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| i've been using it for a few years now for jigging, casting, pretty much everything. sometimes with a few foot of leader, sometimes without. great feel, durable, and all the other positive's most mention. mainly when i'm jigging, it seems like i've lost more fish than normal after i hook into them...as i'm fighing them. maybe i'm just overthinking and would of lost them on mono. i've tried lightening the drag, and usually have a fairly long leader on there (couple feet). thinking of going back to mono. anybody seem to have similiar results? |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | your drag is set to loose and you are not driving the hook home. Get rid of the leader IMHO. It does nothing for you unless it is ultra clear water and I still have never been out fished by someone who uses a leader. I tie direct to flame green line. Your drag needs to slip just a bit when your rod is at full bend on a hook set. |
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| maybe. i'll keep that in mind. almost try to sally it as i'm always thinking no stretch, light hookset. i've caught plenty of fish on it and think the sensitivity is great but lost a few that made me scratch my head and think how the #&%@ did i lose that one. i kept pressure on it, it was taking some drag but coming up slowly. angers me as they felt like they had some weight. as far as a leader, i'm not really sold on the visibility of 10lb/2lb diamater power pro under water. i can barely see it above water. i more so use the leader to snap jigs off easier when i'm snagged. |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | CPT R - 4/29/2011 3:06 PM
maybe. i'll keep that in mind. almost try to sally it as i'm always thinking no stretch, light hookset. i've caught plenty of fish on it and think the sensitivity is great but lost a few that made me scratch my head and think how the #&%@ did i lose that one. i kept pressure on it, it was taking some drag but coming up slowly. angers me as they felt like they had some weight. as far as a leader, i'm not really sold on the visibility of 10lb/2lb diamater power pro under water. i can barely see it above water. i more so use the leader to snap jigs off easier when i'm snagged.
That is most people thoughts, there is no stretch in the line so I have to take it easy. To compensate for the no stretch you have a drag, lighten it just a tad over mono. No sallys, snap the rod and use the no stretch feature to impale the fish on the hook much deeper than mono can. Remember, the bigger the fish, the more bone you are driving the hook into. sharp hooks, quick wrists, good hook ups.
Also, one of the qualities of braided is the ability to straighten the hooks out in a snag and not go through nearly as many jigs. Use a leader and that quality gets flushed down the toilet. Just remember to grab the spool on a snag and not the line, it will cut you to the bone, and it always burns.
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Location: Berlin | YES YES YES I have had the same feelings and I will tell you what I learned.
I try to vary my hookset depending on how much line is out, the amount of bow in my line and also by the bite itself. When you get the big thunk (us jiggers love) you need to drive it home. When the bite is mushy you need to soften up a little or you will rip the hook right out or make the opening large enough for the hook to drop out while fighting.
I also found that the rod action needs to be lightened up when going from mono. I used to use medium heavy with mono and it was perfect due to the stretch of the line. With braid medium light is the way to go. Keep the drag the same. Walleyes are known for the head shake and not having the rod loaded with braid can generate almost slack line during the head shake. The medium light is bent over with braid eliminating this.
Last thing when fighting the fish is to never change the angle of the line. This is why you see bass guys going around the boat sometimes while fighting the fish. When you swing the pole the opposite direction while fighting it changes the angle to the hook. Pay close attention to this and you will see how often this happens. We use anchors a lot and sometimes we have to change angles to stay out of the ropes but it scares the crap out of me. Of the fish we lose, 90% of the time it comes on the angle change.
I would ditch the leader. It is necessary in some presentations but not in jigging from what we have seen. It is just one more connection point that can fail.
