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| Just wondering if anyone heard the schedule for 2009 |
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| I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. If the MWC can't get anough BIG DOLLAR sponsors to pony up the money to pay for the current FULLTIME director, the MWC is a dead on arrival for 2009. There is no way a smart person is going to run the MWC and not get Paid a fulltime wage and benefit package. This Wall street financial crisis is going to affect the "extra" money stream fast, hard and quick and the way the MWC is funded puts it right smack square on the chopping block of the slash and burn cost chopper accountants. |
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Location: Manitowoc WI | well, so much for optimism  |
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Location: Rhinelander | Can't possibly be that bad, can it? |
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | Steve:
The MWC is alive and well! In fact, I believe that you will be hearing of expanded duties/activities with the organization/ownership.
Someone appears to be venting with a vengeance on personnel. Don't ya' just love the one hit wonders? I'm sure now he/she will go after me because of this post. easy to do when they will not identify themselves. |
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| Bad News Bob...Well that is quite a catchy name given the fact of the rumors you are trying to start. I agree sunshine he probably is one that is disgruntal at the MWC for some reason or another but hey thats his own beef i guess, I won't lose any sleep over it. I would have to say the MWC is alive and well!!
Bad News Bob.....that sounds like a musky lure or something. |
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| I'm not going after anybody. I told you about the current financial realities the entire USA business world is going to be facing in the upcoming future. If you think the MWC is immune, you delude yourself into a state of false sense of security. For a company to fork over the same or increased sponsor money for such a tournament program with such a hard to define return on investment to sales ratio. The MWC sponsor money amounts, I believe, are on the reduction or chopping block as we speak. Any company who is predicting the same or greater sales for 2009 within the fishing industry and boating industry is in a state of complete complete financial buffoonery. When economies slump the first thing consumers cut is extra spending on goods they don't need of which includes boats and fishing equipment. This in turn causes reduction in sales for compaanies which in turn reduces advertising spending.
How many of you financial wizards predicted the PWT going down the tubes?
The reality is most if not all fishing related businesses will undergo a reduction in sales for 2009. If you were predicting your business postion for next year would you cut out or reduce sponsor money for a tournament circuit or start reducing personnel costs through layoffs?
Trust me folks, the sponsor money for tournament circuits gets chopped way before people lose their jobs in the core business. In business it is called running "lean and mean' without frilly expenses with hard to quantify results. Tournament sponsorship always has and will continue to be a frilly expense you do in good times BUT NEVER IN BAD TIMES. When people lose their jobs other people have to work harder to do the jobs left undone by the people who got the ax. If you think a business to going to reduce staff and overwork the remaining workers just to shout, "BUT WE STILL ARE MAJOR SPONSORS OF THE MWC," I've got news for you.
Whistle by the graveyard if you must, but if you think the PWT got chopped in 15 minutes over a business lunch you are sadly mistaken. Somebody just like you knew this was coming but refused to believe it could happen just like the poster is trying to present the position that all is well with the MWC.
All is NOT well financially with MWC and while I can't prove it, the numbers speak for themselves. Not one MWC tournament was gushing with an overflow of entries and somebody is going to have to justify why a company should have to pay the same or more sponsorship dollars next year with less than spectactular results and entries.
If I was a major sponsor of the MWC the conversation would go something like this:
"We can't pay the same sponsor amount as last year for what we thought was expectations not worth what we paid. This is what we are prepared to pay for 2009 MWC support and if that is not satisfactory to the MWC then I guess we will have to withdraw our financial support entirely. Times are tough if the sales department and this is just the way it is."
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| Bry - 9/17/2008 11:10 AM
Just wondering if anyone heard the schedule for 2009
The East is going to have 2 Erie events May in Sandusky and a summer one out of Erie PA. The other is going to be a michigan event,. A little birdy told me. They are wise to keep 2 of the events on Erie expecially where and when the bite is the best PC this year had the best turnout, they need to keep a spring Erie event to keep the entries rolling. |
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| Bad News Bob
Your second post was much more intelligent!! Except the fact you still attack the MWC without having facts!! This is all purely speculation!!!! You bring up economic woes will have a effect. Hello....A majority of buisnesses across the U.S. are being hit hard but its the strong companies that make it through the tough times. I quite honestly I see the MWC as being strong! Maybe your venting on the 900 point drop the dow jones has had the last couple days but to rip on the MWC is ridiculious! Theres plenty of things to rip on out there if you want to vent....Brittney Spears must have done something stupid this week....Hulk Hogan is going through a divorce. Seriously though dude the economic situation is felt across the board and I'm hearing ya on times being tough out there.
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Location: LaCrosse, WI | Times are tough, and sponsorship funding is likely to be reduced, but I see the MWC as one of the survivors that will be most likely to survive. They will probably continue to draw decent fields. Tough times will cause a lot of anglers to partner up to share expenses.
There are a ton of anglers that still want to fish tournaments, and team events may be the only way they can do it. Prize pools may not be as heavy or payouts may not go as deep, but I would fully expect the MWC to make it. If I were to fish tournaments next year, I would fully plan on doing team events especially with the travel involved.
