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butch
Posted 10/20/2006 3:21 PM (#48363)
Subject: big head carp, what's for dinner????


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Fishing for the bottom line
Sellers seek opportunity in rivers teeming with carp
By DAN EGAN
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Posted: Oct. 15, 2006
Chillicothe, Ill. - Arkansas fish farmer Jim Malone has some simple advice for those fretting that the Asian carp invasion raging across the Mississippi River basin will metastasize to the Great Lakes: Stop worrying and start fishing.
"I've never seen a (commercial) fisherman who can't clear out a body of water," said Malone, whose father was an early importer of the filter-feeding bighead and silver carp that have infested waterways across the heart of the continent. "If you put a price tag on it, they can fish out just about anything."
The problem is that price tag. This isn't sea bass or salmon or even catfish. These fish, which bear the unfortunate last name of carp, are species most Americans won't touch with a fork.
When Amy Tucker thinks of the jumping silver carp ravaging the Illinois River north of Peoria, the last thing on her mind, in fact, is dinner. She thinks of bug-eyed beasts flopping into pontoon boats and thrashing themselves into a mess of blood and mucus.
"I'll barely eat salmon," she said with a wince. "Carp? I don't think so."
Illinois fish salesman Steve McNitt has traveled to the other side of the world to try to coax foreign wholesalers into cashing in on the protein explosion that few on this continent can stomach.
McNitt raised lots of eyebrows in China with his tales of U.S. rivers teeming with this untold - and largely unwanted - bounty. The Chinese, after all, actually farm the same fish for their mild, flaky white fillets. But McNitt didn't fly home with a contract.
"There's all kinds of action, but I can't get the numbers right," he said one July afternoon, sitting in an air-conditioned office inside an otherwise steamy Schafer Fisheries fish processing plant in the Mississippi River town of Thomson, Ill.
McNitt said the Chinese fish buyers will pay a maximum of about 45 cents a pound for the carp, while his costs total about 30 cents a pound to buy, gut, freeze and box them. That leaves him around 15 cents a pound to ship them to China in refrigerated containers, and pay taxes.
Somewhere in there he's got to find a paycheck, and he's not finding one worth cashing.
"What they're willing to pay, and what I can get them for," he said, "it just doesn't work out."
The result is that America's grandest river system is bursting with fish that are to a large extent the aquatic and commercial equivalent of a swarm of locusts.
The fish, now found in at least 23 states, have yet to spill from the Mississippi River basin into the Great Lakes.
But it may be only a matter of time.
MARKETING PROBLEM
GREAT FLAVOR, BAD NAME
Orion Briney has become something of a mythical figure on the Illinois River. The 47-year-old has become the face of an industry that doesn't really exist. Yet.
He makes a decent living netting bighead carp, which he sells to McNitt for 18 cents a pound. McNitt guts those fish and ships them in refrigerated trucks to the East and West coasts, where there is a tiny market for them in Asian communities.
Briney is now a media magnet for his uncanny ability to land mountains of trophy-sized carp with his specially built skiff, the scale of which is so outrageously big that it appears, from the shore, as if a toddler has commandeered a common-sized boat. But it's super-sized for a reason; Briney can catch 15,000 pounds of bighead in his nets. Not in one day. In 25 minutes.
A little perspective: Wisconsin's 2005 quota for commercial perch fishing on all the state waters of Lake Michigan was 20,000 pounds. Not in one day. In the entire year.
McNitt said tales of Briney's prowess have so enthralled commercial fishermen from around the country that he gets calls almost every day from places as far away as Alaska.
"Is it true?" they ask, wanting to know how they can cash in on the action.
McNitt tells them yes, the number of Asian carp in the Illinois River is unfathomable. But don't bother coming.
"Don't sell your house and move," he tells them. "We don't have the market yet."
McNitt buys about 32,000 pounds of bighead a week, enough to keep Briney and a couple of other part-timers on the river for typically two days a week.
He said he'll perhaps double the volume of bighead he buys in the winter months, when more people are inclined to use the fish for soups. He said his job now is to figure out how to get America to start eating what it considers nothing more than natural trash.
The marketing problem has more to do with perception than palates, said U.S. Geological Survey biologist Duane Chapman.
"The flesh is excellent. It's very cod-like," said Chapman, who keeps about 30 pounds of bighead fillets stocked in his freezer. He and his three kids eat it about once a week. They sizzle it on the grill, douse it with curry, wrap it in fajitas, scoop it chilled as ceviche.
Chapman isn't alone in his rosy assessment of the flesh.
"It's got a great flavor and an excellent texture," said Dan Smith, chef at Milwaukee's Envoy restaurant in the Ambassador Hotel.
Smith, who tinkered with some bighead and silver carp fillets at the request of the Journal Sentinel, was particularly pleased with how well they worked in a classic Friday night fish fry recipe.
"It was really, really, really good," he said. But he doesn't see carp landing on his menu anytime soon. "People are still afraid of the name."
