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| Steve, Since you deleated the previous post asking about the protest. And you are there, What happened with the protest. I was there yesterday when it was brought up around the"HUGE" sport show. Went to see the Mercury Products and they were missing. |
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| Not sure about a protest, but the leaderboard should tell the story of the tournament pretty well. |
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Location: Rhinelander | As in:
End of story. Andersen wins! The awards banquet was great, photos soon. The Mercury products were on boats, sir. If you missed that, I'm sorry. And by the way I didn't delete your last post, but if it was deleted, it should have been. Get over it. |
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| Only if it were that easy ("get over it, its' done"). This is huge tournament and to blow it off like that is like sweeping dog __ under the rug. If the PWT is a true professional org. (and it is) then they will (or should) address this issue. |
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Location: Rockford MN | Who do they need to address? You? Why would they have to do anything to please you? Do you stand to gain from this?
Were you at the rules meeting? Do you know 1st hand of problems out there or is this just another (He saw or he said) if something happened the anglers involved should handle any and all of this. Not here with a post that does'nt show your name. |
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| Well Gordy looks like you've got all the answers.
1. I BUY their magazines, movies, etc....
2. I FISH their tournaments
SO if they have problems with rules then YES it does effect me, so yes THEY should address this (which by the way is true -protest).
AND YOU ARE??? |
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| The issue at hand was observers on the boats being caught assisting the anglers (clearing lines,etc.). It was more than one angler,and the committee decided that the rules were unclear enough to overlook the infractions.I think this happened on day one, so all was in order after the clarification.
Edited by boomrr 9/19/2005 4:56 PM
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Location: Rockford MN | easy said - 9/19/2005 4:13 PM
Well Gordy looks like you've got all the answers.
1. I BUY their magazines, movies, etc....
2. I FISH their tournaments
SO if they have problems with rules then YES it does effect me, so yes THEY should address this (which by the way is true -protest).
AND YOU ARE???
I'm a guy that has his name posted. I'm also a guy that is wondering why you are'nt on the phone with the PWT and all the guys on the advisory panel? Why are you here stirring the pot? Think we can solve the problem you have? We were'nt on the water nor do we have the final say. Take this up with the PWT, what does this site have to do with you're beef? OH I see you want to vent under a made up name, it's ok then I guess I have done that before. VENT AWAY we are all ears from here on out. |
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| Easy said and others...
We only report what we can confirm through multiple sources. That is called journalism. Until that test is met we consider it rumor and a non-event. Reporting rumors as fact or supporting the spread of such is called tabloid.
We don't support the promotion of rumors, or the use of this board for that purpose.
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| Well then, since you are a journalist, it is safe to assume that no outside pressures or influences such as In-Fish/primedia could influence your reporting of any events because that would be violating your/our First Amendment Rights. Thats good!
As a journalist, I would assume it also means you will protect your WF member's freedom of speech on this open forum about things that involve In-Fish/Primedia regardless if they do not like the subject matter, as long as it is factual, correct?
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Location: Rockford MN | You know I don't know what happen down there but why should Walleyefirst have to post a response to something they have zero to do with? Like Zach said these are rummors to them, they are not the advisory panel or the PWT governing body. You think the PWT went to Walleyefirst and said we have a situation, how should we handle it? NO, I'm also sure that Walleyefirst heard the same rummors as you. However what would you like them to report?
Newsflash: Walleyefirst has just heard that someone just protested someone at the PWT championship, we have no idea what its about but rummors are spreading like wildfire here and just as soon as we hear more gossup we'll get that right back to you. LMAO How are these guys NOT journalist because they did'nt cover breaking headlines of a MAYBE, WHO KNOWS, WHAT IF. Come on Jack, are you for real on this one? They were'nt sitting with the PWT figuring out if a rule was broken. You can't ask them to post something on these grounds, think they have copy of the Protest in hand for the posting? Let let this one go to the people directly involved, not a GOOD web-site that cover tournaments with great Pic's and Live leader boards with some articals about how the event is going. |
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| JLDII,
When you post something here WE are publishing it. As long as WF is responsible for the content, we can choose what stays and what goes, and we have never misrepresented that fact. If you are worried about first amendment rights you can always get yourself a blog and publish anything you want to say in it.
