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inshore
Posted 5/24/2004 3:42 PM (#18408)
Subject: Help a rookie walleye fisherman... in Georgia... please!!


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Location: Alpharetta, GA
The last time I fished for Walleye was 20 years ago when I spent a year in Minnesota. I live in north Georgia and we have 2 lakes, Carters and Blue Ridge, that are supposed to have walleyes. I got a new boat recently and now have the opportunity to target this great species. I spent the day at Carters on Saturday and caught plenty of spotted (Kentucky) bass, but no walleyes. The bass were in 2 to 15 feet of water, on rocky points, around wood, and the backs of coves. This is a small mountain lake with sharp dropoffs and depths up to 200'.

I would appreciate any suggestions you can offer, such as: What depth should I be fishing? Do walleye hang out mostly on the bottom, or do they suspend? What type of lures and baits are best? Do they orient to structure? If there are spotted bass in a specific area, will the walleye mingle or stay away? I have a good fish finder. What about tactics and patterns.

Thanks for your help!

wishin' I was fishin'
inshore
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Rick Larson
Posted 5/24/2004 3:59 PM (#18417 - in reply to #18408)
Subject: RE: Help a rookie walleye fisherman... in Georgia... please!!



With such deep water and warm climate, my best guess would be deep water (30 feet?) rock humps or cruise around in the center of the lake and look for baitfish, then troll or vertical jig these schools.

It sounds very interesting and hope you can figure it out!!!
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Richfish
Posted 5/24/2004 8:00 PM (#18432 - in reply to #18408)
Subject: RE: Help a rookie walleye fisherman... in Georgia... please!!


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Location: Milw, WI
Find the thermocile then work structure at and just shallower than that depth.
Look for rip rap at the Dam, and other curent areas in that depth range.
Sunked island with rock y top, near deep water.
Points with wind blowing across the lake then across it.
They are not like Lg. or spotted bass.
Deep weed edges, brush piles, that have crappies often have walleye underneath.
Your water temps are going to be in the high stress level most of the time , they are cool water dwellers.
Fish with meat......Leeches, night crawlers.
The Bass will most likely be more active than the eyes are, because if the eyes are active the bass are
On the dinner list.
Gen. Rule here with smallmouth, bass deep =walleye shallower, bass shallow = walleyes deeper.
clear water speaking, and others may not agree with this rule for shallower bodies of water,
with stained water.
Sometime they are in the mudline mixed up where carp are rolling.
Wind ward shores are better , than the calm.
Bait gets washed in there and the easy feed gets going.
Low light feeders,..... some days ....I fish 7pm till 5am to get them around here.
Way more active on dropping barometer, and before the storms, gloomy days with drizzle
can be some of the best.
Days you do not want to be out there is most likely when they will be going.
If you have trout streams running in to your main lakes
I would check out the mouth of those creeks at night for sure.

Oh...Yea.
They will suspend in the middle of no where, if there is bait and the right water temps.
Like 30 feet down over 70 feet of water with shad at 20-30 feet.

The two and only always true walleye rules......

as soon as you think you got them pegged they will move.

if you bragg about catching them they will make a fool out of you.
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seerad
Posted 5/24/2004 10:02 PM (#18445 - in reply to #18408)
Subject: RE: Help a rookie walleye fisherman... in Georgia... please!!



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Location: Mt Prospect, IL
Nice post Richfish.
One other thing, it also helps to know what kind of walleye population you are dealing with as this will determine what kind of effort will be required ( if deemed worthy). It sounds like a promising lake.-seerad
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inshore
Posted 5/24/2004 10:52 PM (#18450 - in reply to #18408)
Subject: RE: Help a rookie walleye fisherman... in Georgia... please!!


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Location: Alpharetta, GA

Looks like great info so far.  They stocked 6 million fingerlings in '90, 3 million in '95, 2.8 million in 2000 and 25,000 last year.  The lake is 3220 acres.  Not sure how many of the older fish have survived.  Supposed to get up to 9 lbs.  I've done a little more research and at least 2 other lakes in North Ga are supposed to have walleye.

Good idea about the thermocline.  Also, as far as depth, they supposedly catch them in shallower water in the winter, when the bass are deeper.  The water is clear except near shore around areas of wave action.

By the way, did you know that Georgia has no natural lakes?  They are all manmade.

Thanks for the info!