Yet Chapman said bighead and silver carp are especially safe to eat. Unlike their cousin, the common carp, they don't make their living in the often-contaminated muck on a river bottom, but instead use their open mouths and filtering gills to strip plankton from the water. And because they don't feast on smaller fish, toxins such as mercury and PCBs don't work their way up the food chain and into their flesh.
"They grow fast, which also keeps contaminants from storing up, and while they do have a hefty amount of fat, which can trap contaminants, that fat is easily stripped away during the cleaning," Chapman said.
If a body of water is clean enough to make other fish species safe to eat, Chapman said, you typically "don't need to worry about eating these fish."
Fisheries biologist Robert Glennon, who works for the Arkansas fish farming family that initially brought in the silver and bighead carp to the U.S., sees the infestation as unfortunate, but not without an upside for a river system whose native species have been struggling for more than a century.
"If you can cut it up and eat it, it's a fisheries resource," he said. "We should feel fortunate we have this abundance."
McNitt is thinking the trick to capitalizing on this alleged bounty is to convert it into fish sticks and fish patties, and he's hoping a state grant will come through for his company to purchase a machine to do the processing.
"We're going to have to get cracking. We have to mince this fish and brand it," he said. "Even in the U.S. there is a huge need for cheap protein."
There is another fish processor in Illinois buying Asian carp seasonally, but competition could be coming.
A South Carolina firm is planning to recruit an entire fleet of fishing vessels to begin harvesting the bighead and silver carp in Illinois.
Jim Sneed, president of Carp Protein Products Ltd., landed a $100,000 grant from Illinois to evaluate markets for the fish, and hopes to soon have up to 100 employees catching, processing and selling them.
"You hear all these negative things, but they're impressive. They lay a lot of eggs and grow fast," he said. "It presents an economic opportunity that is unprecedented in these waters."
Sneed doesn't look at the carp as fish, he looks at them as protein, and that is how he plans to market them.
He said the fish will be converted into different types of food, fertilizers and other protein-based, non-food products, though he is coy about what those will be.
"I don't think there is any product we're conceiving that would be called carp anything," he said.
CORRALLING CARP
FISHING LIKE A COWBOY
For now, the business belongs largely to Briney, who fishes like a cowboy, using his boat and rumbling 300 horsepower motor to herd the schooling bighead.
"See that big wave?" he asks a passenger who can see only a patch of choppy water as dawn cracks over a black, forested horizon. "I'll bet there is 400,000 to 500,000 pounds in there!"
He arcs his boat toward the fish, then swoops down behind them, chasing the thrashing mass into the nets.
Briney has no interest in the silver carp flying about the boat - and his head. He's after bighead, a tastier and less bony fish that doesn't usually jump.
It takes all of 25 minutes to round up more than 13,000 pounds of fish. It'll take him and his stepson the next 3 1/2 hours to pluck them one by one out of 800 yards of net.
Briney guesses the biggest weigh nearly 40 pounds, monsters that lurk so low in the murky water they're rarely seen.
"Most people don't even know them's here," Briney said as he piled his writhing quarry on the boat floor. "They just see the silvers jumping."
By midmorning the boat is so loaded with fish that it floats less than 2 inches above the water, down from the 30 inches of clearance when empty.
The fish are covered with 2,500 pounds of ice, then the cooler that held the ice is filled with more fish to make the most of every available inch of cargo space.
By 9:45 a.m., the 6 1/2 tons of slimy flesh are covered with ice and a burlap tarp, and Briney begins to pick his way back to the boat ramp several miles upriver.
Even at this putt-putt speed, the jumping silver carp in the river pose enough of a hazard that he tells a passenger to hide behind the cooler, hunch over and cover his kidneys - a favorite target.
Briney, who has to keep an eye on the river, guards his face with his Popeye-sized forearms.
After the boat slips through the pocket of flying carp, it picks up enough speed that even the smallest waves - especially from passing boats - start to crash over the bow.
Briney orders his partner to begin bailing water that has turned pink from the fish blood pooled on the boat floor.
By 10:30 he is on the road, trailing the boat still loaded with carp two hours north to the Schafer Fisheries processing plant. The day is hot and the ice is melting and the boat drain drips bloody water the whole way, enough to constantly splatter the windshield of a trailing car.
Briney typically goes after bighead only two days a week, but he said he could make this trip every day - if someone would buy the fish.
Does he see the carp finding a future in the Great Lakes basin next door?
"They'll thrive. There's plenty of food," he said. "They'll love it."
Then he asked, "The lakes are, what, 20, 30 feet deep?"
No. The Great Lakes are hundreds of feet deep.
"Good Lord!" he groaned. "By the time (anyone) knew they had a problem, it'd be too late."
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sworrall
Posted 10/20/2006 8:13 PM (#48369 - in reply to #48363)
Subject: RE: big head carp what for dinner????




