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Location: Rhinelander | Exactly, Tyee, the Cabela's NTC is a PROMOTIONAL VEHICLE. The PWT is a PROMOTIONAL VEHICLE. FLW as well.
Where's the revenue for Cabelas? Where's the revenue for ANY of the circuits?
Irwin doesn't need to 'sell enough Rangers' to invest that type of money. That's chump change for Wal Mart.
When will this sport grow enough for the big money to flow? It's already started, but they have a long way to go. It's a process, not an event. |
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Location: Rockford MN | Wow, thank the good Lord that all I want to do is fish!
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Location: Rhinelander | Gordy, I know what you mean....  |
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| Steve, You missed my point, these promotional vehicles for magazines and boat sales only increase the profit for these circuits and not the participants.
The participants need to go out and get the big dollars. They are the STARS sharing money! They should be using the circuits for their Promotional vehicle!
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Location: Rhinelander | Tyee,
I sure did. And you are right. |
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| Steve, my ego comment was not aimed at anyone in particular and I think you know that. There are ego's involved in every sport, business. etc etc. Please don't misconstrued my words to seem as such.
I agree the Cabela's is a promotional vehicle, in my opinion the NTC is for "Branding" the Cabela's name. That's all they sell is Cabela's. Not tackle, equipment, gear, or anything else. Just Cabela's and Cabela's branded clothing at their event.
I disagree that the PWT is strictly a promotional vehicle, it sure seems like an aweful lot of money changing hands to only break even at best, all to sell a couple hundred magazine subscriptions. For what, the same value as an entry fee or two on the Tour? In my opinion, something don't add up.
Since quote's seem to be "popular" on this thread, let me throw this one out there. "Follow the money" -Rush Limbaugh.
I agree, Gordy, I could sure stand to go fishing.....and yesterday was probably that day "you should of been here yesterday". |
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Location: Rhinelander | The PWT has been exactly that---a promotional vehicle for In Fisherman, Walleye Insider, and In Fisherman TV and the sponsors of all- since it's inception. Give JK a call, he's always happy to talk over the PWT. I'm serious here, Jim is always amazed at folks guessing and postulating about the PWT and making highly debatable assumptions, when all needs be done is pick up the phone and call In Fish, ask for Jim Kalkofen.
Do the math on the money, and then get the trucks, trailers, boats, and necessary people where they need to be. Film each event using several camera crews. Edit and produce the TV program. Pay for the Championship. ETC. Nope, not a cash cow at all. The PWT does a GREAT job executing exactly what it was intended to, and has been a great positive influence on the sport. I'm sure all the circuits wish there was more income available, and that millions could be made. Think about it, if running a televised Pro Walleye Circuit was so lucrative, why has not some savvy businessman not attached at the hip to this industry simply set up a competitive circuit and raked in the money?
The original concept of the MWC---then called the Manufacturers Walleye Council-- was to promote the sponsor's wares, grow the sport, and expand the available markets for the sponsor's products as a result. OF COURSE IT'S ABOUT THE MONEY....but a different methodology than most think at first glance.
Tyee actually said it, the Pros need to capitalize on every opportunity and in fact create and build upon their own opportunities above and beyond the considerable exposure the Circuits provide, and see to it the brand- that- is- the- Pro's- Image is marketed. Since this is a pay to play sport (As Zach said, more a parallel to Golf than other Pro sports), the money to get that done has to be personal funds or Sponsor money. If the Pro simply goes fishing, the Sponsor's not getting any more out of the dollars spent than the exposure that Pro gets on the media at the events. If that Pro doesn't strongly encourage the media to point their collective lens his/her way, the return for both that Pro and his sponsors will not be as great as it could be. What Pros would you list as being successful at this? Why? How did they become household names in the Walleye trade, even off the Trails and separate from competition?
Thanks for the clarification on the ego thing. We try very hard to encourage a good debate but are very careful to keep it on topic and clean. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | If only my fingers would allow me to respond to the promotional vehicle comments...oh well. |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | For the record I have attended 2 FLW Championships and 1 PWT Championships. I attended all 3 days in madison and watched from the VIP Seating, and all day from the vendor fair. I have attended PWT weigh ins since bay city michigan in 1990 when Vaughn Cornelius won and so many along the way I lose track. I have seen the weigh ins from every major circuit and local event there is. In 1987 I believe I was at the weigh ins for the MWC, it was still the manufacturers at that time, in spring valley as well as saginaw.
I think I do know a bit of what I speak of, WHY? Because I attended as a fan.
I would like to bow out of this conversation. I believe this is a no win situation over the status que. When we talk of new ways the fans would like to see things we are told that it cannot happen that way. It has never been done like that so it cannot be done. I see the wall being built.
Thanks for the conversation all, I had fun. I hope that some of what we have suggested gets to the leaders and they listen to the fans.
Denny Fox
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Location: Rhinelander | What wall, Denny? The answers you got might be what's reality now, and why, but aren't written in stone by any means. The Championships and qualifiers have come a long way in the last few years, and that's an indication of forward movement. The PWT and FLW will now get us the contestant list well in advance, and that's forward movement.
As I said earlier, pick up the phone and call JK. He's usually available, and more than willing to talk tournaments for a while. Same with Mr. Reynolds, both are very easy to get along with and accessible to the public.
An answer from you, me, Tyee, Jayman, or anyone as to why a concept or ideashould be or hasn't been undertaken YET shoudn't be intended as a personal affront or 'wall building' effort to ANYONE, usually it's just the fact of the matter at hand according to the source. It's important to set aside inaccurate concepts/misconceptions in debate like this; we've done our best toward that end working from conversations with the tournament directors and sponsors. That way, we can talk within reason as to what might actually be done to improve the Pro Walleye Fan's experience.
The key to debates like this bearing positive fruit is in everyone staying to topic and out of personal bickering. I think most of this thread has done just that.
Changes will occur, but as I believe has been said, it's a process, not an event. WalleyeFIRST added this thread to your original, and I'm glad we did, the discussion has been pretty good.
Your commentary has driven a fair portion of this discussion, stay on as the season progresses and lets see what else can be improved as a result.
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