Edited by inshore 5/24/2004 10:55 PM
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Richfish
Posted 5/25/2004 10:39 AM (#18479 - in reply to #18408)
Subject: RE: Help a rookie walleye fisherman... in Georgia... please!!


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Location: Milw, WI
Would not count on many fish from the first stocking being around, they would be huge.
In those stress full temps and a shad forage base, I think they live fast and die young .
No winter down time for them, feed bag would be on all year.
Except when to hot.
Walleye sink when they die so they do not float up to be seen like other fish do after ice out up here.

When your bait comes back bit in half, punched with teeth marks, you will know your in the right areas.
Eyes have teeth!!!!! do not try and lip one,(all though I have) grab behind the gills if you can across the back
holding down the dorsal fin or you will get stabbed.
If larger grab around the tail, but best toget a net(long handle) because walleyes are the masters at getting off at boat side.
Only one better at may be is Mr. Muskie.

What other fish are in there?
Stripers,Bass.................?
Will help you figure out the top of the food chain.
Prey fish types will help you in locating them also.
They will be where is there is food, easyer the meals the better.
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Toolman
Posted 5/25/2004 11:47 AM (#18483 - in reply to #18408)
Subject: RE: Help a rookie walleye fisherman... in Georgia... please!!


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inshore,

I really don't know anything about Southern walleyes, but they are still the same species as what I target up here, so I'll give it a shot. I think you already got some good tips.

For active fish try the tops of main lake humps, edges of shallow (30' or less) bays or flats that drop into the deep water of the main lake. The more active the fish the shallower they will go to chase food. I would say that early and later in the season the walleye would suspend nearby these areas over deep water while not actively feeding. You could probably target them with snap weights or leadcore and cranks/spinners or Dipseys and spoons/spinners. Don't be afraid to show them something fast (3+ MPH) to trip their trigger.

Mid-summer water temps will likely push the walleyes deeper near the thermocline during the day. They could and probably do still move shallower at night to feed. Dipseys or downriggers with compatible rigs or night troll cranks up on the food shelves is probably your best bet when it gets hot. Good luck.

Tim
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inshore
Posted 5/25/2004 12:02 PM (#18485 - in reply to #18408)
Subject: RE: Help a rookie walleye fisherman... in Georgia... please!!


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Location: Alpharetta, GA

Thanks Richfish.  The most prevalent fish is the spotted bass.  Lots of them in the plus or minus 1 lb range.  I caught one 3 lb. on Sat.  Supposed to be a good striper lake, but warm temps have apparently cut down on the number of biguns, recently.  They stocked some hybrids last year for the first time, which can stand the heat better.  Forage is threadfin shad, gizzard shad, and a pretty good supply of bluegills and other sunfish up to about 6".  Largemouth, Cannel cats, flathead cats, white and yellow bass, and crappie are also in the mix in smaller numbers.

Thanks for the tip on the teeth and fins.  Not usually much to worry about in the way of teeth down here in freshwater, although I have gotten striper thumb a few times in saltwater.  Plenty of teeth on the saltwater critters, king and spanish mackerel, bluefish, and sharks of course.  A favorite bait on both coasts of Florida is the pinfish.  I've been finned by them more times than I can count...ouch!

I appreciate all the help.  I'm trying to find a decent forum for landlocked stripers...no luck, so far.  I have caught them pretty consistently in saltwater, but can't seem to get their number in fresh.  Lake Lanier is an excellent fishery only 24 miles from my house.  I've figured out the spotted bass pretty good, but the stripers are frustrating...what I wouldn't give for a good Atlantic tide!

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Richfish
Posted 5/25/2004 2:37 PM (#18496 - in reply to #18408)
Subject: RE: Help a rookie walleye fisherman... in Georgia... please!!


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Location: Milw, WI
If you think those stripers are fustrating........... ,
your going to need a good therapist for chasing those eyes.

A good one....is this site.

Want a short cut to under standing the stripers, ride on over to lake texoma (or other good striper res.)and hire a guide for a trip.
And pick his brain, the whole trip.(do not tick him off keep it light fishin talk seasonal movements)

Open water stripe bass have habits, much like open water eyes.
Try wind blown points low light and night, with live shad.
Find the schools of bait (shad) and the larger marks are them game fish your looking for.
Striper are open water preds. wheather in salt or fresh.
Not ambush hideout and wait to eat some thing like the basses most people think of.
They must keep on the move to keep alive, they do not sit in one spot, but travel to and fro to feed.
Salmon in the great lakes would be a good comparison.
Drift throught schools of the bait with live shad just below the level of the school should put many of them in your boat.

