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| As Kenny Rogers said in his song,
"You have to know when to hold them, and know when to fold them"
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| T-Mac - 10/4/2005 3:39 PM
Interesting discussion.
I am not touchin it with a ten foot pole ; )
I am just glad to see Bigfoot can still type,'tho. : ): ).....honestly...I haven't seen "Foot" type for a couple of years.
Punctuation gave it away, huh? lol We were playing "Boss and Secretary" this morning..wink wink
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| If I may... here is a cut/paste of rule #7 from the FLW web site.
7. Sportsmanship
All contestants are required to follow high standards of sportsmanship, courtesy and conservation and to conduct themselves in a manner that will be a credit to themselves, to FLW Outdoors, FLW Outdoors sponsors, the sport of fishing, or FLW Outdoors' efforts to promote the sport. Examples of conduct not complying with those standards include, but are not limited to, the following:
Violation of, or failure to comply with, any of the official rules for the 2005 FLW Walleye Tour.
Consumption and/or possession of alcoholic beverages or any mind-altering substance during registration, the pretournament meeting or during tournament hours extending through the weigh-in procedure.
Abuse or addiction to, mind-altering substances
Conviction of a felony within the past 36 months
Suspension/disqualification from any tournament or fishing organization.
Any other words, conduct or actions reflecting unfavorably upon efforts to promote safety, sportsmanship, fair competition and compliance with tournament rules, or which fail to comply with the standards set forth in the first sentence of paragraph 7.
In case of any conduct not complying with the standards, FLW Outdoors shall have the right to refuse any application, or to deny a confirmed application by returning the deposit or entry fee of a previously accepted application, or to disqualify a contestant.
You can go to www.walleyetour.flwoutdoors.com and click on the rule link under the tour tab on the left side for the complete rules.
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| reels - 10/4/2005 3:28 PM
Gosh, how do I ask this without sounding like a basher, or mud stirrer. Please do not take this that way. It is only a question~
If there is a rule that they can not talk about violations, how can it be talked about on a radio show? Maybe I am missunderstanding.
Again, please dont take this the wrong way.
The tournament organization will not make a statement on a ruling. That leaves it up to the individual if he/she so chooses to explain what happened.
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| Juls...
LOL... yep.
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| Thanks Juls, I did missunderstand then. I thought it was a rule that it could not be discussed.  |
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| why can't I read the posts on this subject? I really don't know what this is about, what kind of tips was he talking about? |
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| Well fellow sports people. Here is my two cents worth. I have been fishing walleye tournaments for 20 years and I have been running tournaments for 15 years Currently the Illinois Walleye Trail. I am firm believer in following the rules. If you have them, enforce them, regardless of who, when or where. If not, no reason to waste paper ink and time. I am firm beleiver that 99.9% of fisherpeople are honest, it is always the .1% that we have to deal with that takes all the time and engery and sometimes the fun out these events. I don't know what happened but I am sure that Carl was not cheating or doing something terribly wrong but I am also sure that there was some infraction or the protest would not have been made. The Tournament Director made the decision based on this and I am sure it was not a spur of the moment decision. Now to the real meat of what my thoughts are. Over the past several months there has been a lot of discussion on these boards after the Bass Masters Classic hoping that Walleye Tournaments will be there one of these days. I hope they will be there also, But when major sponsors read these type of items we have a long way to go. These type of items will come out when the concerned parties are ready for them to come out, like Carl is doing and I commend him for this and give him even more respect and I don't even know him. I have seen on several occassions where a Bass Tournament fisherman has called the Director and told them on the phone that they are DQing themselves for the day because of this or that. Lets go fish and have some fun and not get hung up these type of issues.
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Location: Rockford MN | I agree Bob,
However people that really don't or have never fished at these levels have a hard time understanding why problems are occuring out there. Some are just brain farts others are rules that are not to the letter. Some of the rules read one way to one angler and read another way to some other angler. Rules should never have a "Gray" area, all the rules need to be clear for all to follow. I also believe ALL rules should be followed no matter what. Sportsmenship issues seem to be one of those gray areas, what I might consider unsportsmen like someone else calls just fishing. Read the rules some are pretty "gray" and are being pushed to limits they were never intended. Just my take on whats happening out there.
I'll try to give you the best example I can> You are allowed 2 rods per angler but you can run 2 lures off each line. Now at GB I saw guys running clips attached to the main line with a line and lure attached. OK, so you get a fish on that line with the clip you reel up to the clip and then remove the line NOW guess what you have 5 lines in the water and not the 4 allowed. See gray area rule, and many were running this system. I thought about this for a long time, I chose not to run this system feeling it was against what they were trying to say in the rule. Now if you were to run a 3 way with 2 lures thats what they ment. See rules are being taken advantage of because they are not clear enough. This is just one of the many, all in my opinion are being used to gain an unfair advantage.
