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bradley894 |
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Member Posts: 591 Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | thinking about the Merc rumor buy out pwt thing,, got me thinking again of why not more Contingency programs? we all know what the RCL did for ranger sales around here.. in addition to the fact that they build a great product, with toyota in the picture , toyota needs to put out a press release letting us know they will be supporting this program for years to come so we can count on the chance to support them when we make our buying decisions. they also make a great and reliable product.... but why not a fuel sponsor ,,,, a BP gas card or something contingency,,, make sure we all fill up at the BP with proof x amount of fuel for that month instead of accross the street, f what about a major retailer like cabellas , great support for us but id be more willing to order or stop at a store , or go out of the way,, if they would give me a chance to win some cash if i could produce x amount of sales on my credit card, its hard for companies to take the risk and lay out a bunch of cash in sponsorships but if they can do it as a direct result of sales they can track the results... lets face it ... if you were fishing the merc national and you could win an extra 1,000 dollars for the top finish that could produce a reciept of 100 dollars or more in the last 48 hours turned in at the rules meating with your entry,,, everyone would do it.... thats three hundread boats filling up with one brand all week! add it up yourself, i guess my question is why not more of this ,,, hotel chains , how about a place to eat.. and with fuel its not just the gas its the extr 25 bux i spen on bait or snacks smokes and ice,,, where is the marketing... hell ill by skippy peanutbutter all year for a contingency program,,, and a small manditory decal on my rig... what gives? | ||
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| bradley894 |
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Member Posts: 591 Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | this also works on a small scale ,,, i fished the max lure tourny this year... havent gone out of my way yet to buy the product.... some nice stuff they offer and though they cant afford to go nuts with support, most fisherman like myself are appreciative,,,, this winter when im restocking and looking for new things to try and spend money on Macks lure wont be forgottn ,,,,, i wont spend a fortune but i wont forget the support to the tournament fisherman or angler in general that they have given,,, i wont forget about fleet farm and the others when i need to make a purchase either,,,, its not just about the big programs , | ||
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| Mark Komo |
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Member Posts: 1195 Location: Orland Park, IL | Pipe Fried Chicken or Beanstalkers ok by me. Seriously though, I think additional contingencys would be great. But consider this. A lot of co out there didnt like the 1099 and $1000 worth of prizes. | ||
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| Horshak |
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Member Posts: 921 Location: Manitowoc, WI | Brad, if you would like to try some Mack's Lure products, let me know. | ||
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| bradley894 |
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Member Posts: 591 Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | hey some small prizes are fine and yes the 1099 for 1000.00 at retail is not a good program,, a better way would be to offer the gift certificate and a discount to offset the tax loss... the small programs are fine and everyone needs to start somewhere, a small company simply cant play high roller. just seems that the pwt and mwc and such are in competition not togather with anglers , not against but there seems to be a conflict of interest,, both have expenses and it just seems that a sponsor for a cercuit would get more milage if there was a bit more direct support going to the anglers , for instance a sponsor can sponsor the rookie of the year award,,, cool they get there name as a sponsor in a couple articles and on the leaderboard... but for the money spend how much return do they get? | ||
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| tyee |
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| Bradley I think your looking at it wrong? Rather than the tournament directors getting the sponsors why don't the anglers go get them, You'd be better off selling yourself and making the money than having the tournament take a portion! Good luck Tyee | |||
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| GNWC Rookie |
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Member Posts: 625 Location: LaCrosse, WI | Tyee, I don't think he's saying that the anglers shouldn't find their own sponsors. He's suggesting that the tournament organizations offer a different option for potential circuit sponsors. This kind of incentive could generate a bit more of that "instant gratification" feel for the sponsors. Let's use the gas example. If a 100 boat tournament had an incentive for $500 to the top finisher who had reciepts totaling $100 (or more) in the previous 3-4 days, I bet that sponsor would see a bigger percentage of those tournament boats/trucks at their pumps. I personally would continue to fill up at gas stations that sponsored my sport, and I feel others would too. Perhaps that gas station chain won't make 100% of their money back instantly, but they will see a good chunk back right away, and everybody on that circuit will remember their name. They will eventually get that $500 per tournament back by simple return business. I go back to bait shops that were host shops for tournaments that I fished years ago. It would be just as easy to stop at a different one on my way, but I remember the host shop and what I liked about it. Signing companies up for this would be no simple task, but it sounds like a better option for some of those mid sized businesses in tournament heavy areas. | ||
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| tyee |
