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Location: Menasha, WI | Fishing tournament organizers will have to buy permits beginning in 2009 under new rules state wildlife officials have approved.
Permits would cost $25 to $200 depending on the tournament's size, format, location and prizes.
Tournament organizers also will need a plan to dispose of dead fish, and the state Department of Natural Resources can impose requirements on participants to limit the spread of aquatic invasive species.
The DNR developed the rules to combat crowding at landings and reduce the number of fish that die in catch-and-release tournaments.
The Natural Resources Board approved the rules unanimously on a voice vote.
http://wkow.madison.com/News/index.php?ID=18465 Background on pages 1-6. New rules begin on page 7. http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/fish/fishingtournaments/FH-22-06_11-7-07.pdf |
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| Page 8, sentence 2. That'll be an issue tournament organizers had better address. If you put a fish in your livewell, it had better count against your limit. |
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| thumper, that has always been the law in WI. Sorting/Culling is illegal in WI and that has not changed!
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| Daily Bag Liit of 3 means per person? Or Boat? |
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Location: Oshkosh, Wisconsin | Bag limit is per person.
This rule does nothing to eliminate post release mortality for most events as most don't allow you to put more than a tournament limit in the boat anyway.
However, it does make it more likely that DNR could ticket you for "group bagging" or possibly for fishing with too many lines.
What a disappointment this rule is. |
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Location: Rhinelander | Basically another tax/fee. Wisconsin is good at that.
All a result of the unfunded mandate by our legislature.
A 6 fish per boat bag isn't a big deal, that's OK.
No scientific reason for this, none. Politics at it's finest. |
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| Yes Steve for sure especially if you consider the politics being done by someone that has to solve issues of the same topic from differeing opinions of those same user groups!
Gonna be real interesting to see who gets what part of the Wolf come spring time!
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Location: Oshkosh, Wisconsin | Just read the part of the rules that regulate events on the Wolf River... seems that only two event per 10 mile segment of river can be held PER MONTH. That is certainly going to create some hard feelings.
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Location: Oshkosh, Wisconsin | ..."politics being done by someone that has to solve issues of the same topic"...
What issues is this solving? The Wolf will still be crowded in the spring and some people will still complain about the tournaments. |
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| Hey Brad, The Wolf is listed as part of the Winnebago system up to the dam at Shawano, so it's all part of the 3,000 available tournament days per month. Only new rules regarding boundaries, fish disposal effect on the resource and other recreational use conflicts will affect whether permits are issued. |
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Location: Appleton wi | Not much of a change for tournaments such as flw league and mws it only a 1 fish less difference in the box but the hard core merc and otter guys its quit a change on keepers . The one thing that rattles me is why wasnt this a state wide vote by the poeple who purchase the right to fish and registered boat owners? Instead it was done by the "committee" .Oh well times are changing and they always say at work change is good. Right? |
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Location: Oshkosh, Wisconsin | Thanks Doc, my bad on that.
20.03 (19) says: "(19) “Lake Winnebago system” means Lakes Buttes des
Morts, Winneconne, Poygan, Winnebago and all their tributaries
from their mouths upstream to the first dam including the Fox
river from Lake Winnebago upstream to the dam above Princeton
and all its tributaries from their mouths upstream to the first dam
and the Wolf river from its mouth upstream to the dam in the city
of Shawano and all its tributaries from their mouths upstream to
the first dam including Cincoe lake, Partridge Crop lake and Partridge
lake in Calumet, Fond du Lac, Green Lake, Marquette, Outagamie,
Shawano, Waupaca, Waushara and Winnebago counties." |
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| My bad guys I read it a bit too fast, had to get back to work. I was wondering how they snuck that one in there on me without seeing it before! either way it's a mess!
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| I'm getting e-mails that say they eliminated the per angler permit sturucture as outlined and they also eliminated the 3 fish limit but left it open enough for them to change it if needed. In addition they opend up the permit application process to 3 years in advance???
I will post the final version when I get it.
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| On page 10 this portion really bothers me! I don't like my 4th amendment rights being violated although I have nothing to hide but our country established these search and seizure laws a long time ago and they have stood up over time!