Lots of days of study in your future.
Have fun and let us know how it goes.


Edited by Richfish 5/25/2004 2:48 PM
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inshore
Posted 5/27/2004 12:07 PM (#18628 - in reply to #18496)
Subject: RE: Help a rookie walleye fisherman... in Georgia... please!!


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Location: Alpharetta, GA

Richfish

Thanks for the encouragement.  I have fished with a guide on Lake Lanier a few times over the years.  The stripers stay pretty scattered and move a lot, and its a big lake.  I need to start doing some night fishing, so I can spend more time on the water.  That's the only way to track them down.  Most guys keep their mouths shut when they find them...

From another thread, do you really go through 50-100 jigs a day?  I fish Jacksonville, FL a lot and we fish for flounder and sheepshead.  Both are bottom feeders.  We use an unpainted jig head with a light wire hook tipped with mud minnows for flounder and fiddler crabs for the sheepies.  Lots of snags in fast moving tidal current.  The light wire will straighten out most of the time when you get snagged and can be bent back into shape.  As long as your drag is set right it won't straighten on a fish.  My brother lives in J'ville and has a ten lb flounder on this setup last year...his first doormat in almost 40 years of fishing for flounders.

Could light wire jigs work for you?

Also, are minnows illegal to use where you are?  We can use them for everything but freshwater trout in GA.  What size minnow would be good for Walleye?  Small, medium, large or jumbo?  Would a 6" gizzard shad, blue back herring or bluegill be too big?

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Richfish
Posted 5/27/2004 1:56 PM (#18632 - in reply to #18408)
Subject: RE: Help a rookie walleye fisherman... in Georgia... please!!


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Location: Milw, WI
The spots I fish are snag infestations.
One hop to long and break off another jig.
I do use a light wire hook, for that reason.
I make my own, and sell them so it is not that bad.
But the cost of the power bait gets up there.
It is not the hook that gets snagged, it is the head that gets pinned in the "rocks".
The rocks are the old dam, that was removed buy blowning it up with dinomite.
Rebarr and all is there just under the surface.
It will take out your boat if you went in there.
If I am not getting snagged I am not fishing close enough to the cover to get the fish.
Then we have the great zebbra razor blades that cut you line on contact
on some of used to be favortie places to fish.

Yes, we get to fish with all types of live bait up here.
Right now My Number 1 choice is a jumbo leech, now that starts easter and runns throught till I have no more in November.
What leeches that early?
Leechs that late, how?
Well I get them as soon as possiable in spring, and buy them up in late august and keep them for my use.
But this bait chioce is for certain lakes.

If I was up a the family cottage right now it would fish cribs, sand grass, and new weed growth.
With dace ,white suckers, and rainbow chubbs 3-6 inchers.
Wish I was up there right now.

Bait fish size is determend buy the size of the main types of forage.
Or you own mind, I do not fish small minnows in the early spring because nature dosen't not really
leave many in the water, they grow or have been eaten buy then.
Then as late May gets here tiny bait fish are every where, newly hatched for this year.
You will do better to stay away from any fish that has spines on its back.
Softer bodies are better, chubs, dace, suckers and my best mud minniows.
But that is up here, your best bait will have to be proven.
But shad, will be the biggest factor at your lake.

After rains use nightcrawlers near incoming current areas, but now do you have crawlers down there?
I have lived places were they are not present in the ground, so not a factor.

Crayfish may be a hot bait for you, do they let you use them?
Soft shelled green craws are best.
Those we do not get to use regulary, but where we can they catch every thing.

Bait size is always a "debait"
med golden shinners should be your ticket.
They call them roaches down there I belive.

I hope some of this is helping you get some ideas on what and where to try.
Those locations will change all the time with season and weather patterns.
That shallow in the fall threw winter in to spring will be great if you get them patterned.
DO they spawn?Call to res. man. for that answer.
Then where do the spawn, in coming river is my bet.
another thing that may be a wild card is to find out where the fry came from.
This may clue you to what type of fish they are, Lake run or River run.
Fishing patterns from there orgin may then apply to there new waters.

Is there a good topo. map for this place?