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Member Posts: 1406 | GNWC I agree 100% on what you are saying but wouldn't that infringe on the other businesses in town that agreed to allow the tourney to come there in the first place. Communities don't fork over 50k for only a select few businesses to profit from. I guess I am just not to fond of of this type of reward system because you had a good finish. I think Irwin ruined it for me a few years back. Good Luck Tyee | ||
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| GNWC Rookie |
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Member Posts: 625 Location: LaCrosse, WI | I guess I keep thinking more of the smaller to mid sized circuits. I think more along the lines of the FLW League, the MWS etc... I think that the PWT, MWC and FLW Tour probably aren't the place for this type of sponsorship. It's also not where businesses would see the best bang for their buck. I think these types of incentives are best aimed at the weekend warrior and the anglers who live in the heavily fished areas. This is also the kind of incentive that would help draw to a circuit. How about a random drawing for the teams that had the $100+ in receipts. Instead of doing a $500 do two $250 drawings or 5 $100 drawings. There are a lot of anglers out there who are good but are not the top of the class who would love this. To me, those are the anglers that really need to be kept. They are the ones who will get frustrated and leave the game. Those who always seem to finish high will either leave for bigger and better things or stay around and enjoy the rewards they allready get. One of the funny things I've heard at some league events, is some guys talking about how they won the GPS in the raffle (which they paid to enter) and how it made the tourney worth it to them. As a boater you pay $300 entry, $25 membership, god only knows how much in gas and lodging, but that $225 GPS made it all worth it. As silly as it may sound, there are a lot of people that feel like they're comming out on top as long as they leave with something. | ||
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| stacker |
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Member Posts: 2445 Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | Who gets paid 50K to bring there show to your town USA? | ||
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| bradley894 |
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Member Posts: 591 Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | thanks guys, just tryin to get some folks thinking of ways to help themselves with sponsors and make there cercuit more attractive.... if i had a connection with a fuel distributor .. i would go to my distributor and work him for a sponsorship,,,, yes in the form of cash this would help when sending a seasons worth of entry fees in.... CASH is the key word... now he has x amount of dollars that he can spend for advertizing usualy co-opted from the manufacturer of brand x.. because that advertizing dollar is also helping out his aria competitors who sell the same line..... so a program of help for an angler can be combined with help for the other 100 anglers in the form of cash or gas cards or something given away at the tournament ,, you take this prize donated by your sponsor, cash or other to the director and put it into the payout schedual and yes you can base it on participation like toyota or merc or ranger... now the person or sponsor is not just getting a sticker on your boat but it is attractive enough that all the participants take advantage of it.... and maybe a small decal gets placed on all boats who want to participate... he is getting far greator bang for the buck and far more participation.. and also a pile of buisness from the participants and would have his return on his investment.... thanks for the responses ,,, i just wanted to get everyone thinking,,, many of us know people in the position to make decisions on advertizing budgets, with a program that can be monitored by the sponsored angler and passed on to his fellow participants and prefered cercuit mws mwc pwt whatever.... it will help us all..... you have to think about what you can do to make it worth it fo this sponsor to drop some cash on you , but use the group of anglers as a sales tool ,remember if he(the sponsor) has spare cash to write off he is leasing a new suv for his wife or supporting his son in laws dirt track dreams.... there are a tone of people begging for money.... but what is going to make hime money? thats the trick and how can we help... the key word WE! and this will help YOU . lets face it , if i go back to my sponsor with 5,000 dollars worth of reciepts from fellow compettors with there name and addresses on them of the buisness they did as a direct result of my sponsors investment ,,, dump the box out on his desk with a notebook of where his money went example 2,500.00 to me and my expenses and 4-500 dollar contingency checks to the top finishers in each tornament and a list of 100 teams two hundread fisherman and there family members getting introduced the this guys product ,, in addition a 500 dollar check to the tournament director so he can put there product logo on all printed materials. you put up the banner on sight and take care of your own sponsors registration box for reciepts.. he will look at your program and say money well spent... and you will be set up for another year.. in the form of fuel ,,,, a household for one fisherman spends enough ,,, much less 200 fisherman and there familys,, make sure all angers save all reciepts. im sure if it was a BP for fuel or something or even a subway restaurants , something with multiple outlets , 5000 in reciepts could turn into way way more... and your sponsorship cash for the next year would increase also.... remember anglers need a reason to save receipts... have a drawing at the end of the year with a reciept pulled with the name of the angler on the back... more reciepts turned in , the more chances to win... we want them all... from the intire household... also a servey filled out by each angler , more stuff to turn in at the end of the year so the sponsor can take it to powers that be and use it when he has to explain how the money was spent to his boss if there is one.... letters need to be writtin thankyou and i buy brand x because of the support given to this fishing program.. by all the guys you can at the end of the year.... the whole goal is to turn a small sponsor into a Major one..... and when you go shake down new potential sponsors, you can say this is what i do for this guy,,,,, this is how it worked for him last year.... and this is how we can make something similar work for you mr. bigshooter... agian just trying to get the wheels turning... if 20 boats come in with nice idias in your circuit and at the end of the year you in adition to the tournament winnings if any,, can take home 500 from a fuel contingency and 200 from a subway restarant , and 500 from hotel x and 5 flats of crawlers.... and another 500 from an energizer batarie or 500 from a gander mountain or Fleet farm or cabellas, cash or gift card ,, heck a piggley wiggley,,, this has a direct result on you expenses for the year... it adds up... | ||
