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| Just brought my reel's to local B&T for a re-spool for salmon rod's. The owner of the B&T said that the counters will not be accurate ( in feet ) on the reel's. Anybody else know of this or is the guy trying to B.S. me, to make more $ on the re-spool's.
I thought re-setting the counter to zero..........was zero...?
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | fishunter70 - 8/22/2007 8:57 AM
Just brought my reel's to local B&T for a re-spool for salmon rod's. The owner of the B&T said that the counters will not be accurate ( in feet ) on the reel's. Anybody else know of this or is the guy trying to B.S. me, to make more $ on the re-spool's.
I thought re-setting the counter to zero..........was zero...?
Thank's
Fish
I'm guessing that each reel was calibrated for a certain line type, optimum spool fill levels X feet per reel turn, versus that particular line diametor when made. Using larger/heavier diametor mono or some of the newer thinner braids would both load and spool off at a slightly different rate I'm sure. And after so much was let out, would probably magnify it's difference. So exact amount out might be off slightly with each different line used. Personally, I would not worry about what would almost certainlly amount to a slight difference. Fact is, if your catching fish at 80 back on your reels when all have the same line, it's no big deal if there off a foot or two. 
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| That's my thought to Dan. If it were different on all the reel's as for( feet back )being off then it would be a problem. When I get them back I will check it out and post the result's. |
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | It's hard to comment without knowing exactly what the gentleman said about accuracy. Bottom line, if all the reels have different amounts of line they will not be calibrated together or be accurate. Checking them now, after the fact may be too late except you'll know how much they are off. If they have too much line on, it'll be easy to remove some line and get them accurate. If they do not have enough, you'll have to live with it or waste the money you spent on new line. (At the very least you could mark each reel to remember how much they are off.)
It's difficult to calibrate them just by looking at the reel and trying to determine how much line is on them. This may be what the he was trying to tell you.
When I change line, I use an inexpensive Shakespeare clip on line counter and calibrate all reels to it.
After a few years, I became smarter and tied a knot to my backing. Now when I get to the knot, I know that I can add 300' of new line and the reels will all be calibrated correctly. Even knowing this, I still check them with the clip on line counter.
Some may be asking why I trust the clip on. I did extensive testing in the backyard and found them to be very accurate.
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Location: LaCrosse, WI | I calibrate all my reels after spooling. I'll set up marks in my yard for 50' and 100'. I make sure the spools are good and full, then I test them at each distance to see what the line counter reads. I use 10lb xt on most of my line counters. With Diawa 27s I'm pretty accurate. Most of them were within 3' at 100'.
I put a small sticker on the side of the reel with the 50' and 100' measurements on them. We only do this now if the reel is off by more than a few feet. Calibrate them to make sure how high your counter reads at 50 & 100' and you should be good to go. |
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| When you say that your CALIBRATING the reel's what do you mean by that...?
In order to really calibrate each reel you would have to take the counter apart and re-set it that way. Then put back together on the reel. |
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | I'm confused with the Calibrate remedy as well. If you reel says 1 foot out and the line measures 1' 1" or 11", your loosing or gaining that increment amount of line for every foot out. I've never seen a reel on the market you could adjust in inches. I always assumed the reels revolution determened the amount of line out. And as the line pays out your spool gets smaller and revolves quicker giving you yet another mis-calculated variable. Dennis's hook on line counter should be more accurate as it measures the lines length itself as it pays through the counter versus the set calibration determined by the turn of a spool.
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Location: Green Bay, WI | Let me add to this discussion too.
I'm with Rookie & Sunshine on this. I think Sunshine's testing was done similar to what Rookie does but now it’s easier to use the clip on counter and just as accurate.
I do what Rookie does and let me add some explanation to it. I fill my reel up to where I think it needs to be, and then with the bulk spool of line still attached I go out to my 100' course. I zero the counter and pull the bulk spool out and set it on the ground at my 100' mark. Then I go back to the reel, if it says more than 100 it is under filled so I crank some more line on and recheck the counter on the 100' course. I repeat the process until the reel says 100 when I pull out 100’.
Now in the case where the counter says less than 100 I have too much line on the reel and I need to take some off and put it back on to the bulk spool. This is pain, so I usually under fill.
Is that any help in explaining, "calibrating"?
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Location: LaCrosse, WI | That's pretty much it. When people say "Calibrate", they typically mean, filling the spools to the point where you get your closest reading to accurate. Like Sunshine, I know roughly how much line I need on my spools for my counter to say (98-102) when there is actually 100' of line out. I'm not taking the reels apart, I'm mostly filling the spool or taking line off to make sure that I'm getting the most accurate reading possible.