I think gloom and doom is just the popular outlook right now, especially in an election year. I truly feel there's a lot of negativity about everything that's going on just so we can blame one party or another going into November. If you really care about tournament fishing, spend the time trying to come up with plausible solutions instead of starting unwarranted rumors. Also, post your name if you’re so sure of this so we know who to thank for giving us a glimpse into your crystal ball if your prediction becomes a reality.
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | BNB.
Why do you seem to delight so in predicting doom and gloom as well as in other peoples misery and misfortune? Then revel in those facts, if and when they happen. I thought palm readers were supposed to give the poor superstitious slobs good news. I've surmised from bits and pieces you live near me and that we have crossed paths along the way. I think I have figured out just who you are from your first adopted post name, but do not wish to offend this guy by guessing if it isn't you/him. Come on bud. Don't we have enough bad news to contend with?
Edited by walleye express 9/18/2008 2:47 PM
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Location: Rhinelander | The MWC will be just fine for 2009. I made a rhyme! Is that over the line? If so, Bob can whine...or pine, I'm off to dine! |
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| Let me guess sworrall your dining on swine?? |
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| Bad News Bob
Your second post was much more intelligent!! Except the fact you still attack the MWC without having facts!! This is all purely speculation!!!! You bring up economic woes will have a effect. Hello....A majority of buisnesses across the U.S. are being hit hard but its the strong companies that make it through the tough times. I quite honestly I see the MWC as being strong! Maybe your venting on the 900 point drop the dow jones has had the last couple days but to rip on the MWC is ridiculious! Theres plenty of things to rip on out there if you want to vent....Brittney Spears must have done something stupid this week....Hulk Hogan is going through a divorce. Seriously though dude the economic situation is felt across the board and I'm hearing ya on times being tough out there.
Good Luck to ya b-n-b
What you guys fail to think about is my post is MY opinion as it relates to factual current events and the REAL business world of which all sponsored tournament circuits need to exist. I don't attack anybody anymore than you would have predicted the PWT going belly up. My opinion is NOT intended to be news, a rip nor did I intend it to be rumor, doom and gloom or anything between the two. 6 months ago you guys would have said the PWT was the strongest circuit with the most chance of surviving. Mercury pulled out and not one peep out of anybody thinking outside the rosey box about what could possibly happen down the road. The PWT goes belly up and we still have guys sitting around the campfire singing "Cumbaya" and "Michael Row the Boat ashore". Do you think for 1 itty bitty moment a failing organization is going to air their dirty sheets for a concerned public? It just doesn't happen like that in the real world folks.
My opinion on future events may come true or it may not. One factual thing is my opinion is my opinion. I may be missing a few pieces of the puzzle based on the secrecy of the holder of the unknown facts. With the current financial facts I do have, I can put together an pretty good scenario to make a good argument on what MAY happen.
One thing is a FACT. Corporations in the next year are going to scrutinize under a financial microscope EVERY expenditure made to see if this cost is contributing to a bottomline profit picture. The costs which are shakey or non essential WILL BE CHOPPED OUT OR REDUCED LIKE A CANCER.
I challenge ANYBODY on this board to give me a factual dollars and cents actual analysis on how a corporation can FACTUALLY measure the amount to the profit picture a corporate sponsor receives by writing a check to the MWC?
Don't bother to find it because it is NOT there. I have been in the advertising and promotiom business way to long. I know how these people think and when the promo money dries up because sales drop, the hard to quantify effectiveness of expenditures like sponsorships gets thrown out the window in a NEW YORK minute. If you doubt me go study why the PWT went belly up.
On a more understandable note, I just heard a couple months ago GM is chopping its sponsorships to all forms of performance motorcar racing including NASCAR. The GM honcho was quoted saying something along the lines of, "Why do we need to sponsore 12 cars when we could meet our needs with 8 especially with GM's falling sales picture." |
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| Jayman - 9/18/2008 12:15 PM
Talk about credit woes.....you should see my Cabela's credit card...... :)
And we outfitters at Cabela's thank you......... |
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Location: Berlin | Bob,
Can I just ask what the point of your posts are? I just don't see what you are trying to accomplish. The sky is blue, the grass is green and times are tough. I feel like I am watching CNN while reading your posts. I am not trying to knock you just wondering what your point is. Why is pointing out the MWC might not get the sponsor money they once had so important to you?? |
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| I would give you an easy to understand explanation on why I want inform you on how the backroom tournament game works, but the moderator just wants all you "lil people" to talk about lesser important things.
Let me leave you with a question. and then I'm done educating you and many others.
IF a bunch of AIM tournament guys got together in January of 2008 to form another major pro circuit. Do you think they may have known the PWT would NOT be around in 2009? |
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Location: Oshkosh, Wisconsin | "... I'm done educating you and many others."