I like the 8-10lb power pro or 6lb crystal. |
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Location: Berlin | I will add that sometimes when using a crankbait you can change the angle of the line on purpose to try to get the front hooks buried when it is only hooked on the back hooks. I have played with this and found it to be more risk then reward but it is cool when you hook the front up just as the back are coming unglued. With enough practice maybe but I am not good enough at this point. |
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| i never ran across the problem casting, just jigging. usually using a baitcaster when i'm casting and more so horse them in. i agree with the braid straightening out the jigs, I mostly tie it direct. but as most i get it in my head that a walleye can see 2lb diameter line even though i can't above water and tie a leader on. and the whole no stretch thing. i use a ML and MXF. to me both seen to have enough whip in them to cushion the blow from a hookset on braided. after reading some of the posts, i think i'm being too much of a sally and need to drive that jig a little more. fishing boats departing in 5 hours, hopefully get a few on before the 30MPH winds start in the beautiful state of IL. thanks for the replies, keep em coming. |
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| I really enjoy Fireline for jigging and trolling unless I am fishing really big fish. |
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| I have one rod/reel set up using 8# Fireline in flame green. I characteristically do tie on about a five foot fluorocarbon leader. Over the past several years, this has been 8# Stren fluorocarbon. I seldom lose a fish and I credit this to the rod, a Gary Roach "Pulse" 5' 9" medium light jigging rod. The rod dates back to 1999. I bought a 2nd one after finding out just how much I liked this rod. At one time I also had the 6' 2" version but I broke that one, no fault of the rod. I bought additional 5' 9" Pulse rods so that I could give one to my brother and one to my nephew. My brother and my nephew both love the ones I gave them too. I keep the drag probably a hair loose so that if I do a hookset, I sometimes will get a bit of drag slippage. I don't mind this.
It is a real shame that Berkley no longer makes this rod because it would be one I would recommend to anyone wanting to fish with braid, either Fireline or Power Pro. My tournament partner and I were prefishing on a small Indiana lake by Bremen, IN last Friday trying to locate walleyes in preparation for Saturday's tournament. Neither of us caught a walleye when prefishing, but near the end of our day, I felt a little thunk on a 3/16 jig with a white 3" twister tail. Turned out to be a 24+ pound muskie. The "Pulse" rod was put to the test and since I had the fish hooked just in the front jaw, his teeth couldn't get to the line to cut it.
The two rods seen in the one picture are additional rods I took along, one a St Croix and the other a new Loomis 6' 10" which never saw action that day.
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Location: Berlin | That is some good fertilizer right there! |
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| This is just my opinion, but has worked for me. Tighten the drag almost as tight as it can go, braid is tough line and 99% of the fish that we catch wil not break it. Why give a fish a chance to run, get him in the boat as soon as you can. I have used all the braids out there just about, and I can tell you from my experience, that the New Suffix 832 is unbelievable in strength and knot tying ability. Beats the others hands down in my opinion. I use 6lb test and am amazed at the strength. The only draw back to the line is if you get yourself into a real snag and can't get out, better have a knife or snippers.
Stacker is right, never wrap braid around your arm or try and break it with your hand, you are just asking for trouble. |
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| nice fish rodholder! i know the lake you speak of. didn't realize they stocked it with skis too. |
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| Skip the leader. waste of time. I tighten the drag down hard on everything... I backreel with a spinning reel, and use my thumb with a baitcaster. if your using lightweight braid, tie good knots! check for frays too. nice easy hookset is all it takes... |
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| anyone using the new Suffix 832? I love it. How about you guys using the new Berkley? |
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Location: Berlin | I just looked at the Suffix 832 and it looks like the coating retains some memory. Other then that it looked great. |
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As I have said in my earlier post, the new Sufix 832 is unbeleivable, not sure why you would think it retains memory. It does not at all. I have fireline on one of my other reels, and it too will have Sufix 832. No comparison between fireline and Sufix 832 in my opinion, here is why I say that, Fireline is good line, but it retains memory as was proven on Sat. with my son. I gave him my pole with Sufix on it, which I had been using most of the day, (he didn't get out til later in the day) and the line went straight down vertical jigging with it. I switched to another pole with Fireline on it and it was all coiled gooing down, not good for finding bottom when you are vertical jigging. And the Sifix in as strong or stronger then anything out there. This is just my opinion, and everyone has there own taste. |
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Location: Berlin | I just crimped the tag sticking out of the box and it retained it shape. It might be like Power Pro and loosen up after a few casts. Fireline takes longer for the coating to limber. I would like something more hi-vis and limber right out of the box. Going by your recommendation I will spool some up and post a review. |
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| Rich, I have 2 Stradics on 6 foot jig sticks that I have used all year so far with 832 on them. One has over 300 walleyes on it and the other over 1000 mainly vertical jigging and many over 3#. I am thouroughly thrilled with this line having used Power pro and fire line in years past. The Suffix 832 is in my opinion, "Waterproof". No more water flying off the spool while reeling in, Also no more water "hanging" on the line when you are pitching and lifting jigs. As for memory I don't see it, might be that the 32 weaves per inch prevent that. It also casts farther than anything else I have used because it is so smooth.
PS......I can't wait to throw my Musky baits with it this year!
Berkley has a new one comming too. Anyone using it yet?
Good Luck
Tyee
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