THIS NEEDS TO BE REMOVED!
(e) For the purpose of enforcing this section, a conservation warden or a representative of the department, upon presentation of his or her credentials or department identification card, is authorized at any time gamefish are possessed during the tournament to open and inspect any live well, holding tank, bag, boat, or other device used to hold or transport fish. (f) No tournament angler, organizer, volunteer or other tournament official may prohibit entry or inspections to be conducted under this section unless a court restrains or enjoins the entry or inspection.
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | Tyee,
I am not siding with the DNR but I was wondering if you could tell me why the areas you mentioned have to be removed? I read them 4 times and wonder what is different from them putting these rules into the tournament rules. They are in the rest of the rules for non tournament guys. The dnr can board your boat at anytime to do a search for illegal possession. |
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| just thought it interesting that it got put in there!
Edited by tyee 1/24/2008 2:38 PM
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| So you're worried about your 4th amendment rights being infringed, which as Denny stated, is not a new thing. Yet you're okay with paying new taxes?
You really make me wonder, Rodger. |
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| I'm more interested in knowing WHY it needs to be in a tournament regulation? Other than to infring on the amount of time my jig is in contact with the bottom of the lake while they search my vessel and possibly letting you slip by me at the scales by a few ounces! As for new "taxes", I see no problem with donating a few more bucks towards the DNR for gathering data that may help them better manage the fishery but as I stated earlier I believe they are taking these "taxes" as you refer to them out of it, as they were writen in there to pay for the studies and the tournament application process! Are you still wondering about me? God I hope not, your wasting valuable time!
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| Why does there need to be any more tournament regulation then there was? it'll all infringe upon my time and yours. You were the one supporting new laws to control "us".
As it has been said many times before, "Becareful what you wish for." You made your bed, now ly in it. |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | I read these rules 5 times now. As a angler and as a promoter. I hate restrictions as a angler, as a promoter, well, it has helped to lighten the load. I mearly tell you about the rule. you do it wrong and i HAVE TO DQ YOU!! or I loose my privlages. simple as that. I think the good tourneys will stay, and the bad tourneys will be released. I really do not see anything in these rules that makes me want to puke on either end as a walleye guy/promoter. Now, if I was a bass guy. pissy for sure.
The extra tax, well, that was coming with all this whining and added work. I do not like it but thats what happens.
HOWEVER, a loop hole may be on the black and white for the fisherman. Page 8 under section 20.05(7) states... any of the following conditions constitutes possession.
#2 placing a fish into a live well except to revive a fish or to avoid imminent boating danger.
Please tell me that anyone could tell me that I cannot put a fish in my well and release at any time i feel it is in good enough shape to go back with his friends? tell me that you would be able to make a decision on the condition of my fish from another boat as I put it in a well. This one seems like they are leaving the door open for culling with out using the words. maybe thats what they wanted?
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| I was wondering how long it would take for someone to see that! Good for you Denny! See Jayman...regulation can be good!
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Tyee
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Location: Port Washington, wisconsin | Boy I don't know. After reading these regulations , is it going to be worth the hassle? Paying the fees will be the easy part. Year in advance notification, Verified working livewells on every boat, parking plans submitted, vhs rules explained and followed thru, not to mention invasive species control, local authorities notified of dates and times. Man! Am I reading this correct? |
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| I've done a bit more digging on the 4th amendment right relating to search and seizure and as it has been explained to me the DNR does not have the right to board my vessel without my permission, he can pull up along side and inspect anything within sight. If he asks and I refuse to allow him in he needs a judge to sign a warrant (with probable cause) before he can board and then I believe on federal waters (ie the wolf river) an authorized coast guard person has to be present to accompany any law enforcement officer or state official into my vessel.
I believe this is why the wording was added in the tournament regulation.
Worth thinking about......maybe?
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| Most of the fish that go in my livewell are in imminent danger 
As for search & seizure, the DNR does not need a warrent to cross your fence line, or to step on your boat. That's one big difference between the police and the DNR. |
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