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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | Tyee: I do not lurk. Prowling and/or creeping around is not my style. I have actually been AWOL from WF for while. I have been a little busy and focused on a few other things. Next time we meet, ask me about my robotics team and how we made it to the world competition. I have no problem with you questioning tounaments, tournament fishermen, or tournament directors. That doesn't make you anti-tournament only inquisitive and thought provoking. This thread is a classic example, looks like a few people learned something. If we do not question our own practices, in a professional manner without name calling, we'll never grow as a sport.
IMHO, the walleye world does have a long way to go to catch up with the bass guys BUT NOT in this context. My observation is that we do better policing our own than the bass guys. |
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| "This thread is a classic example, looks like a few people learned something. If we do not question our own practices, in a professional manner without name calling, we'll never grow as a sport."
Thank-you and well stated Sunshine. I know I learned something. |
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| Thumper my point is this! All tournaments and fisherman in the state of wisc have to abide by this rule of "any fish replaced out of the live well with another counts toward your daily bag limit" this is culling! So if a 10 fish or 8 fish limit imposed by tournament director it doesnt matter you cant cull in state of wisc. and its been that way for many years! |
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| Guest, I am not sure what point you are arguing. As Jim explained, the possession limit is 8 fish for this tournament. If we catch and keep our first 5, and then catch a bigger one, it is LEGAL (by state and Merc rules) to throw one back from the livewell and keep the larger one. Our possession total is 6 fish at that point, even though we only have 5 in the box. We may upgrade 2 more fish LEGALLY (again by state and Merc rules) in the same manner, and then we are done. We have reached our 8 fish possession limit, even though we only have our 5 weigh fish in the box.
Illegal culling occurs if you keep ugrading AFTER you have reached your possession limit. It's that simple. |
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | well , reading my merc national rules it states in BOLD print.. NEW FOR 2008! ONLY 8 FISH ALLOWED IN THE LIVEWELL AT ANY TIME. thats all it says , so combined with the state law... on possession and bag... some of the situations and examples listed prior by anglers searching for clarification should not be met with the (you should know better you dumb^&(&*(%&*(% ATTITUDE ! THIS IS NEW FOR 2008 . JIM CLAIRIFIED IT AND SAID EIGHT FISH IS GOING TO BE YOUR YOUR BAG FOR TWO GUYS... ONCE THERE IN THE WELL THE ARE COUNTED FOR YOUR POSSESSION LIMMIT OF 8... yes he clairified it but anyone that read the rules and read them for what the are... again NEW FOR 2008! only 8 fish allowed in the livewell AT ANY TIME. INTURPRETS THE RULE AS DONT HAVE MORE THAN 8 FISH IN YOUR WELL EVER.... so dont jump on people for the way they read the rule .. im sure it will be re-written next year or who knows but lets make sure this comes up at the meeting and everyone knows... thanks agian JIM for making the yet another call and decision swiftly and firmly . thats all we can ask i guess. |
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| I think this has been a very good discussion, (with the exception of a few pompous, rude posts, as always). Guys were asking for clarification of Merc's new rule, and Mr Coon jumped in and made it clear. If these types of questions and examples are not raised, how does one know? That is one of the reasons I visit this site, the open sharing of information and knowledge.
Be nice if everyone could leave their egos at the door though...
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| Regarding the lie detectory test it is interesting if you have never done it before and I believe that if you have something to hide, they will find it out.
Regarding the possession rule, if it is in the livewell it is part of your limit... period.
If you catch 2 19s right away and put them in your livewell, and then fill out your limit with some 23s, I would suggest that you bring all 8 in to the weigh in. If I were to see someone removing fish from possesion (livewell) and tossing them back during a tourney, I would question how many fish have been culled from said livewell. It has always been my understanding the you bring in all fish that you have had in possession to avoid the appearance of impropriety
Take care,
Jim O |
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Location: Chilton | Bringing 8 fish all the way back to fondy in the livewell doesn't seem to be in the best interest of the fish that are going to be released. I interpret the rule as limiting the "upgrades" to 3 fish throughout the day. A fish that is destined to be released without counting towards your 5 weigh fish would be much better off being released at the spot on the lake where the upgrade is being made, rather than traveling longer than needed in the livewell. Just don't do it more than 3 times per day.
That is how I interpret the rule. Is this wrong? |
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | eyeobye has a point .. a sportman will let them swim... jim has a point too, but i trust my fellow tournament guys.. if you have been fishing for some time.. you realize that your typical tournament angler is more trustworthy than anyone else on the water... a person sends in 300 dollars maybe 700 maybe 50 ... i wouldnt send my money in if i thaught that the guys are cheeting... neither would they.... a few out there get a little sneaky and word gets out... quick , i dont know about you but i like to look my fellow competitors in the eye... there good guys and gals.. this is not a money making hobbie... you could win the next 3 tournaments you enter and still not recover what you have invested..... and if the winning boat comes in with 5 fish in the well,, fine by me im not gonna reck there dream day on the water with a comment about how i saw them throw 3 fish back before they made the 20 mile run to the scale... if they threw back 4 and weighed 5 im thinking there might be an issue..though lol,... good luck good fishing and from my experience 99% of your fellow anglers are stand up individuals and teams that wouldnt wanna win that way! lets face it if you need to cheet to win your not a good angler.. and if your not a good angler you can cull all day long and you still wont win... traditionaly your gonna need with 5 fish 16 or 17 lbs a day... plan to keep the right fish... honestly whats the diff between finishing 40th and 100 th .... nothing ... small small check or some prizes .... ??? it ain worth it... go for the win! leave a spot open both days for the 7 lb kicker... never know with a little luck you might top the 300 boat field ! wouldnt want to have an asterus * next to your name ... even in your own mind! remember,, good folks make mistakes too! it seems like every year someone gets DQ'd for bringin in a sauger... do you think these guys dont know what a sauger looks like? the get a hefty fine from the dnr and look like idiots.... somone slipped up... it happens sometimes... |
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