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Rich S
Posted 5/2/2008 8:29 AM (#68993 - in reply to #68812)
Subject: RE: Cory Harrison and Jason Kluess MWS Winners


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The numbers are all there for you to see. Jim does not ask me how I spend my money so I am not going to ask him how he spends HIS money. I don't blindly sign up for anything, I run the numbers and decide whether or not I want to participate. It really is pretty simple. Glad we both agree on Jim and how he runs a circuit.
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eye lunker
Posted 5/2/2008 10:47 AM (#69003 - in reply to #68812)
Subject: RE: Cory Harrison and Jason Kluess MWS Winners


C.T this thread should be about cory and jasons big win and not about your worrying about what jim makes as profit. Why dont you call him and ask? Cory and jason congrats on your win. great job.
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Matt Ritter
Posted 5/2/2008 11:50 AM (#69010 - in reply to #68812)
Subject: RE: Cory Harrison and Jason Kluess MWS Winners


I am a hairy hairy man. Congrats
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Matt Ritter
Posted 5/2/2008 12:04 PM (#69013 - in reply to #69010)
Subject: RE: Cory Harrison and Jason Kluess MWS Winners


Thanks Scott for posting a congrats for me, anyway, nice work to Cory and Jason.
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work2much
Posted 5/2/2008 7:54 PM (#69033 - in reply to #68812)
Subject: RE: Cory Harrison and Jason Kluess MWS Winners


Hey ct,
Did ya fish the tourney?
I did...
It was brutal in the morning but I can tell you that Jim had the system down and all went as planned.A smoother tourney start I've never seen. A great bunch of fishermen that enjoyed a chance to competitively fish against each other.
My partner & I donated our entry fee to Cory & Jason, your welcome Cory & Jason! I'd fish a tourney Jim organized ANY day of the week.
Ps...If anybody pulls up a blue tackle box out of the 41 bridge area filled with brand new walleye divers...well, its a long story......
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Sunshine
Posted 5/3/2008 8:58 AM (#69044 - in reply to #68812)
Subject: Re: Cory Harrison and Jason Kluess MWS Winners



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Hey CT:

How much money do you earn annually? Do you have a tax shelter retirement package? How much money do you have socked away in the bank? Do you hide any income from the Mrs. or the IRS. What's your phone number so you and I can discuss your finances.
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ct
Posted 5/3/2008 1:06 PM (#69051 - in reply to #68812)
Subject: RE: Cory Harrison and Jason Kluess MWS Winners


Just for you sunshine I'll try to explain the difference: Tourneys are publicly held events. I couldn't care less how much income Jim has from his private job, I simply asked for a breakdown of the remaining $. Is that supposed to be a big secret? If so then I do have concerns, as should all participants. A responsible director would simply post it.

By the way, my income is public as I work for a government agency.
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Sunshine
Posted 5/3/2008 3:16 PM (#69056 - in reply to #68812)
Subject: RE: Cory Harrison and Jason Kluess MWS Winners



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Well,

I guess we'll just agree to disagree then. Carnivals are public events to, but I see no reason or means to see how much the organizers make. I can speculate all I want by figuring out how many people may show up and how many rides they go on. But in the long run, it's none of my business.

Closer to home, with a more valid analogy, race car drivers make some good change if they win or place high. I wonder if they try or question how much money the organizers take in?

I do tournaments, and I decide whether it is in my best interest to participate in individual tournaments or a series. There are variables that I take into consideration with the big part of the equation being the percent of payback given to anglers.

I could care less if the organizer is making zero, $1, $100 or $100,000 as long as I feel that I am being fairly treated. If I'm not getting enough and he/she is getting too much than I complain or I move on. Is this what you are hinting at? If not move on.

 

As others have indicated, it's not rocket science to figure out the gross take from an event. (even though you seem to have difficulty). Most people can do the math and figure out the % payback from entry money. If you are happy you enter, if not you may decide to bash organizers on web sites using an anonymous handle.

 

For the record, I really do not believe that tournament directors have to disclose their profits to anyone. They have to declare the possible prizes, that's how their fees are determined now. But I do not believe that they have to provise income or profits to anyone but the IRS.

 

It's one thing if you work for a public entity like being a teacher. In that case, yes, you can find out their salaries. It's another if you pay for a permit and have an organized event on public land. In that case, you are just being a snoop.

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ct
Posted 5/3/2008 4:06 PM (#69061 - in reply to #68812)
Subject: RE: Cory Harrison and Jason Kluess MWS Winners


Yes we agree to disagree, I can't debate with anyone who compares going to a carnival with fishing a tournament
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Shep
Posted 5/3/2008 5:04 PM (#69064 - in reply to #69061)
Subject: RE: Cory Harrison and Jason Kluess MWS Winners



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These tournaments are not public events. They are conducted by private owned businesses. As such, there is no requirement to disclose to you, or anyone else how much money is made off these events. You want to know what the payback is, figure it out. I don't see the same questions asked of Jacob Irwin about the FLW events.

You have no more right to know what Jim makes off these events, than what he makes in his full time job. It's none of your business. If you don't like the payout, don't fish the events. It's that simple. Open to the public does not mean the books are open to the public. Lots of businesses are open to the public. Not many are going to give access to their financials.
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J Man
Posted 5/6/2008 5:21 PM (#69162 - in reply to #69064)
Subject: RE: Cory Harrison and Jason Kluess MWS Winners


I often wondered! Thats why I got out of the series. That was my choice. I felt some shaddy things were going on. Just my opinion. Nice win Cory and Jason condtions were brutal.
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Cranky
Posted 5/7/2008 11:50 AM (#69197 - in reply to #68812)
Subject: RE: Cory Harrison and Jason Kluess MWS Winners


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You can tell it's tourny season again!!!!!lol Just another reason I don't fish tourneys anymore.... All the bickering..lol I'll fish for fun. Lot less headaches.
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Rich S
Posted 5/7/2008 12:14 PM (#69199 - in reply to #69197)
Subject: RE: Cory Harrison and Jason Kluess MWS Winners


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How are the flies working Cranky?
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