Furthermore, we never have to worry about backing up anything we ever report about an event, because we are actually there, and have images, interviews and in many cases video to support our reporting.
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| Gordy,
You totally missed the boat on this one pal. I had several posts deleted from a thread yesterday that caused me to be publicly called out and put down by the people running this site. As was explained to me, what I said, or asked, "were outside the permissions of this board". More than a couple members here have contacted me and expressed that they felt that I should not have had my posts deleted, and must asuredly should not have been spoken to in the manner I was, in public no less. NOTHING I said was conjured up of misleading. I quoted FACTS published here on this site as to the numbers of fish caught as reported on the live leader board, and simply asked if those numbers would help promote the public's interest in professional walleye fishing.
Several people have supported my statements and assured me that most likely In-Fish/Primedia has some measure of play in the decision to have my words silenced. Maybe its damage control by Primedia, maybe they said something to WF, I don't know. Either way, the actions taken against me here on this forum disgust me personally, and I have serious reservations about accepting the pretense that "journalism" is the root of all decisions made here.
On that other site, I have posted this question,
"Is covering/reporting about fishing tournaments considered journalism? Should the fishing public expect the same journalistic standards from those people covering these events as we do news reporters in every other medium of news media?"
You'd be surprised by the reaction of everyone, including PWT pro's who are signing their names to their posts. They all believe the standard IS NOT being followed.
Now WHY would all these people cast doubt on In-Fish/Primedia. Maybe they are all feed up with the spin doctoring!
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| I feel your pain Jack. I don't think it is out of line to ask a question. If you were stating things that you could not prove, sure. But it is only a question for discussion. I hate walking on eggshells wondering who I am going to p*** off.
Your right, when a few top names sign there names, it has merrit. All anyone wants to do is make things better.
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| Maybe the suggestion, please go back to that other site and read your thread? One PWT pro has put his name to it and one guy tossed out another guys name. The one Pro that put his name to the thread barely agrees with your position. His call is for more coverage and promotion and barely adresses the theme behind your writings. Now this forces me to ask myself, "self, what does anyone think they are out to prove by looking for negative news and dredging under every rock looking for a scandal?" Probably more than just me do not want to read all kind of heresay and speculation on what might have been wrong. Probably more than just me do not want or hear that everything is one coverup away from exposing unlimited corruption. Probably more than just me are tired of all the playground posturing on fishing web sites. Give the conspiracy theory stuff a break please. As to HUGE crowds, does it really make so much a difference if 50 or 500 people show up? Do you think the people covering the tournaments are going to say the crowd numbers were not spectacular? No disrespect to Milford and ther many fine people that live there but just how many spectators are going to drive there from all over the land? Milford aint just round the corner from most of the country! And lastly, if you wish to throw mud, go back to the toher site and do it. They thrive on that there. Leave this place to be what it was discovered to be. Like minded anglers reading about all manner of fishing news with massive tournament results thrown in. Like minded anglers discussing pertinent things without the spectre of "he said-she said" soiling the picnic basket like so much poo. If a guy wishes to wiz in the wind, and the moderators don't like it there is two options afforded that guy. 1) Stop wizzing 2) Wizz somewhere else. Also someone is interested in a guided trip, respond to the man and be glad that the moderators do not yank such threads here as is the case on other sites. |
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Location: Rhinelander | Reels and Jack,
The problem with the TWO (not several, 2) posts I personally removed which were Jack's were simple:
1) He stated in his post that 'He Heard' several things about the crowd and the media and community support from the area that were simply not the truth, or anything near the truth from my observation, and I was there. I was IN that crowd shooting pictures and met each of the sports writers, radio and TV folks. Look at the crowd pictures I took, that building was built to hold 2500 comfortably, guys. It was nearly full Friday, full Saturday, and at least 2/3 full Sunday in brutal 90 degree heat. Media from the area and all over the midwest was there. I'm pretty sure they would have been offended to see here on WalleyeFIRST they weren't, and the good folks of the Junction City area who braved the heat to sit through a 2 hour 15 minute weigh-in supposedly didn't support the event. I guarantee the 1800 to 2000 figure is very close to the mark Saturday, and probably Friday too. Sunday was lighter by probably 500, but the reason why is easy, it was REALLY HOT out there. Anyone elses opinion aside, the media was there and so was the community. One heck of alot of a better showing than Madison, from a much smaller deomgraphic area.