Edited by Richfish 5/27/2004 2:01 PM
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sworrall
Posted 5/28/2004 8:35 AM (#18669 - in reply to #18496)
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Location: Rhinelander
Inshore,
The information in the posts on this thread is excellent! Should help you find some of the eyes out there. There are a few strpier sites on the web; I was looking at the sport this winter. I'll see what I can locate for you.
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inshore
Posted 5/28/2004 10:13 AM (#18684 - in reply to #18408)
Subject: RE: Help a rookie walleye fisherman... in Georgia... please!!


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Location: Alpharetta, GA

Thanks Steve.  This walleye site is an awesome resource!  A couple of striper sites I have tried are fishin.com and stripers247.com.  Fishin.com has some decent fishing reports on it, but the forum can go days sometimes without a post.  Most of the striper sites I have found cater to the saltwater striper.  I have had a lot of success with saltwater stripers, but unfortunately I live in metro Atlanta.  The closest saltwater is 5 hours away.

Richfish, thanks again for your input.  Lake Sidney Lanier is the primary lake I fish.  The stripers have a false spawning run up into the rivers that feed the lake.  The lake is fed by 2 rivers, the Chattahoochee (a great trout stream/river) and the Chestatee, as well as numerous small creeks.  It is a 39000 acre impoundment with 690 miles of shoreline encompassing 39000 acres.  The lake was created in 1956 in an area of rolling foothills and small  bluffs.  There are lots of coves, points, secondary points, dropoffs, humps, cuts and about 50 islands.  The lake was built in an area of farmland and woodland.  Old dwellings, roadbeds, culverts, etc. were left in place.  All the timber was cut down to about the 30 foot level, so most of the cover in the shallows is manmade brushpiles and areas where the lake bottom is exposed during a drought and small bushes, etc grow up.  There is a lot of timber below the 30 foot level.  Unless we have a drought which we did for 3 years until 2003 the lake stays pretty level.  They generate power a few hours a day, so the dam does bring some water movement.  The lake is close to 200 feet deep at the dam.  The average depth is 60 feet.  I do have a topo map.  Sometime in June the thermocline will set up at around 35'.

As it turns out the Lanier does have some walleyes in it according to the Ga. DNR.  They apparently hang near the damn in the summertime.  The lake is a premier striper lake in the southeast.  They pull water from the bottom of the lake.  The temps in the tailrace are in the 50s, but the surface temp of the lake is in the 80s (85 right now).  The oxygen levels below the thermocline are very low, the stripers don't like it, not sure about walleyes.  Normally the summer pattern (July and August) is stripers in the 28 to 35' range.  Walleyes, too?  But last summer the fish were spread down to 45 - 60 feet for some reason.  I know how to find structure in 100' of water in the gulf and drop to the bottom, but I need to work on technique for these suspended fish.

As far as bait.  You can get Canadian nightcrawlers, never seen a leech this far south, crawfish in the creeks, but not commercially available.  Mostly available are minnows, shad, blueback herring and rainbow trout (so-called striper candy).  Buying baitfish is expensive.  I've tried netting them, but frequently it is hard to find them concentrated in shallow enough water to castnet.

Lake Lanier is 50 miles north of Atlanta, but withing 25 miles of many of Atlanta's nicer suburbs.  Probably half the lake has houses on it, lots of docks, the rest is wooded.  Not a ton of overhanging brush, but plenty of blowdowns.  It gets a lot of fishing pressure, but the vast majority of these folks are targeting spotted bass.  Also, it has tons of "worthless" boats, houseboats, big sailboats, boats suited more for the ocean.  The main lake is worse than the ocean on summer weekends.  It will be a zoo this weekend, except at night and early morning.  I was hoping to head to Tampa to fish the Skyway Bridge this weekend, but with gas prices what they are, and cash being tight, I guess I'll be at the zoo with the rest of them.

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Richfish
Posted 5/28/2004 11:06 PM (#18726 - in reply to #18408)
Subject: RE: Help a rookie walleye fisherman... in Georgia... please!!


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Location: Milw, WI
For this weekend I stay home.

But if you going try early, sunup would be a late start.
Or fish them at night.

Bass during the day would keep you busy.

That summer pattern sounds about right.

Wish I knew the water.

With all that timber under there wow.
Look for edges that are above that 30' mark and treat it as weed beds inside edges.
The closer to moving water the better,near drops off to deep basin the better.
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