the Chippewa flowage in the summer... And, on and on... Fishermen will hear about a good bite and good water and they will show up... Ban tournaments alltogether.... And, you will still have congestion on the lower end of Pool 4, the Illinois River at Spring Valley, etc.... The difference will be.... A lot fewer guys fishing will release their fish... Yeah, justy ban them, period, and a bigger piece of the puzzle will be clearly visible in "hindsight"..... the economic impact. I'll still buy a non-resident license... But, for sure I won't be spending 5-6-7 or whatever "thousands" of dollars that I spend in Wisconsin for my hobby. And, neither will hundreds of other guys. It won't be an immediate precipitous drop but there wikll be a drop. A few less Mercury Motors, Lund and Tuffy Boats, a few less motel rooms occupied... a couple of guys laid off here and there... I do not know the number, but I would hazard a guess that eventually millions and millions of dollars will fall out of the local economies of communities like Osh Kosh where maybe it won't be felt much... or Winneconne and Necedah where it will be felt. Well, enough out of me... I will send my two cents in writing... I would hope that someone is getting to word out to the business community... They need to be heard. It is just our hobby... It is their life. | ||
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| Shep |
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Member Posts: 3899 | Sunshine, you are right. Don't break your promise. As a member of WEAC, (read that WI Education Action Committee), we all know where you stand. hehehe Jus kidding. Hope Green gets in, Tyee. I believe he would veto this bill. If not the full Bill, portions of it. As to the proposed rule changes, please accept the fact that it is not the DNR who is forcing this. It is the legislature. The DNR is the messnger, so to speak. They had to come up with this proposal, and they have to conduct these public hearings. As to the "Scientific" statement. What scientific proof do you have that more fish will die in a July/August Live release tournament, due to delayed release mortality, than in a Catch and kill Tournament? Yes, we all agree that some fish will die. But not nearly the amount if the Live relaease tourneys are changed to catch and kill. And where is your science to prove these fish are wasted? I submit there are many millions more fish that die of natural causes, and old age, than die from delayed release mortality. Are those fish wasted? I submit we need a law outlawing death from natural causes. About as silly as the arguement from the guy who suggested tournament anglers are wantonly wasting the resource. It was apparent to me that access is the social issue involved here. Even though nobody stood up and voiced their concern on access and overcrowding of waterways and launches. Before I started fishing tourney's, I encountered lots of tourney boats on the water. I can honestly say that 99% of these encounters were positive, and never was I intimidated to move from a spot, do to bad behavior from a tourney angler, whether he was prefishing or in the tourney. Like that would have made move, anyway. I know there have been, and will continue to be some negative incidents, but these, I believe are isolated, and not indicative of the majority of tourney anglers. Have I had to go to another launch because the lot was filled? Sure, but that happens when the run is on, too. I just go find another launch, or get up earlier. Everybody wants it to be easy, all the time. Contact your legislators, and your candidates, and attend the hearings. Let your voice be heard. Speak now, because once this is passed, I don't want to hear you. Edited by Shep 11/6/2006 8:24 AM | ||
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| Brad B |
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Member Posts: 617 Location: Oshkosh, Wisconsin | I will not complain when you limit my access to a public resource for ecological or biological reasons. However, I will have real issues with anyone trying to limit my rights for "social" issues when I am not in any danger of harming anyone. The only social issue here is that a some people don't want to share "their" fish or "their" stretch of shoreline with anyone else. Everyone should have a major problem with rules like this. | ||
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