2) The basis of Jack's second post was predicated by his first, and made little sense once the first was gone. The 'question' about the tough bite and whether or not Milford was a 'good choice' for a Championship or the sport wasn't the problem. That's a fair question, and is certainly open for reasonable debate. Key word? Reasonable.
Internet law/protocol is straight forward when addressing moderated message boards as part or the whole of a publication like WalleyeFIRST. The commentary on the message board is NOT considered to be that of the anon or registered user who posted it, it's published in this case by OutdoorsFIRST Media, and therefore is construed as OutdoorsFIRST Media's opinion. If anyone at OutdoorsFIRST is aware of a post that is inaccurate and as a result defamatory, offensive, or otherwise untoward and we allow that post to remain for 24 or more hours, we are complicit in that statement.
As to the protest question, the entire 'problem' was dealt with by the In Fish staff, and didn't effect the outcome in any way. Reporting on a 'non event' like that would look like and would BE nothing more than sensational journalism, and encouraging a speculative and factually unfounded discussion of those issues here without absolute first hand knowledge (which I do not have, far as I know there WAS no protest) would be irresponsible. There's several threads that do exactly that elsewhere on the web, if you just HAVE to gossip about rumors there is always that option.
Jack, really now. There is no business relationship between WalleyeFIRST and the PWT, FLW, or any other circuit we cover. We afford the same coverage to all, and acquire permission and a press pass at EVERY event before coverage begins. That's the protocol, and that's exactly what we do. If there WAS a DQ in any of the events we cover I'd get the FACTS of the story, post it, and call it a day.
So.....no offense intended, but absolutely NO apologies for this stance: 'I Heard' doesn't get it here. |
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| Just another post gone bad, and to think I wasted a few hours of my life reading it the past few days!
Weights at the scale mean diddly doo in the big picture, Neutral grounds for a tournament are more valuable than hittin the hot bite on a qualifying body of water anyday! 2000 people sounds like a fair amount but not that many more than at the campground on Sunday morning church service, and I'm sure the majority were friends and family of the participants.
As for the coverage and this place to discuss issues,,,,,well Personally,,, I thought last years coverage was more intriguing and most of you know why! Nothing personal Steve! It's just that Pictures and a sound bite are no where near the same as getting up close and personal with a few videos!
I guess if Prime media and In-Fish don't have the money to make it more exciting, How can one expect a board like this to be much different!
Congrats to all the participants, you worked hard to get there and hopefully it will bennefit you in your future endevours!
Good Luck
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Location: Rockford MN | reels - 9/19/2005 10:18 PM
I feel your pain Jack. I don't think it is out of line to ask a question. If you were stating things that you could not prove, sure. But it is only a question for discussion. I hate walking on eggshells wondering who I am going to p*** off.
Your right, when a few top names sign there names, it has merrit. All anyone wants to do is make things better.
Sorry Jack
I guess I missed the "Rant" but when you posted under this topic I thought thats what you were talking about. WF called you out hummmmm. that sounds a little wierd to me. Oh well maybe its time to get back on the water? I'm out the door as soon as the traffic die's down. |
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Location: Rhinelander | Gordy,
What you see on the board here is what we said, nothing more. I didn't 'call anybody out', I answered some unfair and inaccurate criticism of a city and the media in Kansas and a couple direct personal challenges with what could be considered restraint.
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Location: Kansas | Steve, very well said. I heard more "rumors" at the site and they just keep changing each time I talked to some one. I think your wrong on only one thing, I believe there were more people there on Sunday, even with the heat, some left because of the heat because it was brutal.
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| Steve,
My comments were not directed towards you. Sorry if you took it that way. You guys have to do what you have to do. Nothing wrong with that.
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Location: Rockford MN | sworrall - 9/20/2005 9:10 AM
Gordy,
What you see on the board here is what we said, nothing more. I didn't 'call anybody out', I answered some unfair and inaccurate criticism of a city and the media in Kansas and a couple direct personal challenges with what could be considered restraint.
No beef here, one mans view VS anothers. I have found this board and site to more than fair and would never complain about that. Oh well Jack will get over it, he always does. See you guys at the Championship, I leaving right now. Keep up the good work!
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Location: Rhinelander | No worries, just making sure all is clear! Kansas was a blast, I had a great time at the Championship. |
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