After a few break offs, your counter vs actual distance could be off by more than you think. I've had reels go from 100=100 to 110=100 in one trip with a few broken lines. Usually if I'm only off by 10' or less at 100' of actual distance I just note it on a sticker on the side of the reel. If I read 110' at 100' actual distance I estimate 1.1' on the counter per 1' of actual line. It's not 100% fool proof but it's fairly accurate.
The biggest thing is knowing how much line is actually out compared to what your counter says. You can do the math once you know that. That's my main concern whenever I check my reels. |
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| Well I did a little checking around on the diawa lc series reels. According to the Diawa "BOOK" it say's the reels are "fully loaded" with 14lb test .033mm dia line. Then it is fairly close to ( line read= line out ).
I also looked up the term "CALIBRATION" in the WIKIPEDIA ENCYCLOPEDIA and it say's this .
Calibration: Calibration is often regarded as including the process of ADJUSTING the output and or indication on a instrument to agree with the value of the applied standard , within a specified accuracy.........end quote.
So for the guy's saying that your "calibrating" your reels is a false statment, but whatever work's for you is what work's.
I checked MY reels and they are close enough for the purpose I'm using them for. I'm just going on the " counter say's 100' back = 100' back"
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | BeFishin, GNWC Rookie and I are all in agreement and are all trying to explain the same technique to "calibrate" our reels.
Bob, you are correct. I used to do the "calibration" in the backyard with posts set at 50', 100' and 150'. Stopped doing it when it became apparent that the clip ons were dead on and I could use them instead. Now when I'm at a tourney prefishing, I just pull out the clip on. I always carry 1-2 clip ons in the boat in case I want to check a reel to see how much it is off after a few break-offs.
For the record, I have also discovered that the reels are a little forgiving when fully spooled and that you can have about 30' play from optimum "fullness" before you see any major change. Knowing this, I actually fill the reel a little over so I have room for a couple of reties. Anyone else notice this?
Fishunter70, Several of us came on here to try and help you. Why the lecture on the WIKIPEDIA ENCYCLOPEDIA????? You portray the image that you are bashing the very people who attempt to help you. I'm sure that is not your intent.
For the record that definition is exactly what we feel we are doing .................. We ARE going through the process of ADJUSTING the output on a instrument to agree with the value of the applied standard , within a specified accuracy........The output is what the reel reads when the tale of the tape reads 100' (the standard).......... but hey, who wants to get wrapped up with semantics on a fishing site |
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | I'm sure fishunter meant no disrespect. I always thought my speedometer was calibrated until I put a little larger snow tires on my truck. The Baldwin City Police had a measuring device of his own. Seems I was actually going 6 miles an hour faster then I thought I was since my rim re-spooling.   |
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| Dennis,
In no way was I trying to bash anybody on here. I wanted to know the true meaning on the word calibration. Thats why I ask What you and the others were talking about as "calibration" or calibrating your reels. If I offended your or anybody else I'm SORRY.
This is a great site with alot of valuable information, but if by posting question's on here with answers and questions cause this much hassel, then it's not worth the hassel of it.
Again if I offended/bashed your or anybody else I'm SORRY.
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Location: Grayling, MI | Line counters on reels are made to turn with the spool and since the more line you on your spool the more line retrieve you get and with less line obliviously you get less. So the counter is set up for when the spool is almost full. With my lead core setup I can have 10 colors out and my 50' leader and my counter reads 410' because of the different line diameter. But when you use a clip on it is dead on because when the line spins the wheel in side the counter it when the line passes through. Since it counts the feet going over the wheel it doesn't matter what diameter the line is or how much out it will read correctly. A clip on just doesn't have the variables a reel has. But it really doesn't matter if the line counter is off it will still get the lure to the same location with that same reel. But then if you use all the same line and reels for line counters and fill them about the same the number will mean the same for each reel. Even if 140'=130'.
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Location: LaCrosse, WI | What everybody has to remember is that the written word can be much harder to decipher the true meaning of a statement than a verbal statement. On sites like this, there is often contraversy surrounding a lot of posts. You will see a lot of tournament debates, debates over wether or not somebody really caught fish or not, you'll also see people get bashed for giving good reports.
The frustration is not really directed at any one person, it's more a matter of dealing with a lot of different things. This is an awesome site (probably the best Walleye site IMHO). Please just try to make mention on your posts what your intentions are. I read the post defining calibration and had to read it again. I came to the conclusion that it was mearly an observation as to why you were confused by the word when applied to line counters.
I did however think something totally different the first time I read it. Here's the thought that crossed my mind initially "Wow, why do I ever try to help?" After thinking about it for a minute I decided it was probably more of a question than a statement. You can tell that this isn't an isolated incident when Dennis puts a response out. He's usually about the most level headed guy out there.
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