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| He certainly set the bar pretty high when he founded In Fisherman. |
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Location: Appleton wi | Its always nice reading these post late anight or early in the morning before work. By the way fishing has been decent and there's alot of nice walleyes being caught  |
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| First of all I admire Lindner for his talent, christian views, and his place in this sport. Yes he has vastly more knowledge than I with regards to fishing and that is exactly why when he mentioned eliminating live bait in a very blunt manner he knew exactly what he was doing and that it was going to cause a stir and this is proof right here on this little site.
Next, he did mention AIM, and the fact that this huge icon in this sport just mentioned AIM is a plug for it whether officially supporting or not.
Lastly advertisement and use of commercial products is the primary way his shows and magazines can continue and his endorsement of their products is huge for them, therefore despite whether or not he is wealthy the fact is that is how he got wealthy. Don't try to tell me he isn't thinking about that when he speaks, get real he knows where his "bread is buttered".
Now let me make this clear, I never said Lindner should not of said it, I just think it was purposely done to generate this type of debate. Course once again questioning anyone who is popular in this business is NO-No on this site. |
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Location: Rhinelander | Questioning Al Lindneror anyone, popular or unpopular, is fine anywhere IMO if done with due respect.
Back to the point:
You didn't say Al knew he was 'going to cause a stir', you said his comments were 'inflammatory and unhelpful'.
To the 'plug':
He 'mentioned' the FLW Tour, MWC, and AIM, and commented on each as it was his topic to speak to competitive angling and fishing in general in the Walleye World. it should be no surprise he supports and even participates competitive angling fro Bass, Muskies, and Walleyes; he flew in from California where he was prefishing Bass Events with his son. If he offered a 'plug' for anything it was for the Pros to re invigorate the Sport in this down economy and continue fishing all the events from all the circuits they can, promoting the sport in a constructive and well coordinated manner.
Yes, there is a bit of sensitivity to keep the discussion here civil and respectful to and for everyone. The Why of that will be obvious to you if one looks elsewhere for a similar discussion.
By the way, debate like this is a good thing, and is in no way a 'no-no'. I countered your points offering facts and information supporting my position. You countered again, softening your position somewhat and better describing your original intent, and I counter again, offering more information; that's classic debate. I'd say that's positive content here. |
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| I agree, I guess that is the biggest problem with this type of venue, we tend to read with a critical eye, and I need to keep that in mind as I choose my words. |
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Location: Chicago IL. | I belive he mentioned all tournament fishing and all trails. Sorry I started a crap storm. I didnt remember this topic was up last August. I was just tring to have some friendly debate on live bait,crossing state lines and trying to stop VHS from spreading, not tring to put any bait shop out of biz by any means. The average weekend angler looks at tourneys on tv, is at the weighins, and wants to know how the fish were caught. For example, I wonder how many sexy shads were sold after Van Dam won alot of money on them. That is the point that Al Linder was bringing up. Also I agree with Steve, The Linder family dont rely on tackle companys to put food on the table. |
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Location: Rhinelander | john,
Great topic and good to talk about regularly. Thanks for posting the info! |
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| Steve,
You have to get John to tell you the real reason he hates live bait (and pocketknives).... Oh and EMT partners... LOL |
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| John favors the no live bait "rules". Then he'll never have to worry about being stung by another willow cat. |
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| CT - 1/23/2009 8:08 AM
and this is proof right here on this little site.
And we were getting along so well.
Little site? It's these little digs that you keep tossing out there that keep people from warming up to you. You keep saying stuff like that, well, I wonder why you even bother coming to this "little"site. |
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Location: Chicago IL. | Guys I love using willow cats. I just dont touch them anymore. HAHAHA!!!! Bought one of those funnels and my worries are over. The best 3 bucks I ever spent. But to be honest I havent hooked one on in 3 years. I`m not against live bait at all. I use it as much as anybody. |
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| Shep, in your haste to try and make me look bad by using a small snippet of my response you obviously missed the point I was trying to make and that was that Linder's comments were made to stir controversy and it was proven by you and I "debating" right here on this local forum. And the fact that it has only like 2417 registered users does make it little. Sorry to have offended your machismo. |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | CT, I dont think he was making you look bad. In fact, he may have wanted to ask you for more info, such as, what sites should we be looking at that are bigger than WF and can give us more meat on this subject? Now, before you answer, don't go saying walleye central, because everyone here knows of that one, and we know what happens when you try to have a good discussion over there. The fact that you will not register and have an adult conversation with the rest of the guys here, makes me wonder about your intentions. |
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Location: Berlin | I have been on pretty much every (believe me when I say EVERY) fishing and boating website there are. WalleyeFirst is far from little especially when it comes to the amount of info this site has on it compared to the other sites. I am sure CT was not comparing it to other fishing related sites. Of all the adjectives one could use to describe WalleyeFirst, little would not even come to mind.
I also like walleye Central but spend more of my time here. |
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| so how exactly does registering make one an adult and only then have the ability to contribute, and who cares if a site is little or not since really it all depends on perspective and none of that matters. I choose to make my points anonymously for my personal reasons, that doesn't make it more or less of a point. If I was throwing around threats then maybe, but I don't, just make my points and try to debate certain topics. I feel Shep took it out of context and that was why I responded and now I'm not adult cause I don't register and we're debating on if it's a big site or a little site. I bet if you googled fishing forums there are probably hundreds of them for every area in the country and more internationally. I have no agenda, enjoy this site , big or little, mostly because it leans toward an area that is local for me. |
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| Perfect answer. thanks, CT, maybe folks will get your points a bit better now, maybe not, but middle ground is always a good place to meet. |
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| Not trying to make you look bad. Not at all, CT. I took that snippet, because that was just the latest little dig that you toss out there in nearly every previous post. I said exactly what I meant. That it's hard to warm up to you, and read your posts, when you always have to have a dig at someone/something. Just make the point, and be nice about it.
That said, I think live bait will be removed in one of the circuits in the forseeable future.
Edited by Shep 1/27/2009 12:35 PM
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