Oh well the people that want to know about this lastest happening are going to hear about it, and from the party involved instead of someone on a web-site under a made up name. |
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| >I'll try to give you the best example I can> You are allowed 2 rods per angler but you can run 2 lures off each line. Now at GB I saw guys running clips attached to the main line with a line and lure attached. OK, so you get a fish on that line with the clip you reel up to the clip and then remove the line NOW guess what you have 5 lines in the water and not the 4 allowed. See gray area rule, and many were running this system. How can you run 4 lures off 2 rods and be legal? This is right out of the Wis fishing regulations. Angling Methods and Lures
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Location: Rockford MN | Sorry see I was not clear enough. 2 rods were the rules per angler but 3 baits could be used. Now try to figure out the rules when they are written like I posted. Get my meaning? You are not breaking a State law by running 2 rods with one having another line attached (State law says 3 rods) but when you take that line off the main line you have 1 more than the tour allowed. Broken rule right? |
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| i think this is a fair question,so i'm going to post. For the record who has priveleges on WF, to moderate and eliminate. |
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| Steve, I don't read the Enquirer and would like to thank you for the opportunity to learn many great things from the Pro's that DO post without feeling threatened by what their writings may be percieved as.
I have met many great people in this industry and admired many as well through this site as far back as when Lumpy ran it. Some have come and some have gone but the good apples continue to visit and for that I am thankfull.
Although I have met Carl but don't "know" him, I was very surprised to see the 0 as were others I'm sure. I don't know him well enough to call him up and ask but will ask when I see him out promoting his sponsors!
I visit here because of folks like Rick, Juls, Dennis, T-mac, WE and many others, thank you very much for your insights, and your willingness to share. I too was unaware of the "rule" definition (fine print is tough on these old eyes).
I guess you could say I have been sitting here all these years trying to decide if I wanted to take it to the next level or not. When things like this happen I realize how little I really know. I feel for the young guys that come in and get beat up because they didn't know enough or were "fresh meat" and thought just because they can catch fish that they could compete! Carl is a seasoned veteran and to see this DQ is disturbing to say the least.
I may have come off harsh in my last post so I appologize, but it sure would be nice if someone got the "STORY" and printed "Carl's, the Accuser and the FLW's official position. As my education in communication taught me that is true journalism. I could post what I know but that would be hearsay, besides this thread has brought out more interaction than we have seen in a LONG time!
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Location: Rhinelander | Tyee,
I already have the FLW's perspective. I'll have Carl's this Friday afternoon or evening. If I can find out who the other person was and they are willing to speak to the issue, I'll get that too.
Thanks, sir.
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| I just recieved this from Dave Landahl.
"Sonny Reynolds will also be on The Fishing Fanatics this Thursday to talk about the FLW's enforcement of its rules and the 2006 FLW Walleye Tour season."
That should be interesting! |
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| It shows that there are 2 pages of post on this subject is it me, or are they not showing up for every body? |
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Location: Rockford MN | At the top of the page it tells you that you are on page 2 just click on page 1 and you can read from the start. The site automacticaly goes to the newest post. |
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Location: Rhinelander | Ah, Gordy, that makes sense. Thanks, sir, that should explain it for our guests. |
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Location: Appleton wi | I heard carl was powering his boat with a secret 390h.p engine with 225 sticker on it and he had his fish and was back at the launch before the second flight was out :). hehe just kidding guys. The method is called a slider and yes if you detach it technically its another line/handline or whatever you wanna call it
Edited by eye Lunker 10/6/2005 7:39 AM
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| I heard he had to go..... really bad....and did .....
Jussst kiddingggg. |
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| I heard he was wearing LUND underwear...... |
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| Missed the radio show today, what did Carl and Sonny have to say? |
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Location: Menominee MI, In Da UP Eh? | Juls_OH - 10/4/2005 4:06 PM
.......We were playing "Boss and Secretary" this morning..wink wink
Rick
Juls.............
Ummm, okay guys....more than we needed to know! LOL!!! |
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Location: Menominee MI, In Da UP Eh? | Juls_OH - 10/4/2005 12:26 PM
stacker - 10/4/2005 9:56 AM
With Carl talking about what happened, the 500# gorilla thats been killing every word on the internet about this subject won't be able to stop this.
Thursday can't come soon enough!!!! You obviously missed the posts that got it dusted, and not just sent to the boneyard, so I won't hold that against you.
By the way, you calling me fat???? I know I've gained a few pounds, but COME ON!!! That's just cruel...you......you.....you Warrior boat salesman! LOL
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FAT? Juls?? No one could think that! I bet Jack still weighs more than you Juls....... |
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