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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | Wisconsin Tournament conflicts in Scheduling
I’m curious what the thoughts are with my peers here on WF for the coming tournament season. There seems to be a great deal of tournaments this coming season on the same weekends. There are also some tournaments the weekend before another that would prevent those participating from prefishing for the next tournament. How are you dealing with this? Looks like some tough decisions need to be made. What tournaments are you giving up? What tournaments are do or die tournaments for you?
There are major conflicts.........
May 14 is FLW Green Bay
May 15 is GNWC Petenwell
May 15 is WWA Green Bay
(FOLLOWING WEEKEND IS MWS IN GREEN BAY)
June 4 FLW Wolf River
June 5 GNWC Winnebago
June 5 WWA Winnebago Chain
(A person could easily do 2 of 3)
Sept. 10-11 GNWC Championship Minocqua
Sept. 11 MWS Bay de Noc
Sept. 8-10 FLW Championship, Mississippi River
Doing the GNWC on Petenwell on May 15th means a person needs to give up that weekend for prefishing the MWS the following weekend.
Your thoughts please
Edited by Sunshine 1/13/2005 11:56 AM
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| I think it comes down to fishing one circuit if there is a championship involved. Pick a circuit.
The rest of the events come down to "playing the game". We're all there to take the money at the end of that day. |
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Location: Kaukauna WI | nothing against the GNWC but I will choose both the FLW and MWS over this cuicut myself. |
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Edited by stacker 1/12/2005 6:03 PM
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| I can tell you from a misplaced Wisconsin tournmnet guy now in Michigan I wish Michigan had a couple of tours to choose from. It might bring the price down a little for us weekend guys. No knocks against the MTT it looks like it is run great and fishes some grest water but it is a little pricey for me. I miss the $150.00 - $175.00 tours. |
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| Where on Gods blue earth is there a 150.00 tourney? Based on the number of circuits in WI. Thats a pretty small number of conflicts, Now throw in the "weekend" bar tourneys and it might get to be a bit more confusing! I personally don't think anyone should be able to fish one tourney on a particular body of water and use that as a prefish time for another in the coming days! Makes for a more level playground in my simple mind.
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | Tyee,
You're confusing me....
If I fish the June 4 FLW Wolf River tournament why would it be unfair if I fish the June 5 GNWC Winnebago tournament. Prefishing is Prefishing. What advantage do I have than the guy out there prefishing who is not in the tournamenet?
If you are looking for a $150 tournament enter the 1 day FLW's. $150 entry fee for the boater. Or are you both talking about $150 entry for a team tournament?
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Location: Elgin, Illinois | I thought that the GNWC LaCrosse tournament was on the 17th.... That's what is posted... You have a different source than the posted schedule... |
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Location: Elgin, Illinois | I doubt that I would make the Championship in either the GNWC or the FLW League... certainly not both.... So, I have a plan for the May15th... I'm prefishing Petenwell (I am hoping that some of what I see on the April 23rd tourney will help... then driving over to Green Bay for the meeting and a one nighter and then back to Petenwell after the FLW weighin... A "commuter" fisherman...LOL |
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| It is frustrating for the event organizers and the anglers to have the tournaments fall on the dates they did this year. There are so many circuits and so manylong-standing individual events, it seems to be more difficult each year to avoid conflicts.
In some ways it is nice to have so many good options available, in other ways it is difficult to make a choice. Have a good season in whatever events you choose. Hopefully next year the schedule will fit a little better. |
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| Dennis,
I didn't mean to insinuate that anything is "unfair". I don't like the idea of prefising and competing at the same time. I like the idea of being off the water 24-48 hours prior to a tournament and only allowing 24-48 hours for prefishing. An advantage I see is limited "Networking", and fish remain in their home territories, too name a couple!
Don't get me wrong nothing is "unfair". I see advantages where a guy can reduce his costs and increase his chances with circuits that overlap so close, I just wish the field was a bit more level out there.