Location: Rhinelander
I've heard from some folks who tried the fish canned it's excellent. Keith and I are planning a trip there next year to give 'em a try. I don't judge any food by the wrapper, who'd ever guess a T Bone would taste so good when standing next to a cow?

Here's one for you, ever try a coot breast marinated, rolled in flour and pan fried?
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walleye express
Posted 10/21/2006 8:03 AM (#48376 - in reply to #48369)
Subject: RE: big head carp what for dinner????



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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay.
A couple of ideas come to mind for my planned "BIG HEAD CARP" charters on Saginaw Bay. For one, I better start downsizing my gear and buying spools of 1 pound test line, for when I have to start running plancton on my charters. Or two, modify my liability isurance to cover shotgun use on my boat, for my flying Big Head skeet shoot charter.
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Mark Komo
Posted 10/21/2006 8:38 AM (#48377 - in reply to #48363)
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Location: Orland Park, IL
Sounds like the big heads are tastier than the flying silvers. Was there a discussion around sheepshead too! Being so close to the illinois river, I may have to give this a shot.
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john mannerino
Posted 10/21/2006 7:57 PM (#48389 - in reply to #48377)
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Mark, You take the first bite and if your still here in a couple of days, I`ll try it. And Dan, they love to hit zips,,so that plankton thing is out.
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sworrall
Posted 10/22/2006 9:08 AM (#48396 - in reply to #48389)
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Location: Rhinelander
I think shotgun safaris for Bighead leapers would be a a great way to bone up on the scattergun for ducks and pheasants. Pretty weird deal, leaping fishes everywhere. I didn't know one can catch them too, is it possible to catch any numbers of these very weird fish?
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Smellsfishy
Posted 10/22/2006 12:54 PM (#48398 - in reply to #48363)
Subject: RE: big head carp what for dinner????


I wonder if a cat food company could'nt use them for a new flavor for fluffy?
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Mark Komo
Posted 10/22/2006 7:27 PM (#48402 - in reply to #48363)
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Actually, there is a guy in peorio that did a contract last year for Kraft. Not enough money in it just yet. I think he got about .19 a pound, though not sure. It was a 10,000 lb contract. Filled it in an afternoon.

If the chef from wisco says he it works, then there may be some truth to it. Problem I have is telling the difference between big heads and silver. One flys, one doesnt.

Kinda makes me think about all those fish fries.
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john mannerino
Posted 10/23/2006 4:52 AM (#48407 - in reply to #48402)
Subject: Re: big head carp what for dinner????


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Location: Chicago IL.
Steve. You dont have to catch silvers with hook and line. Just go into a cut or shallow water with your kicker or big motor idleing and they will jump into the boat. Trust me, they scare the #$*& out of you. In the summer months, it`s dangerous to troll the lower end of the starved rock pool. I had one bounce off my shoulder while standing in the boat, then 3 in the boat before I could get out of there. They come out of nowhere and bombard you. Unless something is done , they will take over the river. They own alot of it already.
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sworrall
Posted 10/26/2006 7:41 AM (#48476 - in reply to #48407)
Subject: Re: big head carp what for dinner????




Location: Rhinelander
That sounds pretty crazy, I need to try getting in the middle of a school with the Frabill out and ready and a hard hat.

I spoke with a friend who canned some up, he claims they have a distinct Tuna type flavor.
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john mannerino
Posted 10/27/2006 4:45 AM (#48494 - in reply to #48476)
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It puts a whole new meaning to that commercial," hey fish,,, get in the boat." I have alot of fun when somebody goes out with me that is new to the river, and dont know what to expect.
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