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| bradley894 |
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Member Posts: 591 Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | the reason brand x cercuit would get a town to pay 50 k to show up would be the fact that 100 boats at 1000 dollars in local expenses /boat will be spent,,, instant revinue spent localy,,, lets not forget the amitors spend alot too if its a pro am,,, another 100 or more people in town,,, and then the after affect of showcasing that fishery as a destination for many,,, notice as fisherman we refer to our fishing destinations as Budett, port clinton, ortonville , menomonee, mobridge, molene , isnt that something,, | ||
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| Shep |
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Member Posts: 3899 | Yes, and Bago, and Poygan, and the Fox, and.....hehehe You mean Black Otter Lake in Hortonville? Only lake in Outagamie County. | ||
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| tyee |
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Member Posts: 1406 | Hahaha, Aren't there 2 gas stations in Hortonville? I bet Mike would get pretty po'ed if The Chamber forked out a ton of money to have the directors hand out incentives to pump all their gas at his competitors! Wouldn't it be nicer to have the gas station have his sponsored fisherperson on site for a few hours signing autographs and teaching kids how to catch fish, promoting himself. Better yet both stations could have a guy show up, and for that mater every business in town could have someone show up and do this at different scheduled intervals instead of allowing prefishing. That would bring in revenue! Although I don't know if there would be enough contestants to support all the taverns in Hortonville! .....Denny you think 50k is a lot of money? What do you think the city Kissimmee FL is paying to have the 2008 BASS championship if you think 50k is expensive for a walleye tourney. Good Luck Tyee | ||
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| bradley894 |
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Member Posts: 591 Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | no no not one crummy gas station silly men.... a chain... that we take our buisness too all year.. we dont want gas lines a mile long at joe bucks filling station the night before an event.... price fixing and all... they would be out of pork rhines in an hour with you guys all pulling in... | ||
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| stacker |
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Member Posts: 2445 Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | tyee - 9/27/2007 4:02 PM Hahaha, Aren't there 2 gas stations in Hortonville? I bet Mike would get pretty .....Denny you think 50k is a lot of money? What do you think the city Kissimmee FL is paying to have the 2008 BASS championship if you think 50k is expensive for a walleye tourney. Good Luck Tyee Tyee, lets not get walleye confused with Bass. BASS has been well rounded over the years and we are still at war with each other in the walleye world. It may take competitive walleye forever to get there act together. Jealousy and greed are firmly in place in the walleye world. I believe communities may pay to get the shows that are playing today but I will go out on a line and state that, "I highly doubt and would not believe that winneconne wisconsin paid the PWT 50k to bring there show to there town." Unquote. Now, you ask if we think its fair that a show would come to town and get paid to do so, and they are promoting one gas station line and not the others, even though the others are members of the chamber, and they helped pay to get the tour to come to that town. Hold on tight to your hat but B.P. holds that in the walleye world and Citgo has it in the bass world. When someone comes to winneconne they have boat sponsors and there are members of the chamber that sell boats but not the sponsored ones. Stop and think for a moment. Not allow pre-fishing? Yep, thats a sure way to make sure that 100 bucks a day per contestant, or more, does not get spent each and every day in the city that paid to have there tour show there. Thats makes good sense. Don't worry, the bikers in hortonville would not allow the fisherman to sit down anyhow, they will keep the taverns alive and well. | ||
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| tyee |
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Member Posts: 1406 | Well stop the war and follow the leaders! I don't know what your quote is about and never said anything about Winneconne and I'm not going to elaborate further other than to say 50k is not uncommon.......especially in the Bass World....Oh and your quote......"doubt" means your paraphrasing someone that doesn't know any better!.....but then again maybe we need to sit down in one of those famous taverns in Horneyville together and solve the worlds problems! Good Luck Tyee | ||
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| stacker |
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Member Posts: 2445 Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | Maybe I am tired or just cannot read well, but I am having a hard time comprehending your answer. I guess I will just drop this, call you the winner, and let everyone think that towns pay 50K to get a show in there towns. I guess I don't have facts that say that they don't pay that much and you insinuate that you do have proof but won't show. I will agree to disagree. | ||
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