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | You are correct that it is great that we have so many choices. As consumers having more options helps everyone. BUT, many of us do 8,10,12,14 tournaments a season. When tournament directors refuse to work together they make us decide and they end up being the losers.
Don't get me wrong, some tournament directors are great at trying to reduce conflicts. They listen to the fisherman and they try to have conversations with other directors. Jim Coon from the Midwest Walleye Series comes to mind. He always seems to have an open ear or pulse to what the fisherman desires and works hard at making it happen. Case in point was when he changed a tournament date this year because of a major conflict. Other tournament directors refuse to work together. When they are approached they say too bad, too sad. This is what we are doing, take it or leave it. That's sad. And ultimately they suffer the most but so do we.
Some tournament dates are written in stone. The Mercury Nationals, Otter Street, the first MWS are examples. I wish more tournaments would have dates that are the same weekend every year. Many conflicts would be taken care of.
I know that this next suggestion may be a DNR issue but if you look at tournament dates many are crammed into the same months and few are during the month of July. As a guide I can tell you July is one of my most productive months. I know the fish and kill idea will come up but why not have at least a couple moved to this month. Look at all of the tournaments that are going to be on Green Bay this spring. Those fish will really be beat up by the time the last tournament gets there. Too bad for the fish and too bad for the tournament guy/gal.
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | tyee - 1/13/2005 8:18 AM
Dennis,
I didn't mean to insinuate that anything is "unfair". I don't like the idea of prefishing and competing at the same time. I like the idea of being off the water 24-48 hours prior to a tournament and only allowing 24-48 hours for prefishing. An advantage I see is limited "Networking", and fish remain in their home territories, too name a couple!
Don't get me wrong nothing is "unfair". I see advantages where a guy can reduce his costs and increase his chances with circuits that overlap so close, I just wish the field was a bit more level out there.
Good Luck
Tyee
Tyee,
I don't want this thread sabotaged (too strong of a word) by an off shoot conversation so you/we may need to start a new one. I'd like this topic to stay as pure as possible 
I'd like you to expound on your ideas though. I'm all ears!
You're suggesting MAJOR rule changes that do not exist today in MOST circuits. Some national tournaments have restricted times for prefishing that are more severe but locally many make you get off the water at around 3-4 pm the day before. No other restricted times. My first thought is that you'll have some boring weigh-ins if you restrict pre-fishing to only 24-48 hours. My guess is that you're looking at the fish and trying to come up with a plan that doesn't beat them up too bad. IS this correct?
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | hgmeyer - 1/13/2005 12:14 AM
I thought that the GNWC LaCrosse tournament was on the 17th.... That's what is posted... You have a different source than the posted schedule...
Sorry Greg and everyone else............. I was looking at my calendar incorrectly. The GNWC LaCrosse tournament is on the 17th and there is no conflict that I am aware of. Sorry for the confusion. I have changed my original post to reflect this .
Thanks for pointing this out.
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| Not really Dennis, I am concerned about the fish definately, but am more concerned about the level of "competition". Case in point, the FLW started a league targeted at weekend Warriors and now seems to contain more "Pro's" who often enter it cheaply to prefish for a more prestigeous events. This takes the competative level away from the Weekend Warrior in my mind.
Many of these smaller circuits are used as stepping stones. There is definately an advantage to the guy that fishes 12-14 weekend warrior tournaments vs. the true weekend warrior without sponsors, and he deffinately pays to play!
Tournament directors are profit centers (with a margin that I would never want) and need to bring in money, they do this the best way they know how. Currently only the big shows are tightening the reins on networking and prefishing, It needs to be carried to the little guys too. Maybe there will be some small weights, and maybe not, But tell that to the guy in Green Lake that walked away with a pretty good check for catching the ONLY fish of the toruney. I'm sure he was pretty excited!
Good Luck
Tyee
Edited by tyee 1/13/2005 3:28 PM
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Location: Union, IL | The FLW Walleye Tour event on Green Bay is May 18 - 21 |
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