Oh please BNB, don't go away. The way you use poor grammar and botched punctuation puts an entirely new spin on everything 95% of us already know. I for one feel a lot smarter for having read your posts. Do you offer your latest works in a paperback? Then again, I do struggle with my A_B_C's from time to time. Perhaps you could get a big Hollywood type or other big name to read your work and have a "Book on CD" type of offering. You'll need somebody who really knows how things work that can relate to us "lil people". I can't make up my mind - do you think PeeWee Herman would be the best choice for this or should it be Elmer Fudd? |
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Location: Rhinelander | 'I would give you an easy to understand explanation on why I want inform you on how the backroom tournament game works, but the moderator just wants all you "lil people" to talk about lesser important things.'
What a crock.
First, sure, the AIM folks knew things were dicey in the tournament world, but none...NOT ONE..of them was 'counting' on the PWT closing up this year. Up until the day the decision was made public, the PWT was selecting sites, talking to sponsors, and more for the next year.
Second, most of the Lund/Mercury 'reinvestment' goes directly to the angler, in the form of contingency money.Mike Gofron received about $34,000.00 from his second place finish a week back.
Third, your 'lessons', should you choose to continue to try to offer any, need to be better researched and contain less speculation offered as fact. If you have something of substance to offer, I'm sure we all will take it for what it's worth.
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| Sworral. Don't be so confused. I never once offered anything as FACT. This was my opinion based on my view of the situation. Because you and others don't happen to like it because I thought of writing about it first is irrelevant. I offered my opinion and if you took it as fact I don't consider that my problem. If you wanted to better inform your members, why didn't you offer up some questions such as I have suggested as opinion, Mr Sworral?
The problem with this website and Walleye Central is everybody doesn't want to risk offending somebody when somebody should be asking questions on why "bad stuff" is happening the way it does. The posters never question anything around here on fear somebody might get close to the REAL truth?????
I got REAL close to the truth and the truth stings doesn't it?
The real fact is you and I will never know the entire amount of the check Mercury wrote to the PWT and what ALL the money was REALLY used for do we? I'm not buying the "add-on" money pipe dream either.
QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS. Those nasty pointed Questions.
The questions remains is why did a group of guys get together to form another circuit if they didn't know the PWT was HISTORY. I bet a seagull flew in from Atlantic City and told all these guys. Come on. I wasn't born last night. Somebody is lying and I'm not buying it.
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| NOW....Sworral admits and adds a little tid bit of information previously unknown to the "lil people" that the "AIM folks knew things were dicey?"
Please continue on your explanation on how the AIM folks might have recieved this information by whom , when and by what means?
Who informed you "things" were dicey?
Gee, the more questions I ask the more I get someplace heh?
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Location: Rhinelander | Get you facts straight, and perhaps your opinions may make more sense. As of the very day before the PWT announcement, the PWT staff was preparing straight forward for the 2009 season, including plans for the 2009 Can/Am; In fact, I was going to go north from Dryden and fish with JK for a couple days after he talked to potential Can/AM sponsors, and that trip was ON until the day of the announcement. No one's lying, you just can't stand the idea that there is no conspiracy in play here. Corporate made the decision and announcement in the manner they did for whatever reason, and...there it is.
The answer to your last question is more complicated than just who's running a circuit and who isn't.
Simply put, my understanding from speaking to the the founders of AIM:
AIM offers a completely different perspective of how the Tournaments should be presented to the public, how the sponsors and partners should benefit, and much much more. What I see is a complete paradigm shift in play.
' A little Dicey' as of a year ago by my interpretation..and the concept of AIM has been in play a LOT longer than that.
1) Gasoline prices soar, payouts do not
2) Industry cutbacks are discussed and rumored, some occur
3) Many Pro Anglers are not satisfied with current methodology and seek a future in which they have some modicum of participation.
4) A shift continues and strengthens as to how tournament fishing information and news ( promotion) is effectively delivered to the public, changing the landscape from what has been the standard.
There's alot more, pretty obvious stuff for those in your 'back room', and to most folks here.
Who are these 'lil people' you keep referring to?
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Location: LaCrosse, WI | If you really want to know why they formed the group, just ask some of the top guys. Pat Neu has been pretty vocal about the reasons he was involved. The main reason that most of those guys gave me was, that they felt that an angler owned circuit would be the most beneficial to the anglers. The other reason was that there just wasn't enough options.
There were really only two major pro/am circuits available. AIM would've made 3, but now we're back to two. Remember, this isn't bass fishing where you have hundreds of circuits to choose from, and several top tier circuits. We are very limited in the Walleye world, and these anglers/investors had the forsight to get a new option out there. Do you really think that most of these anglers would've fished the PWT if they knew it could go under half way through the year?
There has been talk of starting this kind of organization for years, and the time was just right for it. The major boom in tourney fishing is gone, but anglers still need somewhere to fish. This also serves as a check/balance system for the FLW.
The last thing the Walleye world needs, is to only have 1 major pro/am circuit out there. These two should balance each other nicely, and offer some options. Hate it all you want, but AIM is one of the two options and that's all you got. |
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